Our president just mentioned he was in a MAC meeting Monday and it looks like we are going to 13 teams. Maybe it is a done deal.

(02-24-2012 05:39 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 05:11 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 04:44 PM)bn9 Wrote:  After being around the MAC for 20 years, here is how I think the buyout will go:

Temple: "We'll give you the $2.5 million that we agreed to, but we want to leave now."
MAC: "You have been nice to us, just go ahead and go, don't worry about the money."

Sadly, I think you're about right.

Say what?

After the MAC negotiates a really nice buyout clause, does one really expect them to give it away?????

Yes, the MAC office just feels special to have been acknowledged by Temple. Why risk hurting their feelings by asking them to actually pay out the clause?

What Bn9 said is funny only because it's true. We are so Busch League.

' Wrote:['emple Owl' pid='7598691' dateline='1330106260']
People are dreaming if you think Temple is going to pay 10 million for exit fees. If anything it will probably max out at around 5 or 6 million. It might even be less if there is a trade for some football and basketball games.

They did not even pay that to get out of the Big East the first time......err...um....oh, we are not talking about.....never mind.

(02-24-2012 11:07 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 11:01 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Yeah, $5MM seems about right with no prior notice being given. As has been pointed out, although that's not a lot of dough when split among all the conference members, but it's a nice "chunk of change" if the conference can just keep it in the bank and use it to help future MAC bowl teams with expenses and minimum ticket purchases, etc. it'd be a good deal.

Season starts in 5 months and conference schedules are set, $10MM minimum and that's not including the A-10. Why do MAC fans have such low expectations? Big East has the problem, not the MAC. Its not on us to accomodate them.

They don't have to buy their way out of the A-10 early. They can wait on that one and enter early for FB only and pay the minimum departure fee to get out of the A-10 later with proper notice. The BE needs a FB team asap not a BB team and Olympic sports teams. If the MAC makes it too expensive to get out the BE will wait for Temple and seek out 6 OOC games even if it means scheduling 2 D1AA teams like FSU did when WV dumped them.

The best thing the MAC can do is to let Temple go for 2.5 - 4 million, schedule with in themselves to makeup a couple of games from Temple's MAC opponents, and make up the difference in games with BE opponents that need games in 2012. If the MAC makes it too expensive and plays hardball rather than reaching a mutually agreeable settlement, Temple will wait the year to cut the exit fee and leave for 2013.

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(02-25-2012 12:35 AM)panite Wrote:  They don't have to buy their way out of the A-10 early. They can wait on that one and enter early for FB only and pay the minimum departure fee to get out of the A-10 later with proper notice. The BE needs a FB team asap not a BB team and Olympic sports teams. If the MAC makes it too expensive to get out the BE will wait for Temple and seek out 6 OOC games even if it means scheduling 2 D1AA teams like FSU did when WV dumped them.

The best thing the MAC can do is to let Temple go for 2.5 - 4 million, schedule with in themselves to makeup a couple of games from Temple's MAC opponents, and make up the difference in games with BE opponents that need games in 2012. If the MAC makes it too expensive and plays hardball rather than reaching a mutually agreeable settlement, Temple will wait the year to cut the exit fee and leave for 2013.

No Thanks, Temple has a 2 season AND 2.5MM exit fee. Let Temple stay 2 years if thats what the MAC office thinks is best for the MAC. We should not be considering the BE and TU at all. Again, Temple and the Big East have the scheduling problem, NOT the MAC. Our schedules are set.

And ENOUGH with the thinking that the Big East could some how "compensate" us with scheduling us. They already do and again, THEY have the scheduling problem, NOT the MAC. They should be pleading with us to schedule them, not the otherway around. The Big East is coming to at least 3 MAC stadiums that I can think of off the top of my head right now this season. They need us way more then we need them.

MAC needs to stand firm, BE and TU are in a position of weakness on this and we owe neither any favors.

Pay the MAC what they demand to let the Big East have TU early (all cash, no scheduling agreements)

or

Default on the contract and roll the dice in litigation.

Those are the ONLY two options for the Big East, its absurd that they think they have any negotiation leverage.

The whole WVU litigation should be the standard on compensation. BE had the 2 year opt out as well. If this goes to the courts and the BE wins then that opens up an appeal by WVU/B12 to get their money back.

If agreement cannot be made, Temple will walk & let courts decide
you only get paid damages, not some pie in the sky figure.
1st step is medator, if no agreement, then it's abartrater
temple leaving does not effect TV money, sch or CCG.
yes Temple liable for sch being rework & keeps BB agreement for 2yrs

now if it goes to arbartration, Temple comes up with #[million]
& MAC comes up with # [7,5 million]. abartrator picks one.
your not getting 7.5 for reworked sch that took a week

(02-25-2012 02:39 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  If agreement cannot be made, Temple will walk & let courts decide
you only get paid damages, not some pie in the sky figure.
1st step is medator, if no agreement, then it's abartrater
temple leaving does not effect TV money, sch or CCG.
yes Temple liable for sch being rework & keeps BB agreement for 2yrs

now if it goes to arbartration, Temple comes up with #[million]
& MAC comes up with # [7,5 million]. abartrator picks one.
your not getting 7.5 for reworked sch that took a week

although your point may be overstated, I do understand it.

MAC must now attempt to replace Temple with team a new team #14 (which is why we have UMass coming on board to be team #14).

That takes a LOT of effort and has been priced in at 2.5M and 2 years (it could well take the MAC 2 years to come up with a new 14th team). There is no guarantee that we'll be successful or at least have a replacement which is comparable to Temple.

Reworking the entire conference schedule is a modest effort.

Once again, MAC has an agreement which sets the parameters. Since the agreement is not sufficient to solve the dispute (the agreement describes a situation which isn't going to happen), I'm sure both parties will negotiate in good faith to come up with the 'right number'.

I would expect it to be 2.5M + a 'penalty' which could be another 2.5M or a bit higher.

The notion of breaking a contract in commercial law is hardly new.

I don't think we'll get much more out of Temple than $3-4 million. Also, if we make them sit out a year or two the Big LEast won't really care to get them, they need them like yesterday to keep their league at 8 teams and maintain the BCS bid. If they weren't so pressured to fit that slot ASAP they would've even be looking to Temple, as they've looked everywhere else and only now came to them at the last minute as as quick fix. It would be nice to see the MAC play hardball, get the proper notice from Temple to leave the MAC in 2 years, get the paycheck for their departure and then have the Big LEast not want them leaving them in limbo once again. It would teach them yet another valuable lesson.

I think this phenomenon of bed jumping with conferences would teach them to come up with better exit strategies. Come up with solid numbers for not just 2-year notice, but also a sliding scale from instant notice to that 2-year timeframe.

That a good point, looking for 14th school does take money & effort, even tough there is entry fee. there would be some liability there.
i'm sure Temple going to argue travell cost, effect on atten

(02-25-2012 02:39 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  If agreement cannot be made, Temple will walk & let courts decide

Problem with that for Temple is that the court of law would accept an injunction forcing Temple to stay in the MAC until a decision is made by the court of law. If that decision drags on as long as WVU/BE did, then Temple might not have that decision in time to join the BE.

(02-24-2012 11:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I wouldn't mind seeing each MAC member get a check for say 250K.

That would pay a emu hEAD fOOTBALL COACH for a entire season.
But it doesn't do a lot of good at University of Toledo.

that was the promblem with BE & WV
Rhode Island judge can not force injuction on school in WV
that why the courts assigned medator & told both parties to work it out

' Wrote:['emple Owl' pid='7598691' dateline='1330106260']
People are dreaming if you think Temple is going to pay 10 million for exit fees. If anything it will probably max out at around 5 or 6 million. It might even be less if there is a trade for some football and basketball games.

Fine.
Then (provided some other league wants Temple) give the MAC your 2 year notice and wait.

(02-24-2012 04:44 PM)bn9 Wrote:  After being around the MAC for 20 years, here is how I think the buyout will go:

Temple: "We'll give you the $2.5 million that we agreed to, but we want to leave now."
MAC: "You have been nice to us, just go ahead and go, don't worry about the money."

Certainly a distinct possibility!

Has there been any new leaks about Temple actually leaving?

The MAC is still telling the schools they (and ESPN) will have a full schedule by the first (full) week of March.

(02-25-2012 09:45 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Has there been any new leaks about Temple actually leaving?

The MAC is still telling the schools they (and ESPN) will have a full schedule by the first (full) week of March.

nothing new... pins and needles from a Temple fans prespective

(02-25-2012 09:04 AM)owen Wrote:  

' Wrote:['emple Owl' pid='7598691' dateline='1330106260']
People are dreaming if you think Temple is going to pay 10 million for exit fees. If anything it will probably max out at around 5 or 6 million. It might even be less if there is a trade for some football and basketball games.

Fine.
Then (provided some other league wants Temple) give the MAC your 2 year notice and wait.

Come on, Temple is ready to move on...

(02-25-2012 08:43 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 02:39 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  If agreement cannot be made, Temple will walk & let courts decide

Problem with that for Temple is that the court of law would accept an injunction forcing Temple to stay in the MAC until a decision is made by the court of law. If that decision drags on as long as WVU/BE did, then Temple might not have that decision in time to join the BE.

Would that be the Federal District Court for (Cleveland)?

Is this where the MAC could file suit?