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Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
This 14 member behemoth just seems to be too big and unwieldily and sent delivering the kind of tv contract the old line up did. I think it's time to consider splitting the east and west apart and having each side pick up 3 additional members to create two 10 member leagues.

Possible additions
WEST: UL Lafayette, Arkansas St, Texas St (others include NMSU and S Alabama)
EAST: James Madison, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, App St, S Alabama

i don't think the current continuity rules would prohibit both sides from autobids.
03-18-2017 08:48 AM
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-18-2017 08:48 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  This 14 member behemoth just seems to be too big and unwieldily and sent delivering the kind of tv contract the old line up did. I think it's time to consider splitting the east and west apart and having each side pick up 3 additional members to create two 10 member leagues.

Possible additions
WEST: UL Lafayette, Arkansas St, Texas St (others include NMSU and S Alabama)
EAST: James Madison, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, App St, S Alabama

i don't think the current continuity rules would prohibit both sides from autobids.

You need to finish waking up. Those are not CUSA teams.
03-18-2017 08:53 AM
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-18-2017 08:53 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 08:48 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  This 14 member behemoth just seems to be too big and unwieldily and sent delivering the kind of tv contract the old line up did. I think it's time to consider splitting the east and west apart and having each side pick up 3 additional members to create two 10 member leagues.

Possible additions
WEST: UL Lafayette, Arkansas St, Texas St (others include NMSU and S Alabama)
EAST: James Madison, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, App St, S Alabama

i don't think the current continuity rules would prohibit both sides from autobids.

You need to finish waking up. Those are not CUSA teams.

Those are his suggested additions for each side of CUSA to get to 10.
03-18-2017 09:06 AM
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
I don't see split as the answer because of the basketball auto bid and football revenue sharing that follow the CUSA entity. But I do think we will see more creative scheduling that reduces travel costs, and that may even morph into two more schools (even non-football) willing to join (maybe for no share of the football revenues if they are non-football schools to reduce Olympic sports travel cost).

West core group starts with Louisiana Tech, North Texas, Rice, UTEP and UTSA. East core group has Charlotte, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Marshall, and Old Dominion. The two adds depend on how the central programs (Middle Tennessee, Southern Miss, UAB, and Western Kentucky) prefer to align. And that seems to be the main issue in the splitting talk. If Middle Tennessee, UAB, and Western Kentucky prefer to stay together and go East, football adds are back on the table to complete the West. Which two programs are attractive to Southern Miss in the West? Louisiana is obvious. Maybe this is how Arkansas State finally gets a look, but would they jump?
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
Most on this board would say yes to the idea of a CUSA split.

There are some problems which I am going to list:

1) CFP contract is for CUSA and not any other new conference that will be formed. This can be adjusted potentially but that is a risk of splitting. The contract is good yet for 9 more seasons so its going to be a while.

2) By the end of the B12 TV deal there may be some realignment. This realignment could give opportunities for schools like SoMiss, WKU and ODU to find a space in the AAC. Do you bother with splitting if the end game is to jump?

3) Where is the value in CUSA anyways? Is there value in creating a better basketball grouping or a better football grouping? I feel like it makes sense to focus on basketball and take in only 1 of the new Florida schools. Perhaps bring in Georgia State because of the media market and basketball.

Marshall
Old Dominion
Western Ky
Middle Tenn
Charlotte
Georgia State
UAB
Florida International

8 team conference that requires a smaller revenue split from the NCAA and CFP.

The SBC would be down to 9 and CUSA down to 6. Nobody in the SBC is going to move to CUSA at that point. SBC could instead invite FAU, SoMiss and UTSA into their conference. SBC has a good football brand these days.

That would leave UTEP, Rice and LaTech as independents. They can play with themselves, New Mexico State and BYU as a group of western independents.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
I think some of the western schools would want to join the eastern schools instead of the Texas schools like la tech, s miss and UAB. Not to mention utep and rice might want to join the mwc or aac so the west break off seems shaky. Cusa probably would be better off expanding to 16 with Arkansas state and Georgia state to see how that works before splitting.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-18-2017 09:49 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Most on this board would say yes to the idea of a CUSA split.

There are some problems which I am going to list:

1) CFP contract is for CUSA and not any other new conference that will be formed. This can be adjusted potentially but that is a risk of splitting. The contract is good yet for 9 more seasons so its going to be a while.

2) By the end of the B12 TV deal there may be some realignment. This realignment could give opportunities for schools like SoMiss, WKU and ODU to find a space in the AAC. Do you bother with splitting if the end game is to jump?

3) Where is the value in CUSA anyways? Is there value in creating a better basketball grouping or a better football grouping? I feel like it makes sense to focus on basketball and take in only 1 of the new Florida schools. Perhaps bring in Georgia State because of the media market and basketball.

Marshall
Old Dominion
Western Ky
Middle Tenn
Charlotte
Georgia State
UAB
Florida International

8 team conference that requires a smaller revenue split from the NCAA and CFP.

The SBC would be down to 9 and CUSA down to 6. Nobody in the SBC is going to move to CUSA at that point. SBC could instead invite FAU, SoMiss and UTSA into their conference. SBC has a good football brand these days.

That would leave UTEP, Rice and LaTech as independents. They can play with themselves, New Mexico State and BYU as a group of western independents.

There may be some expanding after the B12 contract is up but it won't be the b12 expanding.
03-18-2017 10:15 AM
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-18-2017 10:15 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:49 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Most on this board would say yes to the idea of a CUSA split.

There are some problems which I am going to list:

1) CFP contract is for CUSA and not any other new conference that will be formed. This can be adjusted potentially but that is a risk of splitting. The contract is good yet for 9 more seasons so its going to be a while.

2) By the end of the B12 TV deal there may be some realignment. This realignment could give opportunities for schools like SoMiss, WKU and ODU to find a space in the AAC. Do you bother with splitting if the end game is to jump?

3) Where is the value in CUSA anyways? Is there value in creating a better basketball grouping or a better football grouping? I feel like it makes sense to focus on basketball and take in only 1 of the new Florida schools. Perhaps bring in Georgia State because of the media market and basketball.

Marshall
Old Dominion
Western Ky
Middle Tenn
Charlotte
Georgia State
UAB
Florida International

8 team conference that requires a smaller revenue split from the NCAA and CFP.

The SBC would be down to 9 and CUSA down to 6. Nobody in the SBC is going to move to CUSA at that point. SBC could instead invite FAU, SoMiss and UTSA into their conference. SBC has a good football brand these days.

That would leave UTEP, Rice and LaTech as independents. They can play with themselves, New Mexico State and BYU as a group of western independents.

There may be some expanding after the B12 contract is up but it won't be the b12 expanding.

Don't you think if Oklahoma and Texas hit the door the B12 will want to push back to 12 schools?

Houston, Memphis and Cincinnati probably all find spaces with maybe a Colorado State or BYU getting a shot.

That would open up space in the AAC for some CUSA schools.
03-18-2017 10:20 AM
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
None of the CUSA teams add any value to AAC, except maybe MTSU. So, they are not going to help CUSA down size. Presently for some CUSA teams their markets don't benefit the AAC and for the other teams their investment and vision in their programs don't match the AAC. The traveling and scheduling are killing the conference. The cost of travel is too much and not playing each team every year hinders rivalries developing.

With that said, with TV revue and exposer now none existent CUSA has three options if they are going to successfully survive and market the conference.

1. Release the Texas schools and circle the wagons.
2. Add two teams and in basketball & football the east and west only play against each other during championship time
3. Spit the conference down the middle and let each side go their separate ways and add three teams in their region.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-18-2017 08:53 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 08:48 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  This 14 member behemoth just seems to be too big and unwieldily and sent delivering the kind of tv contract the old line up did. I think it's time to consider splitting the east and west apart and having each side pick up 3 additional members to create two 10 member leagues.

Possible additions
WEST: UL Lafayette, Arkansas St, Texas St (others include NMSU and S Alabama)
EAST: James Madison, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, App St, S Alabama

i don't think the current continuity rules would prohibit both sides from autobids.

You need to finish waking up. Those are not CUSA teams.

I need to wake up? Read my post genius--those are teams I'm proposing to add.
03-18-2017 10:56 AM
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