(11-18-2009 09:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: I don't expect him back. There is no documentation to prove or disprove the NCAA allegations, and those documents are mandated by the NCAA. That's a violation of NCAA rules. It also gives Michigan an out on his contract for just cause - without any further payments on his contract...
I'm starting to agree with this logic. At first, I thought that Michigan would definitely give him more than 2 years since he was overhauling the school's entire offensive system, but the NCAA rules violations aren't going to be tolerated (at least if such violations are occurring and the school is STILL losing). So, I think it's more likely than not that DickRod is gone (while I would've thought differently a week ago).
(11-18-2009 09:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: I don't expect him back. There is no documentation to prove or disprove the NCAA allegations, and those documents are mandated by the NCAA. That's a violation of NCAA rules. It also gives Michigan an out on his contract for just cause - without any further payments on his contract...
Quote:And the tail end of the Michigan report has a slightly defensive paragraph about what this all means (emphasis mine):
Quote:CARA forms were created by the U-M athletic compliance office and are one tool U-M uses to track athletic activities undertaken by student-athletes and ensure compliance to our own and NCAA rules and regulations. Other tools include regular monitoring and extensive educational programming for athletes, coaches and other personnel affiliated with the program.
Some upshot:
It's not a response to anything. As the report makes clear, this was an issue that was internally flagged in May, months before the Free Press story, and officially addressed in June, weeks before that story.
In itself it doesn't mean much…The absence of these logs is not incriminating—they're an internal tool, not something the NCAA requires.
…but it opens the university up to punishment. Extant signed logs and forms, as people inside the program suggested were standard practice, would just about shut the door on anything except complaints from former players. If it's a bunch of he-said-she-said and since the NCAA isn't a court of law they could decide to hand down something. What is still entirely murky.
This does not look good if you're banking on your faith in compliance. If these logs existed they'd be a fantastic way to tell various folks to talk to the documentation. They don't, and whether that's an intentional omission on the part of a nefarious mastermind or mere incompetence on the part of a compliance department that didn't bother to inform the new guy that they had to do this paperwork it is a missed opportunity.
The last bit of the report at suggests that Michigan has some records disputing the allegations, but a compliance department truly on top of their crap would not have let these forms slide even for a year. If there is no paper trail indicating compliance outside of the CARA forms, someone needs to be fired and possibly branded with a scarlet NCAA.
(11-18-2009 01:21 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: I'm starting to agree with this logic. At first, I thought that Michigan would definitely give him more than 2 years since he was overhauling the school's entire offensive system, but the NCAA rules violations aren't going to be tolerated (at least if such violations are occurring and the school is STILL losing). So, I think it's more likely than not that DickRod is gone (while I would've thought differently a week ago).
... It does give Michigan the leverage to invoke the dread "failure to maintain institutional control" clause ...
lolllll, the whole thing is just rubash and the drod saga continues on....
what will happen, i think grob is in a heap of deep doo doo as the fall guy, we shall see............
(11-18-2009 09:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: I don't expect him back. There is no documentation to prove or disprove the NCAA allegations, and those documents are mandated by the NCAA. That's a violation of NCAA rules. It also gives Michigan an out on his contract for just cause - without any further payments on his contract...
Quote:And the tail end of the Michigan report has a slightly defensive paragraph about what this all means (emphasis mine):
Quote:CARA forms were created by the U-M athletic compliance office and are one tool U-M uses to track athletic activities undertaken by student-athletes and ensure compliance to our own and NCAA rules and regulations. Other tools include regular monitoring and extensive educational programming for athletes, coaches and other personnel affiliated with the program.
Some upshot:
It's not a response to anything. As the report makes clear, this was an issue that was internally flagged in May, months before the Free Press story, and officially addressed in June, weeks before that story.
In itself it doesn't mean much…The absence of these logs is not incriminating—they're an internal tool, not something the NCAA requires.
…but it opens the university up to punishment. Extant signed logs and forms, as people inside the program suggested were standard practice, would just about shut the door on anything except complaints from former players. If it's a bunch of he-said-she-said and since the NCAA isn't a court of law they could decide to hand down something. What is still entirely murky.
This does not look good if you're banking on your faith in compliance. If these logs existed they'd be a fantastic way to tell various folks to talk to the documentation. They don't, and whether that's an intentional omission on the part of a nefarious mastermind or mere incompetence on the part of a compliance department that didn't bother to inform the new guy that they had to do this paperwork it is a missed opportunity.
The last bit of the report at suggests that Michigan has some records disputing the allegations, but a compliance department truly on top of their crap would not have let these forms slide even for a year. If there is no paper trail indicating compliance outside of the CARA forms, someone needs to be fired and possibly branded with a scarlet NCAA
Don't forget that Rodriguez shredded similar documentation prior to his exit from Morgantown. That raises another red flag, and tends to give one the impression that there's a fire somwhere behind all the smoke...
(11-17-2009 05:16 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote: Yeah, 'cause you're so unbiased and everything. I don't see garbage like Miami OH and SEMO on Notre Dame's schedule. But I'm sure to a homer like you Cincinnati plays the toughest schedule in the nation.
Someone inform Mike that UC's SOS actually dropped one spot after beating WVU last week. That should brighten his day.
Doesn't bother me in the least. I'm actually rooting for WVU to lose out. I want Stewther's hotseat on fire.
(11-17-2009 11:37 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote: All of these guys have huge egos. Throw enough money and they'll likely get whichever candidate they want.
I agree. While getting offered a massive isn't a guarantee that a coach will leave, it's certainly extremely important. Brian Kelly has a massive ego - he actually called out his own athletic department with respect to its physical facilities. I haven't seen very many, if any, coaches ever be that forthright - usually, it's the old song and dance of "we absolutely have the resources to compete in our conference and against the Big Ten and SEC." The fan base of every college team that has some success will drink the Kool-Aid where they firmly believe that the coach will never leave for greener pastures when rumors come to fruition. That coach will talk about "quality of life", "we're building something special" and "my family loves it here". By January, that coach will be at a press conference in a place like Ann Arbor, South Bend or Gainesville talking about how he "couldn't pass up the opportunity to be a part of such a rich tradition". I'm not saying that Kelly is going to leave, but don't be so naive to buy any talk about "building something special" - that line has been used hundreds of times by coaches with rumors swirling around them and virtually all of them have left.
You guys seem convinced that he is leaving, and you get upset when people give you a reason why he won't leave. But there could easily be a million reasons why he WON'T leave. From having restrictions when it comes to getting players into Notre Dame, unrealistic expectations, a schedule you can't control as coach, etc. At Notre Dame there isn't a conference, so if you don't go to the BCS every year you're going to get heat on you. And if you're coaching at Notre Dame it goes from "Kelly's legacy" to the "Notre Dame legacy". I'm not naive, I just don't fall into the same category of thinking every coach is going to hop and skip to Notre Dame or Michigan. Especially when they're already coaching a national title contender.
If Kelly were to leave, Cincy would hire another very good to great coach. Cincy has hit homeruns with their last two hires.
(11-19-2009 08:02 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote: Doesn't bother me in the least. I'm actually rooting for WVU to lose out. I want Stewther's hotseat on fire.
Would you rather settle for Stew, or see your school conduct another circus of a coaching search?
Good point. The current administration would probably find another way to screw it up. I would prefer a real coaching search with legitimate candidates. I will probably have to wait until 2012 when Pastilong is gone.
If Stew leaves WVU, it'll be voluntary, and they'd probably just shuffle the coaches around. I figure Butch Jones would be the #1 target for the Mountaineers, unless they move Doc Holliday into the head coaching slot. I don't expect it to happen, unless Stew just decides to vacate the job to avert any controversy on the matter. Whatever occurs, it won't be a mess like when DickRod left...
