(11-05-2010 11:06 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Your opinion is just that. Your schools are right now whoring themselves to the BE. Sounds like some sour grapes to me.

I object to the use or your choice of words...but...I agree.

(11-05-2010 11:44 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Arent these the same people who thought it "made sense" for the ACC and Big Ten to raid US?

He is speaking for himself..not..people.

(11-05-2010 11:45 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:14 AM)L-yes Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I read the messages put out by UCF. Houston and ECU about not having contact with the Big East and it really struck me...the Big East wants Villanova and TCU. Period. Why, because Villanova is on board and TCU is another private school that helps them with their AQ.

Elitist anyone?

I want to be on record as right now saying I dont want to be in the Big East. I want to stay in CUSA and work some deal with the Boise State's and Fresno's of the world...they, as is Southern Miss, Houston, UTEP ect...are the populist type programs that don't set out to put other programs down. I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome Temple in to the fold. West "by God" Virginia, you guys are welcome too!!

As much as the Big East likes to complain about what the ACC did....they destroyed a very underrated and up and coming CUSA conference. TCU was part of that conference but left when the Big East took Louisville, Marquette, Cincinnati, South Florida and Depaul. Charlotte and St Louis went to the non-football A-10. But CUSA has survived, DESPITE what the Big East did.

I hope the Big East does add another I-AA program to the fold and reaches out to Texas for another Louisville addition for AQ purposes, look what happened to Louisville after joining. Its very hard to maintain that level with all the competition from the real AQ Conferences. While your at it, bring in BYU to the fold, they are actually "holier than thou". Let's see what happens when the B10 comes looking East.

I am looking forward to East Carolina University helping to lead the way for CUSA in cooperation with the Mountain West.

Hey Big East, how's Depaul working out for ya??

In football we won the orange bowl and came in second two of our first three years in the league. Can't blame the Big East for Kragthorpe.

We've expanded our stadium to 55k and will lead the conference in attendance or come in second despite being a .500 club this season.

We won the Big East men's basketball championship and tournament came in second several times and have been to two NCAA elite 8's

We played in the women's final four and championship game, were national runners-up to UConn.

We built a 230 million dollar arena for our basketball programs.

We've won the baseball championship numerous times, hosted regionals and played in supers won supers + a world series appearance.

Our men's soccer team is currently ranked #1 in the nation

We've won swimming/diving team conference titles

We've won golf titles

We've won tennis titles

We've won track titles


Again, Steve Kragthorpe wasn't the fault of the Big East and while the leadership has been frustrating we've done pretty well by the conference. Just wanted to add some context to your point about Louisville.

+1. The original poster could not be more off base on Louisville's situation and the impact of BCS membership.

This.

No offense HP but you sound like someone who thinks their team won't get invited. Besides what about the great destroyer C-USA who raided two conferences the MAC and WAC and a maybe a 3rd the Sun Belt, why don't you leave them alone you elitist?

(11-05-2010 11:23 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:19 AM)CD11 Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:12 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:06 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Your opinion is just that. Your schools are right now whoring themselves to the BE. Sounds like some sour grapes to me.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wut he said!!!! If a football only invite came from Providence ECU would jump on it in a NY minute so just shut up lol

Yep. Sounds like a guy trying to preemptively defend the honor of his school and his conference if/when an offer never comes down.

You don't want us....we don't fit in the club. You wave money in front of people, sure they will reach out, but that's exactly what I'm talking about...its the Big East WAY...we used to call it "Buying your friends".

Drama queen much?

Look dude, it's nothing personel. Your school's strengths just don't align with the Big East's needs. Look, I too favor ECU's addition to the league - provided we opt for a four team expansion rather than a two team plan.

You have a reasonably large, passionate following and I think that would serve the BE well in bowl and road travel - two areas where we have traditionally struggled. The problem is your location and that's not your fault, it's just how it goes. Look, I'm a Pitt fan and I want in the B10 in a big way but due to our location that is never going to happen either. Just hang tight, Kimosabe. You'll get into the BE eventually. It just probably won't happen until the B10 and ACC expand again.

(11-05-2010 11:10 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I am so glad Penn State is not in the Big East. Because they don't have the Big East mentality, it all works out.

Did you seriously just infer that Penn State doesn't think it is superior to other programs? Hang on a second and let me grab some popcorn while I watch the fans of every other northeastern school respond...

USFFan

(11-05-2010 12:57 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:10 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I am so glad Penn State is not in the Big East. Because they don't have the Big East mentality, it all works out.

Did you seriously just infer that Penn State doesn't think it is superior to other programs? Hang on a second and let me grab some popcorn while I watch the fans of every other northeastern school respond...

USFFan

Penn State is superior to the other BE programs....that was the rub all along. The BE tried to stick it to Penn State when they could. They knew Penn State was too big for them. As the Big East credibility slacks, they want Penn State again.

(11-05-2010 12:30 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:45 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:14 AM)L-yes Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I read the messages put out by UCF. Houston and ECU about not having contact with the Big East and it really struck me...the Big East wants Villanova and TCU. Period. Why, because Villanova is on board and TCU is another private school that helps them with their AQ.

Elitist anyone?

I want to be on record as right now saying I dont want to be in the Big East. I want to stay in CUSA and work some deal with the Boise State's and Fresno's of the world...they, as is Southern Miss, Houston, UTEP ect...are the populist type programs that don't set out to put other programs down. I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome Temple in to the fold. West "by God" Virginia, you guys are welcome too!!

As much as the Big East likes to complain about what the ACC did....they destroyed a very underrated and up and coming CUSA conference. TCU was part of that conference but left when the Big East took Louisville, Marquette, Cincinnati, South Florida and Depaul. Charlotte and St Louis went to the non-football A-10. But CUSA has survived, DESPITE what the Big East did.

I hope the Big East does add another I-AA program to the fold and reaches out to Texas for another Louisville addition for AQ purposes, look what happened to Louisville after joining. Its very hard to maintain that level with all the competition from the real AQ Conferences. While your at it, bring in BYU to the fold, they are actually "holier than thou". Let's see what happens when the B10 comes looking East.

I am looking forward to East Carolina University helping to lead the way for CUSA in cooperation with the Mountain West.

Hey Big East, how's Depaul working out for ya??

In football we won the orange bowl and came in second two of our first three years in the league. Can't blame the Big East for Kragthorpe.

We've expanded our stadium to 55k and will lead the conference in attendance or come in second despite being a .500 club this season.

We won the Big East men's basketball championship and tournament came in second several times and have been to two NCAA elite 8's

We played in the women's final four and championship game, were national runners-up to UConn.

We built a 230 million dollar arena for our basketball programs.

We've won the baseball championship numerous times, hosted regionals and played in supers won supers + a world series appearance.

Our men's soccer team is currently ranked #1 in the nation

We've won swimming/diving team conference titles

We've won golf titles

We've won tennis titles

We've won track titles


Again, Steve Kragthorpe wasn't the fault of the Big East and while the leadership has been frustrating we've done pretty well by the conference. Just wanted to add some context to your point about Louisville.

+1. The original poster could not be more off base on Louisville's situation and the impact of BCS membership.

This.

Louisville was doing fine before it joined the Big East. They already had Pitino, they had already built a brand new football stadium. I made the comment about Louisville in reference to sustainability. They had a Top 10 program in football IN CUSA. It wasnt the Big East that gave them that. The other sports may have done well since, but they may have done well anyway.

(11-05-2010 11:36 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  "I was going to dump her before she dumped me. That ring I bought for her wasn't that expensive. I only moved 2000 miles to be with her, so it's no big deal. I never liked her anyway. No, I'm not in denial."

very well put

(11-05-2010 12:31 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  No offense HP but you sound like someone who thinks their team won't get invited. Besides what about the great destroyer C-USA who raided two conferences the MAC and WAC and a maybe a 3rd the Sub Belt, why don't you leave them alone you elitist?

What were the remaining programs going to do? CUSA went from 14 programs to 6 thanks to the Big East. CUSA didnt go after 1 conference to fill all their voids, they offered a few teams form the MAC and WAC and strategically went after all sports.

What the BE is doing is trying to dictate terms and feel good about themselves. If they know who they want, then go get them and be done with it. Have they done the studies? EVERYONE here says that the BE has contacted TCU and Villanova. We know that no CUSA schools have been contacted. I'm saying, leave them alone. We are progressing as a conference and that shouldnt be interupted. Isnt that what the BE is telling the B10.

I also inserted as to why I felt they were choosing certain teams, which I believe is an elitist mentality. Markets, academics, etc...thats all excuses, not reasons for who they are adding. The BE is the same BE it was when it started. I feel for those fans that are wanting to split and go all sports, I honestly thought this was what would happen about three years ago. Instead, its the same ole, same ole....your school or program is not good enough to play with us.

And then you guys call me names because I say I don't want CUSA schools to bow down to the almighty Big East. You're talking about expanding to Houston, for God's sake....

(11-05-2010 01:22 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:36 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  "I was going to dump her before she dumped me. That ring I bought for her wasn't that expensive. I only moved 2000 miles to be with her, so it's no big deal. I never liked her anyway. No, I'm not in denial."

very well put

Just to be clear, I have NEVER said that I wanted ECU to go to the Big East. I have said they deserve it over anyone else and I laid out why and when guys like Buck try to put down ECU with jokes and comments, I defended and explained why.

I dont believe in the AQ, I dont believe in this system. If your program is so good, why do you need an AQ? Why cant we just have the Top 14 or so teams and let the Bowls choose from them?

There is no difference between Southern Miss, Cincinnati, South Florida, East Carolina, Louisville, UConn, Houston, Rutgers and Central Florida in football...none. They are all comparable programs, except some are in a AQ conference and some are not. Just because you are in a AQ conference doesnt mean you are any better.

(11-05-2010 01:12 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 12:57 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:10 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I am so glad Penn State is not in the Big East. Because they don't have the Big East mentality, it all works out.

Did you seriously just infer that Penn State doesn't think it is superior to other programs? Hang on a second and let me grab some popcorn while I watch the fans of every other northeastern school respond...

USFFan

Penn State is superior to the other BE programs....that was the rub all along. The BE tried to stick it to Penn State when they could. They knew Penn State was too big for them. As the Big East credibility slacks, they want Penn State again.

So in other words, it's OK if you look down on other programs if, in your opinion, they're superior to those other programs. So if a basketball league where 15 of their 16 members have made the Final Four (*full disclosure - I'm a fan of the 1 that hasn't!) looks down at including basketball membership for a school that's never even been awarded an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament or doesn't consider extending a football offer to a school that's never won a bowl game, that would be justified, right? I'm just trying to make sure I fully understand you...

USFFan

In my opinion it is the BCS's fault. Everybody wants to keep their hand in the cookie jar, so they do what it takes to not lose the bid. The ACC raids the Big East and hurts it. The Big East then raids CUSA and raids it of some of our best teams essentially stopping us from having a shot as a BCS conference. What do we do, we raid the MAC and WAC. The higher up you are on the BCS food chain the better off you are.

IF there were no BCS, then there would never be any raids. The ACC wanted to keep its football standing because it weakened. The Big East wanted to keep its BCS status because it was weakened. Those of us in the mid-majors suffer from these raids as we lose our best teams to them.

The BCS is to blame for all of this mess, including CUSA losing its up and coming status as a viable conference. The cartel needs to be broken up.

(11-05-2010 01:31 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 01:22 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:36 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  "I was going to dump her before she dumped me. That ring I bought for her wasn't that expensive. I only moved 2000 miles to be with her, so it's no big deal. I never liked her anyway. No, I'm not in denial."

very well put

Just to be clear, I have NEVER said that I wanted ECU to go to the Big East. I have said they deserve it over anyone else and I laid out why and when guys like Buck try to put down ECU with jokes and comments, I defended and explained why.

I dont believe in the AQ, I dont believe in this system. If your program is so good, why do you need an AQ? Why cant we just have the Top 14 or so teams and let the Bowls choose from them?

There is no difference between Southern Miss, Cincinnati, South Florida, East Carolina, Louisville, UConn, Houston, Rutgers and Central Florida in football...none. They are all comparable programs, except some are in a AQ conference and some are not. Just because you are in a AQ conference doesnt mean you are any better.

Actually there is... Louisville, Cincy were already good or great basketball programs with solid FB as well. The fact that they are in major markets and East of Mississippi was also a good thing. As for USF, we needed a Florida connection... just so happens that USF also is in a major market.

It's NOT because Big East fans dont' want ECU... I realize that football isn't driving the bus... its ESPN/Fox and whoever can bring in the dollars. If this was a few decades ago.. would be a different story.

I agree that most ECU fans would want to be in the BE if offered. I want ECU to have the BCS status, but I just wish it wasn't in the BE. Since ECU isn't going to get an invitation it doesn't matter anyway, I just hope its TCU and VU only so it doesn't hurt the rest of C-USA.

BTW you can go back over the past 2 years via my posts and you will see that I have never wanted ECU to be in the BE, so no sour grapes here. Like the games with WVU, UL, Cinn, and SU but other then them the rest of the conference is a snooze fest. ECU is a southern school and the BE is a yankee conference. We have nothing in common and its just not a good fit for either side.

(11-05-2010 01:42 PM)ECU#7 Wrote:  I agree that most ECU fans would want to be in the BE if offered. I want ECU to have the BCS status, but I just wish it wasn't in the BE. Since ECU isn't going to get an invitation it doesn't matter anyway, I just hope its TCU and VU only so it doesn't hurt the rest of C-USA.

BTW you can go back over the past 2 years via my posts and you will see that I have never wanted ECU to be in the BE, so no sour grapes here. Like the games with WVU, UL, Cinn, and SU but other then them the rest of the conference is a snooze fest. ECU is a southern school and the BE is a yankee conference. We have nothing in common and its just not a good fit for either side.

Not to be annoying...but..I think ECU has the most history on the playing field with the BE of any non AQ team in the nation. Rutgers and UCONN are the only ones that I do not recall ever playing...not that it matters one iota.

Stage 1 of the 7 stages of grief???

(11-05-2010 01:14 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 12:30 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:45 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:14 AM)L-yes Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 10:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I read the messages put out by UCF. Houston and ECU about not having contact with the Big East and it really struck me...the Big East wants Villanova and TCU. Period. Why, because Villanova is on board and TCU is another private school that helps them with their AQ.

Elitist anyone?

I want to be on record as right now saying I dont want to be in the Big East. I want to stay in CUSA and work some deal with the Boise State's and Fresno's of the world...they, as is Southern Miss, Houston, UTEP ect...are the populist type programs that don't set out to put other programs down. I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome Temple in to the fold. West "by God" Virginia, you guys are welcome too!!

As much as the Big East likes to complain about what the ACC did....they destroyed a very underrated and up and coming CUSA conference. TCU was part of that conference but left when the Big East took Louisville, Marquette, Cincinnati, South Florida and Depaul. Charlotte and St Louis went to the non-football A-10. But CUSA has survived, DESPITE what the Big East did.

I hope the Big East does add another I-AA program to the fold and reaches out to Texas for another Louisville addition for AQ purposes, look what happened to Louisville after joining. Its very hard to maintain that level with all the competition from the real AQ Conferences. While your at it, bring in BYU to the fold, they are actually "holier than thou". Let's see what happens when the B10 comes looking East.

I am looking forward to East Carolina University helping to lead the way for CUSA in cooperation with the Mountain West.

Hey Big East, how's Depaul working out for ya??

In football we won the orange bowl and came in second two of our first three years in the league. Can't blame the Big East for Kragthorpe.

We've expanded our stadium to 55k and will lead the conference in attendance or come in second despite being a .500 club this season.

We won the Big East men's basketball championship and tournament came in second several times and have been to two NCAA elite 8's

We played in the women's final four and championship game, were national runners-up to UConn.

We built a 230 million dollar arena for our basketball programs.

We've won the baseball championship numerous times, hosted regionals and played in supers won supers + a world series appearance.

Our men's soccer team is currently ranked #1 in the nation

We've won swimming/diving team conference titles

We've won golf titles

We've won tennis titles

We've won track titles


Again, Steve Kragthorpe wasn't the fault of the Big East and while the leadership has been frustrating we've done pretty well by the conference. Just wanted to add some context to your point about Louisville.

+1. The original poster could not be more off base on Louisville's situation and the impact of BCS membership.

This.

Louisville was doing fine before it joined the Big East. They already had Pitino, they had already built a brand new football stadium. I made the comment about Louisville in reference to sustainability. They had a Top 10 program in football IN CUSA. It wasnt the Big East that gave them that. The other sports may have done well since, but they may have done well anyway.

You're looking at this all wrong. I mean no disrespect to it's current members, but UofL was enjoying strong success in football in spite of CUSA, not because it of. It is very difficult to maintain Top 25 success in a non-BCS league, and while Louisville was the best bet to do it in the eastern half of the country, since we gained BCS membership the only schools to do so are in the west. As some here have mentioned, the breakdown of BCS school and non-BCS geographic locations plays a part in that. That's in addition to an immense program commitment, which Louisville had.

Petrino left UofL for the NFL while we were a BE member. He would have left much earlier if we were still in CUSA. As has been said, the coaching issus is the reason UofL dropped off the map recently.

As for baskeball, UofL has maybe 3 losing seasons since World War II, so the 10 years or so in CUSA has absolutely zero effect on that, positive or negative. Again, its the program itself and the the fan base that is 20,000 strong even for exhibition games in November.

We also long ago made a commitment to having strong Olympic sports, but BCS money greatly aids in sustaining that on the fiscal side.

(11-05-2010 12:28 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 11:06 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Your opinion is just that. Your schools are right now whoring themselves to the BE. Sounds like some sour grapes to me.

I object to the use or your choice of words...but...I agree.

You are right. Nobody is whoring themselves at the moment. Flirting inconspicuously is more like it. They won't leave the current beau unless something better offers. But they are definitely sending out the i'm available sign.