Texas and TAMU will be in the PAC 10 long before they ever join the SEC. Texas would not deign to cavort with the types of academic institutions that comprise the SEC (Vandy excluded). If they go anywhere it would be to the PAC 10. They and the Big 10 have a pedigree that might make them jump, but not the SEC.

(04-05-2009 11:22 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Texas and TAMU will be in the PAC 10 long before they ever join the SEC. Texas would not deign to cavort with the types of academic institutions that comprise the SEC (Vandy excluded). If they go anywhere it would be to the PAC 10. They and the Big 10 have a pedigree that might make them jump, but not the SEC.

Wrong. This comes from are old AD Frank Broyles. Arkansas,Texas,and Texas A@M had a plan to move to the SEC. Frank had went to Augusta,Georgia to play golf with Roy Kramer and told him that Arkansas would be interested in joining the SEC. Two years later he got the call from Kramer. He went to play golf again in texas with the AD of A@M,and UT. They both told him that if he would move Arkansas to the SEC they would follow,and it would have if not for the Governor and Lt.Governor of texas threating to cut off state funding.

There's no way Texas and Texas A&M would turn down the monies they'd receive as an SEC member, and join the Pac Tin. The Pac Tin doesn't have anywhere near the strength or depth of the SEC, and can't approach the money either...

(04-05-2009 01:54 PM)EvilVodka1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2009 11:49 AM)XLance Wrote:  Evil,
Without Tobacco Road schools, there would be no ACC.

right, keep telling yourself that

I can't believe I'm defending NC-ACC schools , but its true.

Example 1: ACC tourny this year; they sold tickets to gen pop. First time ever. This wouldn't have happened if it was in Gboro/Charlotte

Example 2: ACC FB Champ game; Attendence blows . They are moving it to Charlotte for a reason.

The four schools with the concentrated fan base drives the ACC. Not including how Clemson/UVA/VT are relatively close and GT/UMD aren't too far away either.

Even in Charlotte, if BC make the ACC Championship they won't bring any fans, and I can't see North Carolina fans caring one way or the other about them unless one of the local schools is in the game as well...

I keep trying to get you guys to take BC back......please (miami too).

There sure were a lot of West Virginia fans in Charlotte for the bowl game.......and very well behaved too (sorry you guys have to put up with all of the rumors about behavior....from what I saw they are false).

(04-05-2009 03:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It's true, dummy. The 4 North Carolina schools were the driving force behind the exodus of the original ACC schools from the old Southern Conference in the 1950s. If you aren't aware of that fact, it doesn't surprise me at all...

Its a nice factoid for historical trivia, but has zero relevance to today's sports world

(04-05-2009 06:31 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(04-05-2009 03:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It's true, dummy. The 4 North Carolina schools were the driving force behind the exodus of the original ACC schools from the old Southern Conference in the 1950s. If you aren't aware of that fact, it doesn't surprise me at all...

What does he know. He actually thinks Notre Dame would WANT to be a conference with FSU!?!

Cheers,
Neil

never said that

Its fairly obvious Notre Dame doesn't want to be in a conference period

try reading the full post before you respond

(04-06-2009 04:26 PM)EvilVodka1 Wrote:  Its fairly obvious Notre Dame doesn't want to be in a conference period

I've always said that, and think we should make it obvious to Notre Dame fans as well. Boot them suckers out, and let 'em find another pack mule for their other sports programs. They're leaches...

(04-06-2009 04:38 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-06-2009 04:26 PM)EvilVodka1 Wrote:  Its fairly obvious Notre Dame doesn't want to be in a conference period

I've always said that, and think we should make it obvious to Notre Dame fans as well. Boot them suckers out, and let 'em find another pack mule for their other sports programs. They're leaches...

You are correct. Notre Dame needs to be put in their place. They like to think that they are above all others and need to be reminded that they are the same.

Just to stir things up why is it ok for ecu,memphis etc to only play FB in the BE but not for ND to play all sports BUT FB ?
I understand that ND could help the BE with its FB "issue" but if they WERE to drop FB tomorrow would that make them less of a "leech"?

(04-06-2009 04:26 PM)EvilVodka1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2009 06:31 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(04-05-2009 03:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It's true, dummy. The 4 North Carolina schools were the driving force behind the exodus of the original ACC schools from the old Southern Conference in the 1950s. If you aren't aware of that fact, it doesn't surprise me at all...

What does he know. He actually thinks Notre Dame would WANT to be a conference with FSU!?!

Cheers,
Neil

never said that

Its fairly obvious Notre Dame doesn't want to be in a conference period

try reading the full post before you respond

You said "FSU, Miami, and BC should get to together with Notre Dame and form Conference X."

Which implies to me that if ND would be interested in a conference for all sports, not that they are, you think that somehow FSU, Miami, and BC would be amongst those they would want in it.

I could see BC and possibly Miami (although ND will still want apologies from both probably) and I could definitely see Pitt another team you mention in this conference X. But I just don't see FSU as being part of that equation.

Cheers,
Neil

(04-06-2009 07:17 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Just to stir things up why is it ok for ecu,memphis etc to only play FB in the BE but not for ND to play all sports BUT FB ?

I think most of the remaining posters on this board want either an all-sports league or a smaller more compact hybrid league where the football issues are addressed and there is no need for FB onlies.

Quote:I understand that ND could help the BE with its FB "issue" but if they WERE to drop FB tomorrow would that make them less of a "leech"?

Yes, but they would be foolish to do so.

They couldn't live off of their bb acumen alone.

Cheers,
Neil

(04-06-2009 07:17 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Just to stir things up why is it ok for ecu,memphis etc to only play FB in the BE but not for ND to play all sports BUT FB ?
I understand that ND could help the BE with its FB "issue" but if they WERE to drop FB tomorrow would that make them less of a "leech"?

I don't want ECU, Memphis, or UCF. The only people who want CUSA schools in The BEast are the CUSA wannabees, and some former CUSA members. REAL BEast members would prefer having traditional eastern football programs join the conference, so that the EAST is truly represented.

Frankly, I'm getting rather tired of all the sh!t from the bickering CUSA @ssholes. Go to the CUSA board and have your expansion threads there!!!

Notre Dame is a leach (note the spelling gosports1), and always has been...

(04-06-2009 08:25 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-06-2009 07:17 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Just to stir things up why is it ok for ecu,memphis etc to only play FB in the BE but not for ND to play all sports BUT FB ?
I understand that ND could help the BE with its FB "issue" but if they WERE to drop FB tomorrow would that make them less of a "leech"?

I don't want ECU, Memphis, or UCF. The only people who want CUSA schools in The BEast are the CUSA wannabees, and some former CUSA members. REAL BEast members would prefer having traditional eastern football programs join the conference, so that the EAST is truly represented.

Frankly, I'm getting rather tired of all the sh!t from the bickering CUSA @ssholes. Go to the CUSA board and have your expansion threads there!!!

Notre Dame is a leach (note the spelling gosports1), and always has been...

Not as harsh as what bit just posted but pretty much agree with what he said.

In a best case scenario Notre Dame would come fully aboard but right now I would just assume someone like Georgetown or Nova to move up to DI.

(04-06-2009 07:46 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(04-06-2009 07:17 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Just to stir things up why is it ok for ecu,memphis etc to only play FB in the BE but not for ND to play all sports BUT FB ?

I think most of the remaining posters on this board want either an all-sports league or a smaller more compact hybrid league where the football issues are addressed and there is no need for FB onlies.

I would just assume the current hybrid stay as is but just one of them become the 9th member to address the scheduling issues.

(03-29-2009 09:28 AM)omnicarrier Wrote:  ACC - It May NOT Even Be #2


ACC is losing its elite status



We know without question that the Big East reigns supreme in 2009.

Anyway, the ACC had better stop kidding itself. It may not even be No. 2.

Open mouth.. and insert foot here!!

(04-07-2009 07:27 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(03-29-2009 09:28 AM)omnicarrier Wrote:  ACC - It May NOT Even Be #2


ACC is losing its elite status



We know without question that the Big East reigns supreme in 2009.

Anyway, the ACC had better stop kidding itself. It may not even be No. 2.

Open mouth.. and insert foot here!!

Not really, the ACC had the best team but only went 9-7 in the NCAA with 8 of those wins by UNC and Duke. The BIG EAST on the other hand went 17-7, HUGE difference. Just going by the NCAA the top 2 leagues were the BIG EAST and Big XII.

(04-06-2009 07:42 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(04-06-2009 04:26 PM)EvilVodka1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2009 06:31 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(04-05-2009 03:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It's true, dummy. The 4 North Carolina schools were the driving force behind the exodus of the original ACC schools from the old Southern Conference in the 1950s. If you aren't aware of that fact, it doesn't surprise me at all...

What does he know. He actually thinks Notre Dame would WANT to be a conference with FSU!?!

Cheers,
Neil

never said that

Its fairly obvious Notre Dame doesn't want to be in a conference period

try reading the full post before you respond

You said "FSU, Miami, and BC should get to together with Notre Dame and form Conference X."

Which implies to me that if ND would be interested in a conference for all sports, not that they are, you think that somehow FSU, Miami, and BC would be amongst those they would want in it.

I could see BC and possibly Miami (although ND will still want apologies from both probably) and I could definitely see Pitt another team you mention in this conference X. But I just don't see FSU as being part of that equation.

Cheers,
Neil

If Notre Dame were to ever join a conference, I think there would be major concessions by the other programs to let Notre Dame have their way with certain issues...

I don't think the conference would expand past 8, allowing ND some flexibility still in scheduling, and I think ND would want as many of the programs that are current fixtures on their yearly slate as conference members as well...so if they could put together a conference with Boston College and Navy, they'd feel more relaxed being in that conference...

That said, I don't think they'd have any problem with FSU being in the conference...if both FSU and Miami were in the conference, that would mean a trip to Florida every year, which would be nice for recruiting

The question is who else would they deem "ok" to have in the conference? They certainly wouldn't be able to pull anyone from the Big 10, PAC 10, or SEC...the only school I can imagine them trying to woo from the Big XII would be Texas...

I also think if the conference got rolling, lets say Notre Dame approached Navy and Boston College, and those 3 approached FSU and Miami, then you could pull some programs away from the ACC and Big East...the allure of setting up a conference like this would be to create a conference with a national appeal

Of course, this is all highly unlikely, and I don't truly believe this would ever happen...I do believe there are ways that you could weave Notre Dame into a conference though, because obviously they don't mind all of their other programs being in the Big East...the challenge is integrating their football program, which needs to have scheduling flexibility and a national appeal[/u]

(04-07-2009 08:58 AM)EvilVodka1 Wrote:  

(04-06-2009 07:42 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(04-06-2009 04:26 PM)EvilVodka1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2009 06:31 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(04-05-2009 03:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It's true, dummy. The 4 North Carolina schools were the driving force behind the exodus of the original ACC schools from the old Southern Conference in the 1950s. If you aren't aware of that fact, it doesn't surprise me at all...

What does he know. He actually thinks Notre Dame would WANT to be a conference with FSU!?!

Cheers,
Neil

never said that

Its fairly obvious Notre Dame doesn't want to be in a conference period

try reading the full post before you respond

You said "FSU, Miami, and BC should get to together with Notre Dame and form Conference X."

Which implies to me that if ND would be interested in a conference for all sports, not that they are, you think that somehow FSU, Miami, and BC would be amongst those they would want in it.

I could see BC and possibly Miami (although ND will still want apologies from both probably) and I could definitely see Pitt another team you mention in this conference X. But I just don't see FSU as being part of that equation.

Cheers,
Neil

If Notre Dame were to ever join a conference, I think there would be major concessions by the other programs to let Notre Dame have their way with certain issues...

I don't think the conference would expand past 8, allowing ND some flexibility still in scheduling, and I think ND would want as many of the programs that are current fixtures on their yearly slate as conference members as well...so if they could put together a conference with Boston College and Navy, they'd feel more relaxed being in that conference...

That said, I don't think they'd have any problem with FSU being in the conference...if both FSU and Miami were in the conference, that would mean a trip to Florida every year, which would be nice for recruiting

The question is who else would they deem "ok" to have in the conference? They certainly wouldn't be able to pull anyone from the Big 10, PAC 10, or SEC...the only school I can imagine them trying to woo from the Big XII would be Texas...

I also think if the conference got rolling, lets say Notre Dame approached Navy and Boston College, and those 3 approached FSU and Miami, then you could pull some programs away from the ACC and Big East...the allure of setting up a conference like this would be to create a conference with a national appeal

Of course, this is all highly unlikely, and I don't truly believe this would ever happen...I do believe there are ways that you could weave Notre Dame into a conference though, because obviously they don't mind all of their other programs being in the Big East...the challenge is integrating their football program, which needs to have scheduling flexibility and a national appeal[/u]

Aight under your scenerio things could look like this. This was very hard for me to stop at 8. So I went to 10. Still a quality conference. An addition of Cincinnati and Loiusville would make sense to me. I don't see this happening. Bringing in USF, UL and UC and just leave them high and try doesn't seem plausible.

Notre Dame
Navy
Boston College
Miami
Florida St
Maryland
Pitt
Rutgers
Syracuse
WVU

(04-07-2009 09:04 AM)animus Wrote:  

(04-07-2009 08:58 AM)EvilVodka1 Wrote:  

(04-06-2009 07:42 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(04-06-2009 04:26 PM)EvilVodka1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2009 06:31 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(04-05-2009 03:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It's true, dummy. The 4 North Carolina schools were the driving force behind the exodus of the original ACC schools from the old Southern Conference in the 1950s. If you aren't aware of that fact, it doesn't surprise me at all...

What does he know. He actually thinks Notre Dame would WANT to be a conference with FSU!?!

Cheers,
Neil

never said that

Its fairly obvious Notre Dame doesn't want to be in a conference period

try reading the full post before you respond

You said "FSU, Miami, and BC should get to together with Notre Dame and form Conference X."

Which implies to me that if ND would be interested in a conference for all sports, not that they are, you think that somehow FSU, Miami, and BC would be amongst those they would want in it.

I could see BC and possibly Miami (although ND will still want apologies from both probably) and I could definitely see Pitt another team you mention in this conference X. But I just don't see FSU as being part of that equation.

Cheers,
Neil

If Notre Dame were to ever join a conference, I think there would be major concessions by the other programs to let Notre Dame have their way with certain issues...

I don't think the conference would expand past 8, allowing ND some flexibility still in scheduling, and I think ND would want as many of the programs that are current fixtures on their yearly slate as conference members as well...so if they could put together a conference with Boston College and Navy, they'd feel more relaxed being in that conference...

That said, I don't think they'd have any problem with FSU being in the conference...if both FSU and Miami were in the conference, that would mean a trip to Florida every year, which would be nice for recruiting

The question is who else would they deem "ok" to have in the conference? They certainly wouldn't be able to pull anyone from the Big 10, PAC 10, or SEC...the only school I can imagine them trying to woo from the Big XII would be Texas...

I also think if the conference got rolling, lets say Notre Dame approached Navy and Boston College, and those 3 approached FSU and Miami, then you could pull some programs away from the ACC and Big East...the allure of setting up a conference like this would be to create a conference with a national appeal

Of course, this is all highly unlikely, and I don't truly believe this would ever happen...I do believe there are ways that you could weave Notre Dame into a conference though, because obviously they don't mind all of their other programs being in the Big East...the challenge is integrating their football program, which needs to have scheduling flexibility and a national appeal[/u]

Aight under your scenerio things could look like this. This was very hard for me to stop at 8. So I went to 10. Still a quality conference. An addition of Cincinnati and Loiusville would make sense to me. I don't see this happening. Bringing in USF, UL and UC and just leave them high and try doesn't seem plausible.

Notre Dame
Navy
Boston College
Miami
Florida St
Maryland
Pitt
Rutgers
Syracuse
WVU

Going to 10, I would think Notre Dame might start having a problem with the # of OOC games...