I've got this crazy notion that some of the teams in the MWC are better than some of the teams in C-USA and some of the teams in C-USA are better than some of the teams in the MWC. Call it a hunch.

(07-05-2011 07:58 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:56 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 06:46 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  So C-USA has a winning record vs. MWC. We must be the better conference.

102 more losses than wins counts as winning record to you huh? Please spin away. How about you rig the numbers so that we only count the games where CUSA is at home or on a certain your were you may have finished with a better record. But never the all encompassing over all record.

MWC team records v. CUSA and win percentages

Against CUSA

AFA - 31-11 (74%)
BSU - 16-2 (89%)
UNM - 47-44-3 (52%)
UNLV - 6-11 (35%)
Fresno - 23-5-1 (81%)
Nevada - 13-11 (54%)
SDSU - 22-9 (71%)
CSU - 30-20 (60%)
WYO - 33-15-1 (68%)
Hawaii - 34-24 (59%)

MWC Total - 255-153-5

The numbers are since conference realignment fool.

fool football didn't start and will not end with the 1998 realignment/BCS. Get out of your little bubble and look at the whole picture. 3-0 is that current enough for you. Oh it doesn't matter because the NCAA doesn't revolve or have anything to do w/ your opinion or your poll.

(07-05-2011 08:01 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:58 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:56 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 06:46 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  So C-USA has a winning record vs. MWC. We must be the better conference.

102 more losses than wins counts as winning record to you huh? Please spin away. How about you rig the numbers so that we only count the games where CUSA is at home or on a certain your were you may have finished with a better record. But never the all encompassing over all record.

MWC team records v. CUSA and win percentages

Against CUSA

AFA - 31-11 (74%)
BSU - 16-2 (89%)
UNM - 47-44-3 (52%)
UNLV - 6-11 (35%)
Fresno - 23-5-1 (81%)
Nevada - 13-11 (54%)
SDSU - 22-9 (71%)
CSU - 30-20 (60%)
WYO - 33-15-1 (68%)
Hawaii - 34-24 (59%)

MWC Total - 255-153-5

The numbers are since conference realignment fool.

fool football didn't start and will not end with the 1998 realignment/BCS. Get out of your little bubble and look at the whole picture. 3-0 is that current enough for you. Oh it doesn't matter because the NCAA doesn't revolve or have anything to do w/ your opinion or your poll.

2005 Conference Realignment. Nobody cares what Wyoming did in 1974.

(07-05-2011 08:00 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:58 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:55 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:52 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 06:28 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  You do realize that is with Utah, BYU, and TCU right. You do know half of those numbers are before realignment right. Do some research.

research this...
How many BCS games has CUSA had?
What are the Head to head records of the MWC vs current CUSA?
How many ranked teams has current CUSA had vs new MWC and for how many weeks?
Wins vs AQ conf.?

let me know how it goes. I know the answers. You ignore them.

See post 127.

see post 135, you forgot Hawaii, and I know you wish you had a Boise in your conf. but you don't.

No I didn't. Hawaii was included. They are 0-1.

You were claiming Boise as our only claim to BCS. Hawaii went and got killed, but still went.

(07-05-2011 08:03 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:00 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:58 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:55 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:52 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  research this...
How many BCS games has CUSA had?
What are the Head to head records of the MWC vs current CUSA?
How many ranked teams has current CUSA had vs new MWC and for how many weeks?
Wins vs AQ conf.?

let me know how it goes. I know the answers. You ignore them.

See post 127.

see post 135, you forgot Hawaii, and I know you wish you had a Boise in your conf. but you don't.

No I didn't. Hawaii was included. They are 0-1.

You were claiming Boise as our only claim to BCS. Hawaii went and got killed, but still went.

Hawaii was dead last in SOS in 2007. That is for the entire NCAA.

(07-05-2011 08:01 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I've got this crazy notion that some of the teams in the MWC are better than some of the teams in C-USA and some of the teams in C-USA are better than some of the teams in the MWC. Call it a hunch.

Indeed chappy and I also believe 100% of CUSA and MWC fans would be in favor of a merger as long as it got them an AQ and they were one of the schools involved and not left out. Fact is the BCS will never want to give any other conf a AQ share no matter if the MWC still had BYU, TCU, Utah or not.

My bad 111th in SOS. Big difference

(07-05-2011 08:05 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:03 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:00 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:58 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:55 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  See post 127.

see post 135, you forgot Hawaii, and I know you wish you had a Boise in your conf. but you don't.

No I didn't. Hawaii was included. They are 0-1.

You were claiming Boise as our only claim to BCS. Hawaii went and got killed, but still went.

Hawaii was dead last in SOS in 2007. That is for the entire NCAA.

SO we are going to base the whole MWC vs CUSA on Hawaii's 2007 SOS. Has ECU or Tulsa or Houston ever had a down year or a weak SOS? Umm yeah. How about the years Boise was a no body in the 90s you should add that.

(07-05-2011 08:02 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:01 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:58 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:56 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 06:46 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  So C-USA has a winning record vs. MWC. We must be the better conference.

102 more losses than wins counts as winning record to you huh? Please spin away. How about you rig the numbers so that we only count the games where CUSA is at home or on a certain your were you may have finished with a better record. But never the all encompassing over all record.

MWC team records v. CUSA and win percentages

Against CUSA

AFA - 31-11 (74%)
BSU - 16-2 (89%)
UNM - 47-44-3 (52%)
UNLV - 6-11 (35%)
Fresno - 23-5-1 (81%)
Nevada - 13-11 (54%)
SDSU - 22-9 (71%)
CSU - 30-20 (60%)
WYO - 33-15-1 (68%)
Hawaii - 34-24 (59%)

MWC Total - 255-153-5

The numbers are since conference realignment fool.

fool football didn't start and will not end with the 1998 realignment/BCS. Get out of your little bubble and look at the whole picture. 3-0 is that current enough for you. Oh it doesn't matter because the NCAA doesn't revolve or have anything to do w/ your opinion or your poll.

2005 Conference Realignment. Nobody cares what Wyoming did in 1974.

I do, and you must, since you brought it up. So your last statement is false.

(07-05-2011 08:07 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:05 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:03 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:00 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:58 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  see post 135, you forgot Hawaii, and I know you wish you had a Boise in your conf. but you don't.

No I didn't. Hawaii was included. They are 0-1.

You were claiming Boise as our only claim to BCS. Hawaii went and got killed, but still went.

Hawaii was dead last in SOS in 2007. That is for the entire NCAA.

SO we are going to base the whole MWC vs CUSA on Hawaii's 2007 SOS. Has ECU or Tulsa or Houston ever had a down year? Umm yeah. How about the years Boise was a no body in the 90s you should add that.

What does this have to do with ECU or Houston having a down year? Boise State wasn't even FBS until 1996. That means more than half of the 90's they weren't even FBS. Why count stats for little FCS schools.

(07-05-2011 08:08 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:02 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:01 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:58 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:56 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  102 more losses than wins counts as winning record to you huh? Please spin away. How about you rig the numbers so that we only count the games where CUSA is at home or on a certain your were you may have finished with a better record. But never the all encompassing over all record.

MWC team records v. CUSA and win percentages

Against CUSA

AFA - 31-11 (74%)
BSU - 16-2 (89%)
UNM - 47-44-3 (52%)
UNLV - 6-11 (35%)
Fresno - 23-5-1 (81%)
Nevada - 13-11 (54%)
SDSU - 22-9 (71%)
CSU - 30-20 (60%)
WYO - 33-15-1 (68%)
Hawaii - 34-24 (59%)

MWC Total - 255-153-5

The numbers are since conference realignment fool.

fool football didn't start and will not end with the 1998 realignment/BCS. Get out of your little bubble and look at the whole picture. 3-0 is that current enough for you. Oh it doesn't matter because the NCAA doesn't revolve or have anything to do w/ your opinion or your poll.

2005 Conference Realignment. Nobody cares what Wyoming did in 1974.

I do, and you must, since you brought it up. So your last statement is false.

I was using that as an example. I could care less what some school in the middle of nowhere did 30+ years ago. Anyone that does care is crazy.

(07-05-2011 08:10 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:07 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:05 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:03 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:00 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  No I didn't. Hawaii was included. They are 0-1.

You were claiming Boise as our only claim to BCS. Hawaii went and got killed, but still went.

Hawaii was dead last in SOS in 2007. That is for the entire NCAA.

SO we are going to base the whole MWC vs CUSA on Hawaii's 2007 SOS. Has ECU or Tulsa or Houston ever had a down year? Umm yeah. How about the years Boise was a no body in the 90s you should add that.

What does this have to do with ECU or Houston having a down year? Boise State wasn't even FBS until 1996. That means more than half of the 90's they weren't even FBS. Why count stats for little FCS schools.

what does a weak SOS in 2007 by 1 school have to do with anything? um nothing. Was BSU I-A in the 90s? Yes. Were they a power like they are now? No. So if you want to nit pick like you are w/ Wyoming, Hawaii you should add that.

(07-05-2011 08:13 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:10 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:07 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:05 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:03 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  You were claiming Boise as our only claim to BCS. Hawaii went and got killed, but still went.

Hawaii was dead last in SOS in 2007. That is for the entire NCAA.

SO we are going to base the whole MWC vs CUSA on Hawaii's 2007 SOS. Has ECU or Tulsa or Houston ever had a down year? Umm yeah. How about the years Boise was a no body in the 90s you should add that.

What does this have to do with ECU or Houston having a down year? Boise State wasn't even FBS until 1996. That means more than half of the 90's they weren't even FBS. Why count stats for little FCS schools.

what does a weak SOS in 2007 by 1 school have to do with anything? um nothing. Was BSU I-A in the 90s? Yes. Were they a power like they are now? No. So if you want to nit pick like you are w/ Wyoming, Hawaii you should add that.

Hawaii SOS is very important. If they play OOC teams like Boise play, they would lose. Therefore no BCS Bowl.

(07-05-2011 08:12 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:08 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:02 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:01 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 07:58 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  The numbers are since conference realignment fool.

fool football didn't start and will not end with the 1998 realignment/BCS. Get out of your little bubble and look at the whole picture. 3-0 is that current enough for you. Oh it doesn't matter because the NCAA doesn't revolve or have anything to do w/ your opinion or your poll.

2005 Conference Realignment. Nobody cares what Wyoming did in 1974.

I do, and you must, since you brought it up. So your last statement is false.

I was using that as an example. I could care less what some school in the middle of nowhere did 30+ years ago. Anyone that does care is crazy.

I feel the same way about anyone who needs a pissing match poll to announce that they are worthy of something they've never accomplished while pissing on a conference that has done it. CUSA and MWC should be talking each other up to try and contend w/ the Big 6 no matter how hard. yet this useless thread is what you've come up with. Good one! We have 100 of these on the MWC board. Ohh we won and on the WAC board oh we won. What does it mean? Nothing. 3 BCS games mean something. If ECU or Houston or whoever ever gets to a BCS game I hope they win. Why? they are the little guy. Do I hope we keep going instead of you? yes. If we dont and you do. I'll root for CUSA to beat an AQ.

(07-05-2011 08:15 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:13 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:10 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:07 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:05 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Hawaii was dead last in SOS in 2007. That is for the entire NCAA.

SO we are going to base the whole MWC vs CUSA on Hawaii's 2007 SOS. Has ECU or Tulsa or Houston ever had a down year? Umm yeah. How about the years Boise was a no body in the 90s you should add that.

What does this have to do with ECU or Houston having a down year? Boise State wasn't even FBS until 1996. That means more than half of the 90's they weren't even FBS. Why count stats for little FCS schools.

what does a weak SOS in 2007 by 1 school have to do with anything? um nothing. Was BSU I-A in the 90s? Yes. Were they a power like they are now? No. So if you want to nit pick like you are w/ Wyoming, Hawaii you should add that.

Hawaii SOS is very important. If they play OOC teams like Boise play, they would lose. Therefore no BCS Bowl.

It must not have been important enough for the voters since they voted them to be ranked high enough to get a BCS game. Their opinion matters ours doesn't.

Interesting little tid-bit.

In 2009 Houston swept through their OOC schedule. It consisted of games @#5 Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and @MS State. But they lost 2 games in C-USA including the C-USA Title. C-USA has better competition. This season proves it.

PS: AFA did beat UH in the bowl that year so don't question me about facts if you knew.

(07-05-2011 08:20 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:15 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:13 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:10 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:07 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  SO we are going to base the whole MWC vs CUSA on Hawaii's 2007 SOS. Has ECU or Tulsa or Houston ever had a down year? Umm yeah. How about the years Boise was a no body in the 90s you should add that.

What does this have to do with ECU or Houston having a down year? Boise State wasn't even FBS until 1996. That means more than half of the 90's they weren't even FBS. Why count stats for little FCS schools.

what does a weak SOS in 2007 by 1 school have to do with anything? um nothing. Was BSU I-A in the 90s? Yes. Were they a power like they are now? No. So if you want to nit pick like you are w/ Wyoming, Hawaii you should add that.

Hawaii SOS is very important. If they play OOC teams like Boise play, they would lose. Therefore no BCS Bowl.

It must not have been important enough for the voters since they voted them to be ranked high enough to get a BCS game. Their opinion matters ours doesn't.

Any team that goes undefeated is going to be in a BCS Bowl. It's that easy.

(07-05-2011 08:25 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:20 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:15 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:13 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:10 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  What does this have to do with ECU or Houston having a down year? Boise State wasn't even FBS until 1996. That means more than half of the 90's they weren't even FBS. Why count stats for little FCS schools.

what does a weak SOS in 2007 by 1 school have to do with anything? um nothing. Was BSU I-A in the 90s? Yes. Were they a power like they are now? No. So if you want to nit pick like you are w/ Wyoming, Hawaii you should add that.

Hawaii SOS is very important. If they play OOC teams like Boise play, they would lose. Therefore no BCS Bowl.

It must not have been important enough for the voters since they voted them to be ranked high enough to get a BCS game. Their opinion matters ours doesn't.

Any team that goes undefeated is going to be in a BCS Bowl. It's that easy.

You mean like 12-0 Ball St.? or 12-0 Tulane?

(07-05-2011 08:24 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Interesting little tid-bit.

In 2009 Houston swept through their OOC schedule. It consisted of games @#5 Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and @MS State. But they lost 2 games in C-USA including the C-USA Title. C-USA has better competition. This season proves it.

PS: AFA did beat UH in the bowl that year so don't question me about facts if you knew.

What facts did I question you on about AFA beating Houston? AFA won, they were in the better conf. it happens. Houston beat teams that were in a better conf than them, it happens.

Well Ball State lost in the MAC championship game but they weren't going to a BCS bowl anyway. Though I do agree you need to do more than just go undefeated. For one you need to have nobody ahead of you undefeated from a non-AQ conference and other stuff like that. Some of it is up to the team others don't which is why it is not easy.