ND already had the chance to create their own league after miami and v tech left the big east but before BC did and they passed:

Big East
BC
Pro
StJ
SH
Nova
Gtown
ND
Uconn
Syra
Rut
Pitt
W.Virg

throw in navy as a football only member, maybe army too and you got a nice 8/9 team football league in which nd would stand a good chance to win every year.

(04-06-2009 08:25 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-06-2009 07:17 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Just to stir things up why is it ok for ecu,memphis etc to only play FB in the BE but not for ND to play all sports BUT FB ?
I understand that ND could help the BE with its FB "issue" but if they WERE to drop FB tomorrow would that make them less of a "leech"?

I don't want ECU, Memphis, or UCF. The only people who want CUSA schools in The BEast are the CUSA wannabees, and some former CUSA members. REAL BEast members would prefer having traditional eastern football programs join the conference, so that the EAST is truly represented.

Frankly, I'm getting rather tired of all the sh!t from the bickering CUSA @ssholes. Go to the CUSA board and have your expansion threads there!!!

Notre Dame is a leach (note the spelling gosports1), and always has been...

Maybe you ought to get yourself a dictionary before you correct others.Unless of course you mean ND is a vessel use to percolate and not A BLOOD SUCKER
i THINK you'll find def # 2 under noun, leech, is what you're looking for, even in West Virginia
DICTIONARY.COM
leach1 /litʃ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [leech] Show IPA
–verb (used with object) 1. to dissolve out soluble constituents from (ashes, soil, etc.) by percolation.
2. to cause (water or other liquid) to percolate through something.

–verb (used without object) 3. (of ashes, soil, etc.) to undergo the action of percolating water.
4. to percolate, as water.

–noun 5. the act or process of leaching.
6. a product or solution obtained by leaching; leachate.
7. the material leached.
8. a vessel for use in leaching.

leech1 /litʃ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [leech] Show IPA
–noun 1. any bloodsucking or carnivorous aquatic or terrestrial worm of the class Hirudinea, certain freshwater species of which were formerly much used in medicine for bloodletting.
2. a person who clings to another for personal gain, esp. without giving anything in return, and usually with the implication or effect of exhausting the other's resources; parasite.
3. Archaic. an instrument used for drawing blood

(04-07-2009 12:14 PM)bluesox Wrote:  ND already had the chance to create their own league after miami and v tech left the big east but before BC did and they passed:

Big East
BC
Pro
StJ
SH
Nova
Gtown
ND
Uconn
Syra
Rut
Pitt
W.Virg

throw in navy as a football only member, maybe army too and you got a nice 8/9 team football league in which nd would stand a good chance to win every year.

Why would Notre Dame want to be a part of this? If they wanted to be in a regional conference, they'd join the Big 10

ND wants a National image for their football

Don't you guys watch college football?

National Broadcast Conference:

Notre Dame
Purdue
Michigan
Michigan State
USC
Stanford
Boston College
Navy
Pitt

Army, Indiana, and Northwestern have all been members, but got voted out years ago.

(04-07-2009 08:58 AM)EvilVodka1 Wrote:  

(04-06-2009 07:42 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  You said "FSU, Miami, and BC should get to together with Notre Dame and form Conference X."

Which implies to me that if ND would be interested in a conference for all sports, not that they are, you think that somehow FSU, Miami, and BC would be amongst those they would want in it.

I could see BC and possibly Miami (although ND will still want apologies from both probably) and I could definitely see Pitt another team you mention in this conference X. But I just don't see FSU as being part of that equation.

Cheers,
Neil

If Notre Dame were to ever join a conference, I think there would be major concessions by the other programs to let Notre Dame have their way with certain issues...

Of course, with ND there will always need to be "concessions".

Quote:I don't think the conference would expand past 8, allowing ND some flexibility still in scheduling, and I think ND would want as many of the programs that are current fixtures on their yearly slate as conference members as well...so if they could put together a conference with Boston College and Navy, they'd feel more relaxed being in that conference...

That's one way to look at it. Another way, assuming concessions will be given, is that the conference be 12 members - with 6 teams in each divisions.

For the conference record and determination of the BCS Bowls, only the 5 games played intra-divisionally and the one permanent "rival" in the other division count as conference games.

Other teams within the conference can schedule up to two more games with league foes in the other division, but those will be treated as OOC in terms of determining best conference record. This gives ND and purely for conjecture purposes here let's say Penn State the ability to only play 6 conference games and to then schedule 6 other games as they see fit.

Quote:That said, I don't think they'd have any problem with FSU being in the conference...if both FSU and Miami were in the conference, that would mean a trip to Florida every year, which would be nice for recruiting

Perhaps. But ND has always been more interested in mid-Florida (Orlando-Tampa) and southern Florida (Miami) recruiting than in recruiting northwestern Florida (Tallahassee).

Quote:The question is who else would they deem "ok" to have in the conference? They certainly wouldn't be able to pull anyone from the Big 10, PAC 10, or SEC...the only school I can imagine them trying to woo from the Big XII would be Texas...

Again, with the model I am suggesting, they wouldn't have to go to the Pac-10, SEC, or Big 12 to fill out this Conference X. They wouldn't even need to have to go Navy or some of their traditional Big Ten foes such as Michigan, Michigan State or Purdue to fill out. These would simply remain some of the 6 OOC games they would schedule.

Quote:I also think if the conference got rolling, lets say Notre Dame approached Navy and Boston College, and those 3 approached FSU and Miami, then you could pull some programs away from the ACC and Big East...the allure of setting up a conference like this would be to create a conference with a national appeal

IF (and as we both say, this is a Big IF), ND got the itch to have their football in a conference AND if ND just doesn't join the Big Ten (which is a distinct possibility), I'd say the first institution it is likely going to approach is Penn State. The reason? It is simpler to re-shape a current conference than it is to build a brand new one.

And the two together, IF they put their minds to it, could re-shape the Big East into an image they could live with whereas they couldn't do that with either the ACC or the Big Ten.

Quote:Of course, this is all highly unlikely, and I don't truly believe this would ever happen...I do believe there are ways that you could weave Notre Dame into a conference though, because obviously they don't mind all of their other programs being in the Big East...the challenge is integrating their football program, which needs to have scheduling flexibility and a national appeal

Notre Dame, in and of itself, has national appeal. One of the reasons why it values independence for football is because they feel other teams with national appeal have regionalized themselves by playing so many conference games that are exclusively in one region and usually only 2 sub-regions.

There are basically 4 regions in the country for sports purposes, and a total of 9 subregions within those 4 regions.

The Northeast - New England and Mid-Atlantic
North - East North Central and West North Central
South - South Atlantic, East South Central, West South Central
West - Pacific and Mountain

Only 1 BCS conference, with a measly little old 8 teams, covers 5 of those 9 regions.

To fill out the desire for Pacific exposure and West South Central exposure (Texas), the Irish would likely want a limit of 6 conference games.

But this is all fantasyland on both of our parts because the Irish would need to take the lead in either scenario and they have proven over time they are good at individual leadership (getting what they want), but not so good at working well with others.

Cheers,
Neil

When the "Notre Dame" question is finally answered, I think you may see Miami and Boston College back in the Big East along with a lot of other conference changes.

XLance


Nothing major will change in conference alignment until Notre Dame makes their choice.....

(04-08-2009 07:44 AM)XLance Wrote:  Nothing major will change in conference alignment until Notre Dame makes their choice.....

They have, they want to be in the top rated basketball conference and schedule nationally for football. :sly:

Notre Dame needs to get their own life, and not feed off others. Notre Dame is a leach, nothing more...

(04-08-2009 10:32 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 07:44 AM)XLance Wrote:  Nothing major will change in conference alignment until Notre Dame makes their choice.....

They have, they want to be in the top rated basketball conference and schedule nationally for football. :sly:

This is the truth right here, and what omnicarrier said as well...so I suppose the only way Notre Dame would take any sort of initiative is if the Big East split. Right now they've got it good.

Boy this thread has taken a wild ride over the last couple of days..

It's odd that the Boston Globe would bash the ACC. Regardless of how I feel about the admission of Boston College into my conference, I think that it is safe to say that BC has gotten much more from the ACC that the conference has received in return. (how is that for getting back on track?)

(04-08-2009 10:34 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Notre Dame needs to get their own life, and not feed off others. Notre Dame is a leach, nothing more...

(04-08-2009 06:50 PM)XLance Wrote:  It's odd that the Boston Globe would bash the ACC. Regardless of how I feel about the admission of Boston College into my conference, I think that it is safe to say that BC has gotten much more from the ACC that the conference has received in return. (how is that for getting back on track?)

But what would Notre Dame gain? sorry.....

Since the PAC 10 has little interest in expanding, the Big 12 should realize the opportunity and expand to 14 by adding Utah & BYU. Or add those 2 and pay the MAC to take Iowa St and CUSA to take Baylor. The Big 12 w/Utah & BYU is a meatgrinder for football and improved for hoops as well.

(04-07-2009 07:27 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(03-29-2009 09:28 AM)omnicarrier Wrote:  ACC - It May NOT Even Be #2


ACC is losing its elite status



We know without question that the Big East reigns supreme in 2009.

Anyway, the ACC had better stop kidding itself. It may not even be No. 2.

Open mouth.. and insert foot here!!

The ACC is a 2 team league, lost 4 of it's 7 opening round games and 3 of those losses were to much lower seeds:

WF got i's kicked by Cleveland St.
FSU lost to Wisconsin &
Clemson lost to Michigan

Duke also got wacked by a BE team. ACC is living off it's reputation in hoops and floundering in football.

(04-08-2009 06:50 PM)XLance Wrote:  It's odd that the Boston Globe would bash the ACC. Regardless of how I feel about the admission of Boston College into my conference, I think that it is safe to say that BC has gotten much more from the ACC that the conference has received in return. (how is that for getting back on track?)

Yea and it only gets worse from here. I think BC FB benefitted by being the only stable BCS team in the northeast in those first years since the raid. This helped BC build a competitive team.

The difference between Miami in the BE and BC in the ACC is tht Miami was a FB school in a FB state. The BE needed Miami. BC is a college in a pro sports state. If BC isn't winning- who cares. At this point I son't think BC can out recruit the BE up north in FB or BB and certainly not in women's sports.

(04-08-2009 06:50 PM)XLance Wrote:  It's odd that the Boston Globe would bash the ACC. Regardless of how I feel about the admission of Boston College into my conference, I think that it is safe to say that BC has gotten much more from the ACC that the conference has received in return. (how is that for getting back on track?)

If the "much more" you are referring to is $$$, I might agree. But other than $$$, I really don't think the ACC has done much for BC (or Miami, for that matter).

From an ACC fan's perspective, I'd be interested in hearing what you think being in the ACC has done for BC or Miami.

Cheers,
Neil

Part of the problem BC faces in the ACC is that there is no regional interest in the game. What do folks in Boston care about anything folks living south of the Mason-Dixon line do? That where every ACC team resides, except BC. New Englanders are extremely centric...

Even during BC's Doug Flutie years, while Eastern football still ruled and the Lambert Trophy meant something, most of New England barely noticed...

(04-09-2009 09:24 AM)omnicarrier Wrote:  From an ACC fan's perspective, I'd be interested in hearing what you think being in the ACC has done for BC or Miami.

Cheers,
Neil

From this GT's fans perspective.... give them the boot. In all honesty the only reason they were really added was for the 12th team. When VT got involved, the expansion situation changed. When Syracuse and BC both could not be invited, the ACC should have just taken VT and Miami and then taken a few years to look around. The longer that sport was open, the more teams would have wanted to fill it. Honestly, at that time alot of schools would have given thier right leg to fill that spot. The conference just decided to add the team that jumped the highest yelling, "me, me, me."

BC is the definition of a fish out of water. Both culturally and geographically they are out of place in the ACC. The only thing they have in common with other ACC schools is the academic ranking.

The problem does become which school would fit at number 12. My personal choice would have been West Virginia. They fit in the Mid-Atlantic region perfectly with Maryland, UVA, and VT. Along with pick 2 of the NC schools that would have been a very fun and compact division.

(04-09-2009 08:26 AM)frogman Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 06:50 PM)XLance Wrote:  It's odd that the Boston Globe would bash the ACC. Regardless of how I feel about the admission of Boston College into my conference, I think that it is safe to say that BC has gotten much more from the ACC that the conference has received in return. (how is that for getting back on track?)

Yea and it only gets worse from here. I think BC FB benefitted by being the only stable BCS team in the northeast in those first years since the raid. This helped BC build a competitive team.

The difference between Miami in the BE and BC in the ACC is tht Miami was a FB school in a FB state. The BE needed Miami. BC is a college in a pro sports state. If BC isn't winning- who cares. At this point I son't think BC can out recruit the BE up north in FB or BB and certainly not in women's sports.

ya, because recruits are just flocking to go to Syracuse...file this in the stupid file