joebordenrebel Wrote:Dear Mssr. Torch,
You wrote:
"In short, no I do not think it's lame. (And how do you justify forcing this particular moral code on others?)"
I wouldn't argue that self-determination is "enforcing" any particular sort of moral code on anybody.
Of course not, it's your assertion. (Duh. Does anybody understand logic these days? No, logic doesn't sell advertising in Salon, etc.) The point is, your anarchy is internally inconsistent.
Quote:If you deny my right as a gay man to marry, then aren't you adversely affecting my freedom?
Yes. And if I deny you your "right" to run red lights, drive drunk, or sit in a clock tower sniping students, I am adversely affecting your freedom.
Laws do that in general. That's not the discussion (it is your typical straw man argument from someone who doesn't know a sound argument.)
The discussion is: is a given law "reasonable". Of course reasonable has to be defined, and not inflicting harm on others is a broadly accepted start. But, how that mechanism occurs (of if it truly occurs) is usually a big part of the discussion.
Quote:Isn't that the fundamental fascist impulse? To control everyone? To have them conform to what you think is right?
Isn't using emotional rhetoric another fallacious argument? That's two...
Quote:"Gay marriage denegrates traditional marriage."
How so?
I posted a link for
one example. If you're truly interested you'd read the answer when it's given to you on a silver platter. But, it's so much easier to criticize than do real research, isn't it?
Quote:"The homosexual agenda causes confusion among adolescents."
How so? Again, you make many assertions with no evidence whatsoever to back them up.
Again, I posted another link to provide evidence. Seems like you're making the unfounded assertions. Logical fallacy #3...
Quote:Most adolescents I know aren't confused in the slightest about human sexuality.
'Data' is not the plural of anecdotes. And what qualifications do you have discussing this private issue w/ adolescents? And why, once again, do you avoid reading links that provide the evidence you ask for?
Quote:"And certainly teaching about it in public schools would affect my children."
Teaching what? The so-called "homosexual agenda"?
For someone who is so fervent for individual's rights, you sure back down quickly when it's not the "right" you want enforced.
Quote:"Moreover, check the actuarial tables, homosexual relationships have far more incidents of disease, violence and early death."
Please provide these actuarial tables, Herr Doktor. I'd love to see them.
Why, you don't read the links I've posted. Read the literature, the average life expectancy for a homosexual is decades lower than for a heterosexual.
That was checkmate. You couldn't even defend your position, you simply questioned mine while avoiding all research.