(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I read the messages put out by UCF. Houston and ECU about not having contact with the Big East

So then I also assume you read the statement put out by Nebraska prior to accepting the Big 10 invite? Apparently, the only "official contact" they ever had with the big 10 was when they accepted their invitation to the conference.

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  and it really struck me...the Big East wants Villanova and TCU. Period. Why, because Villanova is on board and TCU is another private school that helps them with their AQ.

Four points:

1. So because the schools issues the standard "we've had no contact" line (ala Nebraska), that means the Big East doesn't want them at all. Kind of a huge leap in logic don't you think?

2. Did the Big 10 and Pac 10 officially broadcast which schools they were looking at? What would the Big East gain by doing so? More importantly, what would the individual schools gain by admitting contact? Suppose a school came out and said "Yes, we are talking with the Big East" and then they weren't invited by the conference. That school would have burnt bridges with its current conference and its AD/president/etc would look incompetent to the fans. By saying nothing, they retain plausible deniability ("they never contacted us and weren't interested in us whatsoever") which allows them to avoid damaging relationships with their current conference and fan base.

3. UC and Louisville never had any official talks with the Big East until they were invite. That doesn't mean that unofficial discussion (e.g. Jurich attending a Big East meeting as "the commissioner's guest") never happened.

4. Being a private school has little to do with it. You slap TCU's resume over the last 10 years on UCF, Temple, Memphis, etc and the conference would be looking at them hard as well.

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Elitist anyone?

Wow.

So because the Big East may not consider a school for expansion they are elitist. Using that logic, I suppose C-USA is also an elitist conference because I'm sure they won't simply let any school that wants in to join. For that matter, ECU is also elitist since they have entrance requirements and not ever student can make the cut.

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I want to be on record as right now saying I dont want to be in the Big East.

Then why are you posting a rant on a Big East board? Why have you been coming to these boards for the last several months? Why throw a hissy fit when you find out that your school *MAY* not get in the conference. If you don't want in the Big East, wouldn't you be overjoyed to learn that your school wasn't a candidate? Hmmmmm

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I want to stay in CUSA and work some deal with the Boise State's and Fresno's of the world...they, as is Southern Miss, Houston, UTEP ect...

Okay, then why aren't you happy. After all, according to your post, you will be getting EXACTLY what it is you say that you want.

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  are the populist type programs that don't set out to put other programs down.

I'll admit that I fell on the floor laughing when I read this.

The same Boise and Fresno that left the WAC on its deathbed when they fled to the MWC?

The same Houston that would literally murder a baby to reunite with the Big 12 schools that abandoned it when the SWC broke up?

And if you don't think USM and UTEP would join to a BCS conference in a second if offered, you are sadly mistaken.

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome Temple in to the fold. West "by God" Virginia, you guys are welcome too!!

I'm sure WVU is beating the door down to play Marshall as a fellow C-USA team

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  As much as the Big East likes to complain about what the ACC did....they destroyed a very underrated and up and coming CUSA conference.

The ACC expanded to enhance TV and revenue streams. The Big East expanded because if it did not, it would have had to stop sponsoring football. The two scenarios are completely 100% comparable; it is like stealing because you are greedy and want more money and stealing because if you don't you'll starve to death.

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  TCU was part of that conference but left when the Big East took Louisville, Marquette, Cincinnati, South Florida and Depaul.

Guess that tells you how attractive the other C-USA schools were huh?

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Charlotte and St Louis went to the non-football A-10. But CUSA has survived, DESPITE what the Big East did.

Congrats. Here is a trophy.

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I hope the Big East does add another I-AA program to the fold and reaches out to Texas for another Louisville addition for AQ purposes,

I'm sure the conference would love to have another "Louisville".

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  look what happened to Louisville after joining.

After joining in 2005:

- Louisville has won more conference titles than any other school except Notre Dame.

- Louisville's athletic budget increased from about $32 million to over $60 million.

- Louisville won several national titles in track and field.

- Louisville won the BE men's basketball regular season conference and conference tournament. Also added a set of Elite Eights and many NCAA credits to the conference.

- Louisville made the women's basketball championship game (lost to UConn)

- Louisville made the college world series in baseball (only school to do so since expansion)

- Louisville finishes its soccer season in 2010 undefeated and ranked #1 in the nation.

- Louisville expanded PJCS to 56K and is averaging over 50 per game.

- Louisville moved into a $250 million dollar arena that rivals some of the best NBA arenas in the country. And they got an exclusive contract to boot.

- Louisville won a BCS bowl.


The only downside was the Kragthorpe tenure in football but Strong has the team on the up. But you are right, I mean, I'm sure most schools go to a college world series, win a BCS bowl, capture two elite eights, have a #1 ranked soccer team, expand their football stadium, build a $250 million door arena for hoops, have their athletic budget double, make a women's hoops championship game, and win the 2nd most title in the conference all within a span of 5 years.

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Its very hard to maintain that level with all the competition from the real AQ Conferences.

Exactly why we shouldn't add ECU, right? After all, they'd have a hard time in trying to "maintain that level with all the competition from the real AQ Conferences".

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  While your at it, bring in BYU to the fold, they are actually "holier than thou". Let's see what happens when the B10 comes looking East.

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I am looking forward to East Carolina University helping to lead the way for CUSA in cooperation with the Mountain West.

Good. You know you don't have to visit our boards anymore if that is the case right? I mean, shouldn't you be happy since you are looking forward to staying in C-USA?

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Hey Big East, how's Depaul working out for ya??

Most people fail to realize that DePaul isn't all that bad for the Big East. Why?
1. Their RPI is decent so it doesn't hurt the conference.
2. They still bring 8-9K despite five years of horrific basketball.
3. They are one team that most teams can count as a win towards a higher seed.

Every conference needs bottom feeders and DePaul is great in that capacity. Big market that doesn't overlap with other BE schools, good attendance, excellent recruiting area for hoops, decent RPI, and feeds other schools wins towards seeding.

(11-05-2010 11:05 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Well we are not the decision makers, you might want to send that to the Big East office.

I'm not a decision maker, but I am the law.

(11-05-2010 11:10 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  On the contrary....there are a ton of decision makers on this message board. The admins represent the fan base.

OMG, he has figured it out. Admins, quick! We need to ban him before he reveals that is actually us, the posters on BigEastbbs, that vote on conference expansion matters and not the university presidents.

(11-05-2010 11:12 AM)Maize Wrote:  If a football only invite came from Providence ECU would jump on it in a NY minute so just shut up lol

That is a load of crap Maize and you know it. Don't you remember the Desmond Conner article in the Hartford Courant column? According to him, ECU boosters said the school would be very tough when it came to accepting a big East invite including:

- Play a conference football schedule with zero compensation from the Big East so current members don’t have to give up any of their share of revenue.

- Be responsible for negotiating a television contract for home games until the league wants the school to be a part of its package.

- Not expect any of the league’s BCS revenue until earning a BCS bid of its own representing the conference.

- Come in as a football member only. Other sports would play in another league in order to not interfere with the league’s current 16-member setup for all other sports.

You look at that list and try and tell me that they'd settle for a crappy football invite from Providence.

(11-05-2010 02:45 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 12:28 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:06 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Your opinion is just that. Your schools are right now whoring themselves to the BE. Sounds like some sour grapes to me.

I object to the use or your choice of words...but...I agree.

You are right. Nobody is whoring themselves at the moment. Flirting inconspicuously is more like it. They won't leave the current beau unless something better offers. But they are definitely sending out the i'm available sign.

Oh..yes.. ECU has openly had out the for sale sign for years. There should no question as to ECU's motivation to sell it's house...nor any animosity towards it in regard to listing it for sale..

University Presidents think more along the lines of one man one vote, and since they're the man with the vote that matters...

(11-05-2010 11:36 AM)Lloyd64 Wrote:  "Message to the Big East...Leave CUSA Alone."

"Leave ECU and C-USA ALONE!!!!"

(11-05-2010 03:05 PM)UofL07 Wrote:  The same Houston that would literally murder a baby to reunite with the Big 12 schools that abandoned it when the SWC broke up?

Are we at least talking about an ugly baby? I'd hate to think they'd literally murder a cute baby...

USFFan

(11-05-2010 11:19 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Sour Grapes?? Did you read what your conference did to CUSA last time around?

Yes, we were a big old meanie to them. We boxed their ears and pushed them down in this big mud puddle. Them we ate an ice cream cone and didn't even offer to share!

(11-05-2010 11:19 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I said leave them alone, you've done enough damage.

I'll let 50cent and Ciara explain why we just can't leave them alone.....

(11-05-2010 11:19 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  You flaunt around the AQ, when you don't even DESERVE an AQ. There is no one ranked in the Top 25.

(11-05-2010 11:19 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  The Big East is a fraud...they cherry pick their criteria, we don't care about academics if you reside in Florida. We will add you if you're Top 10, even if we aren't. If we have to, we'll go to Texas to do it. We want Big Markets, even though no one watches in those Big Markets.

Just so you know, I'm moving into your place next week. Now I know that your house is private property and its up to you to decide who gets to come in and whatnot (kind of like how the Big East gets to decide who it wants to join its conference). But I mean, you don't want to be a cheery picking elitist do you? What kind of BS is it to say that "only family members and people I know well can stay here". What type of elitist puts criteria on who he interacts with and allows to share in his property?

(11-05-2010 11:19 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  This is a basketball conference playing football, thats it. They want Texas for recruiting purposes. Oh yeah, lets stick it to Temple and get Nova to CREATE a program at our level.

(11-05-2010 03:16 PM)UofL07 Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:12 AM)Maize Wrote:  If a football only invite came from Providence ECU would jump on it in a NY minute so just shut up lol

That is a load of crap Maize and you know it. Don't you remember the Desmond Conner article in the Hartford Courant column? According to him, ECU boosters said the school would be very tough when it came to accepting a big East invite including:

- Play a conference football schedule with zero compensation from the Big East so current members don’t have to give up any of their share of revenue.

- Be responsible for negotiating a television contract for home games until the league wants the school to be a part of its package.

- Not expect any of the league’s BCS revenue until earning a BCS bid of its own representing the conference.

- Come in as a football member only. Other sports would play in another league in order to not interfere with the league’s current 16-member setup for all other sports.

You look at that list and try and tell me that they'd settle for a crappy football invite from Providence.

The HC dude must have been smoking some serious stuff when he penned that gem!!

.If we got an invite and got ZERO funds from the BE for a decade ....we would still be better off than our current situation. Just the AQ status and the scheduling of BE teams would make it worth it. Anyone that doubts that must be smoking the same thing as the HC reporter!

(11-05-2010 03:20 PM)UofL07 Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:36 AM)Lloyd64 Wrote:  "Message to the Big East...Leave CUSA Alone."

"Leave ECU and C-USA ALONE!!!!"

That's money!

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I read the messages put out by UCF. Houston and ECU about not having contact with the Big East and it really struck me...the Big East wants Villanova and TCU. Period. Why, because Villanova is on board and TCU is another private school that helps them with their AQ.

Elitist anyone?

I want to be on record as right now saying I dont want to be in the Big East. I want to stay in CUSA and work some deal with the Boise State's and Fresno's of the world...they, as is Southern Miss, Houston, UTEP ect...are the populist type programs that don't set out to put other programs down. I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome Temple in to the fold. West "by God" Virginia, you guys are welcome too!!

As much as the Big East likes to complain about what the ACC did....they destroyed a very underrated and up and coming CUSA conference. TCU was part of that conference but left when the Big East took Louisville, Marquette, Cincinnati, South Florida and Depaul. Charlotte and St Louis went to the non-football A-10. But CUSA has survived, DESPITE what the Big East did.

I hope the Big East does add another I-AA program to the fold and reaches out to Texas for another Louisville addition for AQ purposes, look what happened to Louisville after joining. Its very hard to maintain that level with all the competition from the real AQ Conferences. While your at it, bring in BYU to the fold, they are actually "holier than thou". Let's see what happens when the B10 comes looking East.

I am looking forward to East Carolina University helping to lead the way for CUSA in cooperation with the Mountain West.

Hey Big East, how's Depaul working out for ya??

"Let him rave on, that men will know him mad."

Pharaoh Ramses II
The Ten Commandments

(11-05-2010 02:07 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Stage 1 of the 7 stages of grief???

I think so. I feel bad in all seriousness.

On a side note what I find hilarious about HP's rant is that these same people said that USF wasn't a big loss and Marshall easily replaces Cincinnati now we're big losses.

(11-05-2010 01:25 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  What were the remaining programs going to do?

What was the Big East suppose to do?

(11-05-2010 01:25 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  CUSA went from 14 programs to 6 thanks to the Big East.

The Big East went from 8 football programs to 5 thanks to the ACC

(11-05-2010 01:25 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  CUSA didnt go after 1 conference to fill all their voids, they offered a few teams form the MAC and WAC and strategically went after all sports.

C-USA went after the best programs it could get, just like the Big East. The only difference is the best available programs for the Big East were in C-USA while C-USA's option were scattered across a few different conferences.

(11-05-2010 01:25 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  What the BE is doing is trying to dictate terms and feel good about themselves.

Why shouldn't the Big East have the right to dictate the terms of ITS OWN EXPANSION? Do you let your neighbors come in and dictate how you decorate your own house?

(11-05-2010 01:25 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  If they know who they want, then go get them and be done with it. Have they done the studies?

We are evil bad meanies remember? We just want to make C-USA sweat a few years before not taking any of their teams.

(11-05-2010 01:25 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  EVERYONE here says that the BE has contacted TCU and Villanova. We know that no CUSA schools have been contacted.

Really, everyone? Did you ask Jerry because I'm pretty sure he said no. which leads me on to this next one:


[quote='HP-TBDPITL' pid='5871270' dateline='1288981532']I'm saying, leave them alone.

Only if you say pretty please. But remember, according to you, we are going to take TCU and Nova and not any C-USA teams. So we are already leaving them alone. So why do you feel the need to tell them to "leave them alone" when you are already convinced that they are going to leave them alone?

Your logic is astounding.

(11-05-2010 01:25 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  We are progressing as a conference and that shouldnt be interupted.

Yes. C-USA has made so much advancement in the last 5 years. Look at all those BCS bowl games and multiple NCAA bids...oh wait, that was the MWC. Nevermind.

(11-05-2010 01:25 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I also inserted as to why I felt they were choosing certain teams, which I believe is an elitist mentality. Markets, academics, etc...thats all excuses, not reasons for who they are adding.

Agree 100%. I mean I'm sure that the Big 10 never had academic requirements in place when it looked at candidates nor did they look at how valuable a candidate would be from a TV revenue perspective.

(11-05-2010 01:25 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  The BE is the same BE it was when it started.

(11-05-2010 01:25 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  And then you guys call me names because I say I don't want CUSA schools to bow down to the almighty Big East. You're talking about expanding to Houston, for God's sake....

No...we talkin' bout practice...

(11-05-2010 11:48 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:36 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  "I was going to dump her before she dumped me. That ring I bought for her wasn't that expensive. I only moved 2000 miles to be with her, so it's no big deal. I never liked her anyway. No, I'm not in denial."

As I said, it just struck me....ECU is doing just fine, CUSA has rebounded from the destroyer that was the Big East.

Va Tech left for greener pastures...the Big East programs will if they get the opportunity.

What I am saying is have your club and stop perusing ours. The Big East hasnt changed their ways, they want the richest member who is good. They wanted Nova 13 years ago...they could have taken TCU in 2005, but TCU wouldnt have helped them with their AQ.

Everything I have said is true....but you can keep trying to attack me, thats what people do when they don't want to talk about the truth.

Do you know or admire the poster known as f654321?

This thread has Hall of Fame material written all over it.

In a weird way...I think it would be funny as heck to see ECU get a Big East Invite just to see the original poster's reaction!!!!!

Seriously, as an ECU supporter, this is terrible. It stinks of a 5 yr old girl saying, "fine, I didn't want to play with you anyway" after being kicked out of her sister's room.

The truth is ECU would jump at any opportunity to have a slice of the BCS pie, football only or all sports, it wouldn't matter.

UofL, make fun all you want....

The Big East appears to have contacted TCU and Villanova about joining them in football, but instead of just inviting them...they set of on this crusade around the country seeing who wants to get in while holding out this AQ statue that shouldnt even exist.

Its crap, thats what I'm saying. ECU doesnt have to pander to anyone, we can stand on our own accord. We can compete on the BE level. CUSA as a conference doesnt have to pander to the Big East. But we have all of these posters and media members sitting there saying you ain't worth this or that...whatever.

The BE is using CUSA programs right now to get what they already know they want. They are flaunting their "terms and conditions" around. Thats crap. Just make a decision and lets all move on. You've already made things difficult enough.

This whole AQ stuff by the BCS is bogus and everyone on here knows it.

(11-05-2010 01:42 PM)ECU#7 Wrote:  I agree that most ECU fans would want to be in the BE if offered. I want ECU to have the BCS status, but I just wish it wasn't in the BE. Since ECU isn't going to get an invitation it doesn't matter anyway, I just hope its TCU and VU only so it doesn't hurt the rest of C-USA.

BTW you can go back over the past 2 years via my posts and you will see that I have never wanted ECU to be in the BE, so no sour grapes here. Like the games with WVU, UL, Cinn, and SU but other then them the rest of the conference is a snooze fest. ECU is a southern school and the BE is a yankee conference. We have nothing in common and its just not a good fit for either side.

We have more in common with CUSA programs then the BE programs. I dont think the BE does anything for ECU except potentially get more money. We are already bigger as a program then many of the schools. We play in a full stadium, many of the BE programs play in half empty rented stadiums. And besides WVU, Louisville is the only BE program that has a BCS win and that was over Wake Forest. LOL. I'm done with it and am tired of seeing the BE wave around their AQ to the program who will give in the most.

Have your USF...heard a rumor today that Skip Holtz hates it there, he was stupid for chasing the AQ. I hope no CUSA schools are that stupid, the BE needs other programs (as their fans have been saying for years) then those programs need them. Thats the way I feel about it. If every school took that stance, the BCS would have to show its true colors in a few years and create ANOTHER waiver for the BE for AQ status. At least the BE got that, what did CUSA get from the raid?

Think about it from our standpoint....when you have media types saying, if you don't get in now, your program is doomed.

Well thats the whole freakin point of the BCS, isnt it?? To create the have's and the have not's. To LABEL them. That is elitist.

Yeah, maybe I responded by doing it as well...but its what the BE is doing right now with "terms and conditions".

Now you see why I rant?