Cusa should add ga state and Arkansas state than break off into 2 divisions that have little cross over other than tournaments. The concept could go up to 20 teams before any split would occur.

(04-16-2017 02:28 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:04 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 11:56 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Maybe all you Big stadium, Big attendance, No market football schools should make your own G5 conference??

Ark St, Louisiana Tech, S Miss, ECU, Marshall, JMU ... who else?

UL Lafayette and UTEP would fit that bill.

You need to drop La Tech & JMU from any big attendance talk. If you're going on big attendance it's clear who is missing.

So Miss - 28,500
App State - 26,200
Marshall - 24,800
UTEP - 23,000
A State - 22,700
Troy - 22,500
Rice - 21 900
GA So - 20,800
La Tech - 20,400
JMU - 19,850

This.

Take the schools with fans and leave the remainder.

I'd probably sub in Old Dominion over UTEP because of distance.

Louisiana over JMU as they have a 40,000 seat football stadium.

(04-17-2017 09:29 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Cusa should add ga state and Arkansas state than break off into 2 divisions that have little cross over other than tournaments. The concept could go up to 20 teams before any split would occur.

You just took my idea!!! I wrote that 5 minutes ago! Good idea.

(04-17-2017 09:21 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If CUSA offered Arkansas St (to the West) and Georgia St (to the East) making it 2, 8 team conferences essentially, do you think either of those two schools would leave the Belch?
The Belch would be at 8 and could add NMSU and Liberty to get to 10...or just stay at 8.

Bumped for bluesox. They'd be better off playing only 7 conference games (if that's allowed) with 0 crossover games. Get an extra payday game for program survival reasons out of a 5 game OOC schedule.

Nice idea. It would mean a little reduction in pay though and maybe less access to the NCAA tourney . Yet, it would make the cusa tourney more fun. Jumping to 18 with Missouri state and ULL could work

(04-17-2017 09:31 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 02:28 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:04 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 11:56 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Maybe all you Big stadium, Big attendance, No market football schools should make your own G5 conference??

Ark St, Louisiana Tech, S Miss, ECU, Marshall, JMU ... who else?

UL Lafayette and UTEP would fit that bill.

You need to drop La Tech & JMU from any big attendance talk. If you're going on big attendance it's clear who is missing.

So Miss - 28,500
App State - 26,200
Marshall - 24,800
UTEP - 23,000
A State - 22,700
Troy - 22,500
Rice - 21 900
GA So - 20,800
La Tech - 20,400
JMU - 19,850

This.

Take the schools with fans and leave the remainder.

I'd probably sub in Old Dominion over UTEP because of distance.

Louisiana over JMU as they have a 40,000 seat football stadium.

Not pushing this group as much as just debunking the notion LaTech & JMU have larger attendance numbers than some others.

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(04-17-2017 09:21 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If CUSA offered Arkansas St (to the West) and Georgia St (to the East) making it 2, 8 team conferences essentially, do you think either of those two schools would leave the Belch?
The Belch would be at 8 and could add NMSU and Liberty to get to 10...or just stay at 8.

I would throw out the dead weights and add the best FCS schools with better attendance.
Remove:
North Texas
Georgia State
La.-Monroe
FIU
FAU
Charlotte

Add:James Madison
Delaware
Any FCS that have better attendance than the dead weight schools from the SEC and C-USA.

(04-17-2017 09:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 09:21 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If CUSA offered Arkansas St (to the West) and Georgia St (to the East) making it 2, 8 team conferences essentially, do you think either of those two schools would leave the Belch?
The Belch would be at 8 and could add NMSU and Liberty to get to 10...or just stay at 8.

I would throw out the dead weights and add the best FCS schools with better attendance.
Remove:
North Texas 19,878
Georgia State 15,103
La.-Monroe 13,413
FIU 16,789
FAU 10,073
Charlotte 14,192

Add:James Madison
Delaware
Any FCS that have better attendance than the dead weight schools from the SEC and C-USA.

You should really look up some numbers before posting things like this. I went ahead and added last seasons attendance numbers next to each team you listed. As you can see, North Texas does not belong on your list of dead weight.

Just for reference... Here is C-USA's attendance numbers from last season, along with the teams that went bowling. I put the western division teams and attendance in bold. You can see North Texas fairs well against the rest of the conference.

(W) Southern Miss 28,588 (Bowl)
(E) Marshall 24,760
(W) UTSA 23,038 (Bowl)
(W) UTEP 23,001
(W) Rice 21,425
(W) LA Tech 20,412 (Bowl)
(E) ODU 20,118 (Bowl)
(W) North Texas 19,878 (Bowl)
(E) WKU 17,705 (Bowl)
(E) Middle Tenn 17,243 (Bowl)
(E) FIU 16,789
(E) Charlotte 14,192
(E) FAU 10,073

North Texas' attendance numbers finished in the middle of the conference. That is respectable.

I will also note that North Texas was one of the 7 C-USA bowl teams last season. That was our second bowl appearance in the four seasons we have played in C-USA. North Texas is a solid football member of C-USA.

(04-17-2017 07:59 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 12:29 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 08:03 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 06:14 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:27 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Says the guy from a school that can't get 10,000 to show up for a game.

Says the guy from the school that can't pay to remove a damn track.



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That's the best you've got? That track didn't keep us from averaging over 26,000 the past 10 years. Paying to remove it has never been the issue, finding enough flat ground to relocte it was. However, in case you missed it that issue has been remedied and the next time you guys roll into Boone you won't have to look at it.

Moving right along...

Would be great if we get to split away fro m geniuses like you.

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Nothing of substance to stand on? Start hurling insults. Typical.

No seriously.. I hope end up in a conference far away from you...

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(04-17-2017 09:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 09:21 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If CUSA offered Arkansas St (to the West) and Georgia St (to the East) making it 2, 8 team conferences essentially, do you think either of those two schools would leave the Belch?
The Belch would be at 8 and could add NMSU and Liberty to get to 10...or just stay at 8.

I would throw out the dead weights and add the best FCS schools with better attendance.
Remove:
North Texas
Georgia State
La.-Monroe
FIU
FAU
Charlotte

Add:James Madison
Delaware
Any FCS that have better attendance than the dead weight schools from the SEC and C-USA.

Yes PLEASE. We worse UAB as well. LOL

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(04-17-2017 09:21 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If CUSA offered Arkansas St (to the West) and Georgia St (to the East) making it 2, 8 team conferences essentially, do you think either of those two schools would leave the Belch?
The Belch would be at 8 and could add NMSU and Liberty to get to 10...or just stay at 8.

I don't see that being worth a $2 million investment and that is assuming CUSA waived the entry fee but it at least keeps us playing in Alabama. That's a 20 year cost recovery.

(04-17-2017 09:21 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If CUSA offered Arkansas St (to the West) and Georgia St (to the East) making it 2, 8 team conferences essentially, do you think either of those two schools would leave the Belch?
The Belch would be at 8 and could add NMSU and Liberty to get to 10...or just stay at 8.

Very tough call. 2 Years ago I'd have said that's a "no brainer". Maybe even last year. Right now I'm not so sure we would. I personally have always wanted to share a conference with UAB and Charlotte, but having spent time playing App, Southern, Troy, and USA I feel like we have something cohesive and special going on. I think I'd rather swap Texas St for Charlotte, UAB, and USM and let the outliers be. The SBC can be the nucleus and CUSA can truly be CUSA.

(04-17-2017 10:41 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 07:59 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 12:29 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 08:03 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 06:14 PM)panama Wrote:  Says the guy from the school that can't pay to remove a damn track.



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That's the best you've got? That track didn't keep us from averaging over 26,000 the past 10 years. Paying to remove it has never been the issue, finding enough flat ground to relocte it was. However, in case you missed it that issue has been remedied and the next time you guys roll into Boone you won't have to look at it.

Moving right along...

Would be great if we get to split away fro m geniuses like you.

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Nothing of substance to stand on? Start hurling insults. Typical.

No seriously.. I hope end up in a conference far away from you...

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Hoping you get your wish!

Do you think folks from your marketing dept will be at the College Football HOF giving away tickets to our game again this year? If so I may just wait before I buy and save myself $20.

(04-17-2017 10:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I don't see that being worth a $2 million investment and that is assuming CUSA waived the entry fee but it at least keeps us playing in Alabama. That's a 20 year cost recovery.

Wouldn't be worth it to play LT, USM, Rice, Marshall? Or at least teams that Ark St fans should be familiar with, UNT, WKU, MTSU?

(04-16-2017 12:27 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 08:48 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 06:59 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 02:28 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:04 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  UL Lafayette and UTEP would fit that bill.

You need to drop La Tech & JMU from any big attendance talk. If you're going on big attendance it's clear who is missing.

So Miss - 28,500
App State - 26,200
Marshall - 24,800
UTEP - 23,000
A State - 22,700
Troy - 22,500
Rice - 21 900
GA So - 20,800
La Tech - 20,400
JMU - 19,850

None of that is big attendance

This

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Says the guy from a school that can't get 10,000 to show up for a game.

You rang?

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(04-18-2017 06:28 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 09:21 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If CUSA offered Arkansas St (to the West) and Georgia St (to the East) making it 2, 8 team conferences essentially, do you think either of those two schools would leave the Belch?
The Belch would be at 8 and could add NMSU and Liberty to get to 10...or just stay at 8.

Very tough call. 2 Years ago I'd have said that's a "no brainer". Maybe even last year. Right now I'm not so sure we would. I personally have always wanted to share a conference with UAB and Charlotte, but having spent time playing App, Southern, Troy, and USA I feel like we have something cohesive and special going on. I think I'd rather swap Texas St for Charlotte, UAB, and USM and let the outliers be. The SBC can be the nucleus and CUSA can truly be CUSA.

I still like Arkansas St in CUSA West and Georgia St in CUSA East.
I can see CUSA surviving as 2 8 team conferences to save money on travel costs. The two schools I see as obvious ones to snag from The Belch are Arkansas St and Georgia St as they fill in the gaps and Arky St has a big budget and Georgia St has a new stadium. Plus they both have great non-directional names. The Belch could stay at 8, to get more OOC payday games. That's 5 OOC games and 2 pay day games for Belch member and cash strapped Louisiana Monroe. Win win for CUSA and The Belch IMO.

(04-20-2017 12:39 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:27 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 08:48 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 06:59 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 02:28 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  You need to drop La Tech & JMU from any big attendance talk. If you're going on big attendance it's clear who is missing.

So Miss - 28,500
App State - 26,200
Marshall - 24,800
UTEP - 23,000
A State - 22,700
Troy - 22,500
Rice - 21 900
GA So - 20,800
La Tech - 20,400
JMU - 19,850

None of that is big attendance

This

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Says the guy from a school that can't get 10,000 to show up for a game.

You rang?

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What has happened to this program? Three years ago you're playing in the Orange Bowl and pimping for a invite to the Big XII. In 2016 you go 5-7 and average 11,000 a game.

(04-20-2017 03:13 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 12:39 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:27 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 08:48 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 06:59 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  None of that is big attendance

This

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You rang?

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What has happened to this program? Three years ago you're playing in the Orange Bowl and pimping for a invite to the Big XII. In 2016 you go 5-7 and average 11,000 a game.

Poor recruiting, a coach who seems in over his head, jordan lynch and chandler harnish not being there to bail out a predictable and exploitable offense, etc.

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When Kill, Claeys, and Limegrover were at NIU, was it Kill's offense or Limegrover's offense?

First thing Claeys did when Kill retired, was fire Limegrover as offensive coordinator.

I see Arkansas State and Georgia Southern in the C-USA as 16 teams. Georgia State is too green in football, and C-USA already have 3 schools that are newer in football already in Old Dominion, UTSA and Charlotte. Only two of them shows signs that they could compete with the big boys.

For the Sun Belt Conference? They will balk at the idea of Liberty and New Mexico State. If I were SBC? I would approach Missouri State and James Madison again. I do think Missouri State will accept the invite today which could kill MVC even more, and if James Madison still refuses waiting for a C-USA invite? I would go with Eastern Kentucky or check with Chattanooga again.