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I've always had a dark, masochistic side...maybe I could audition?

(01-07-2009 10:16 AM)calerablazerfan Wrote:  I guess I could be your whipping boy because I am ready for a change in the coaching situation

Truth be told there are a lot of people here that I think are ready for a new coach, but they don't want to say anything publicly because

a) they fear losing connections that they have or think they have.
b) they think that criticism means lack of support for the school.
c) they don't want to criticize in the middle of a season where all is not lost yet
d) they don't like the taste of crow

Also, there are some like me who think this is the absolutely worse time in the world to be changing coaches. The transition would kill us for several years because we have no strong players returning next year.

If you truly want to be a whipping boy, your best bet is to wait until the end of the year and then come out as pro-Davis as you can stand. I imagine that will get people all over you.

Haha! MB is spot-on.

(01-07-2009 09:32 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  When you want to continue working somewhere, but you are not retained, and someone else takes your job- you got fired. Calling it something else is just AD/Administration speak like I mentioned earlier. For instance- the guys down at Auburn can say all they want, Tuberville got fired. Likewise, Murray wanted to continue coaching at UAB, but instead Mike Anderson was coaching the next season. Murray got fired. Sacked. Sh*tcanned. Whatever.

Wrong. Murry was owed ZERO dollars when he left UAB. Same for Watson. THAT is the difference between fired (we would rather pay you to leave than keep you) and not retained/rehired.

Its obvious that mid-season is not the time for change. Though its apparent that I am not a big CMD fan I certainly want him to stay to the end of the year but no longer. I am ready for the change cuz I am tired of the the up and downs of his rhetoric. I see a significant amount of effort from Marsh at the bench and tantrums from others. I see some true BLAZER players getting chewed out and others never getting the reprimand despite the extremely bad turn-overs. I get tired of hearing V, V, V, and would rather hear PDIII, PDIII, PDIII. In my heart, I know that others can see what is happening and have opinions that they fear to voice but who cares. We all pay to be fans whether we can afford to be season ticket holders, car tag buyers or catch that game on HDTV. I love the School first and the athletics second. The School overall deserves the dedication of eligibility and our money going to those scholarships. A few hard knocks are ok but our School deserves the best even if we dont win. Anderson years prove that the most talented are not necessary to achieve greatness.

(01-07-2009 10:43 AM)MC Blazer Wrote:  

(01-07-2009 09:32 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  When you want to continue working somewhere, but you are not retained, and someone else takes your job- you got fired. Calling it something else is just AD/Administration speak like I mentioned earlier. For instance- the guys down at Auburn can say all they want, Tuberville got fired. Likewise, Murray wanted to continue coaching at UAB, but instead Mike Anderson was coaching the next season. Murray got fired. Sacked. Sh*tcanned. Whatever.

Wrong. Murry was owed ZERO dollars when he left UAB. Same for Watson. THAT is the difference between fired (we would rather pay you to leave than keep you) and not retained/rehired.

Would "Forced out" satisfy your sensitivity to this subject? You can call it what you want to. We all know what it was.

(01-07-2009 10:44 AM)calerablazerfan Wrote:  Its obvious that mid-season is not the time for change. Though its apparent that I am not a big CMD fan I certainly want him to stay to the end of the year but no longer. I am ready for the change cuz I am tired of the the up and downs of his rhetoric. I see a significant amount of effort from Marsh at the bench and tantrums from others. I see some true BLAZER players getting chewed out and others never getting the reprimand despite the extremely bad turn-overs. I get tired of hearing V, V, V, and would rather hear PDIII, PDIII, PDIII. In my heart, I know that others can see what is happening and have opinions that they fear to voice but who cares. We all pay to be fans whether we can afford to be season ticket holders, car tag buyers or catch that game on HDTV. I love the School first and the athletics second. The School overall deserves the dedication of eligibility and our money going to those scholarships. A few hard knocks are ok but our School deserves the best even if we dont win. Anderson years prove that the most talented are not necessary to achieve greatness.

First when I say "at this time" I'm not talking about midseason. I'm talking about at the end of this year. With so many seniors leaving, if Davis leaves, there will likely be a few others leaving, as there usually are with a coaching change. If Davis leaves, our recruiting this year is in the tank and with no strong players coming back next year, we are cellar dwellars for several years, no matter who comes in as coach.

Second, everybody who plays on our team are "true Blazers". It does not matter who recruited them. The players we have including Vaden, Jr. and AJ have worked hard to be an eligible player. Don't knock them. Most of the talk about Vaden is coming from the media, because they are just following preseason reports and are too lazy to see what is actually happening. I don't hear Davis talking Vaden much these days.

MB Wrote:If Davis leaves, our recruiting this year is in the tank and with no strong players coming back next year, we are cellar dwellars for several years, no matter who comes in as coach.

(01-07-2009 11:57 AM)FNblazer Wrote:  

MB Wrote:If Davis leaves, our recruiting this year is in the tank and with no strong players coming back next year, we are cellar dwellars for several years, no matter who comes in as coach.

and that is the dilemma. Do you fire a coach for putting you in that situation even though keeping him might keep you out of that situation.

(01-07-2009 11:42 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(01-07-2009 10:43 AM)MC Blazer Wrote:  

(01-07-2009 09:32 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  When you want to continue working somewhere, but you are not retained, and someone else takes your job- you got fired. Calling it something else is just AD/Administration speak like I mentioned earlier. For instance- the guys down at Auburn can say all they want, Tuberville got fired. Likewise, Murray wanted to continue coaching at UAB, but instead Mike Anderson was coaching the next season. Murray got fired. Sacked. Sh*tcanned. Whatever.

Wrong. Murry was owed ZERO dollars when he left UAB. Same for Watson. THAT is the difference between fired (we would rather pay you to leave than keep you) and not retained/rehired.

Would "Forced out" satisfy your sensitivity to this subject? You can call it what you want to. We all know what it was.

The truth would suffice: UAB has NEVER fired a men's head basketball or football coach for cause.
UAB has never bought out the contract of a men's head basketball or football coach.
Murry and Watson may have been forced out, but that message was sent via no contract extension.
Coach Davis just had his contract extended, so he does not fit this scenario.

So what convinces you or anyone that UAB is about to set historical precedent?

Man this season sure has ended up in ways I never expected.

(01-06-2009 07:43 PM)Blzer4Life Wrote:  I nominate Blaze4Prez.

I've already broken him in a bit and seems he will at least be a good sport about it...

Woah, wait, what?!?! I haven't posted any 'Bama related videos; thus, I am ineligible to be the "whipping boy." Plus, I'm not into whips and chains.

Agreed, but:

1) the season ain't over.

2) a train wreck is hyperbole.

A better analogy would be that in this military campaign, we have lost more battles than we thought we would have, some successful battles have been closer than we thought they would have been, and we have taken on too many casualties. To salvage the campaign victory, we need our general to do more with less, and he has yet to be truly tested in this regard. Many doubt his ability and lack confidence, while sitting comfortably outside of harm's way.

Support our troops!

Let's stay supportive, optimistic and positive until the campaign is over...nothing can or will be done until then any way...so enjoy what you can and relish being a fan, knowing we can't win every battle. For those of you that want to give up, you are just causing yourself more misery than is necessary. It is self-inflicted, and I for one don't care to hear you whine about it here.

(01-07-2009 12:25 PM)legalblazer Wrote:  Man this season sure has ended up in ways I never expected.

(01-07-2009 10:43 AM)MC Blazer Wrote:  

(01-07-2009 09:32 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  When you want to continue working somewhere, but you are not retained, and someone else takes your job- you got fired. Calling it something else is just AD/Administration speak like I mentioned earlier. For instance- the guys down at Auburn can say all they want, Tuberville got fired. Likewise, Murray wanted to continue coaching at UAB, but instead Mike Anderson was coaching the next season. Murray got fired. Sacked. Sh*tcanned. Whatever.

Wrong. Murry was owed ZERO dollars when he left UAB. Same for Watson. THAT is the difference between fired (we would rather pay you to leave than keep you) and not retained/rehired.

That is the most asinine argument. But OK, you win, we didn't 'fire' Murray. We just told him to 'pack your stuff and leave because we don't want you coaching our team anymore.' Big, big difference. Huge.

I checked a thesaurus. Which one of these verbs can we use MC?
ax
boot
can
discharge
drop
eject
expel
give marching orders
give notice
give the pink slip
hand walking papers
kick out
lay off
let go
oust
sack
terminate

Pick one. Doesn't matter to me, I just want to make sure we get the terminology right.

So when someone works out their contract, be it coaching or plumbing, and you decide that you no longer have a job for them to do and thus do not contract them to continue doing a job, are you firing them?

I don't think so.

Legally, I'm if your contract is not renewed, you are not considered "fired".

When you are a coach and the school you coach for does not renew your contract, but continues to play the sport and hires a new coach... you might as well consider yourself fired.

Murry and Watson were "given notice" that their contracts would not be renewed or extended. They were not separated from service due insubordination, violating rules, misappropriation of funds, or any of the other "causes" associated with a firing. Seriously, you went to UAB, get your vocabulary from somewhere other than Sportscenter.

Bates, you are hysterical

(01-07-2009 01:53 PM)BatesUAB Wrote:  

(01-07-2009 10:43 AM)MC Blazer Wrote:  

(01-07-2009 09:32 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  When you want to continue working somewhere, but you are not retained, and someone else takes your job- you got fired. Calling it something else is just AD/Administration speak like I mentioned earlier. For instance- the guys down at Auburn can say all they want, Tuberville got fired. Likewise, Murray wanted to continue coaching at UAB, but instead Mike Anderson was coaching the next season. Murray got fired. Sacked. Sh*tcanned. Whatever.

Wrong. Murry was owed ZERO dollars when he left UAB. Same for Watson. THAT is the difference between fired (we would rather pay you to leave than keep you) and not retained/rehired.

That is the most asinine argument. But OK, you win, we didn't 'fire' Murray. We just told him to 'pack your stuff and leave because we don't want you coaching our team anymore.' Big, big difference. Huge.

I checked a thesaurus. Which one of these verbs can we use MC?
ax
boot
can
discharge
drop
eject
expel
give marching orders
give notice
give the pink slip
hand walking papers
kick out
lay off
let go
oust
sack
terminate

Pick one. Doesn't matter to me, I just want to make sure we get the terminology right.

How about "outsourced" or "right sized"?

I support CMD. But that is not to say I am satisfied.
My puzzle goes back to the CUSA -Memphis Invitational last year.
It was difficult to watch and understand. Why? How? Huh?
Those games just looked winable.

C'mon coach, show us the CUSA trophy!