(09-03-2024 12:33 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I'm still impressed the Trump campaign staffer physically assaulted an ANC employee over this.

It was likely this miserable POS. Make sense now?

(09-03-2024 01:35 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 01:23 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 01:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 12:41 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  This is something that's been on my mind, if Trump had signed a "truce" with the Afghans about the withdrawal it meant that it was before Ol' Foggy was elected/installed as president. So, if this agreement was in place even before Ol' Foggy assumed office that Ol' Foggy had a whole year to withdraw all military and equipment in a smooth manner. They didn't and it showed with the terrible way it was done. All that equipment that we gifted the Taliban because of the stupidity of the Sec. of Defense and the head of the joint chiefs of staff plus the CIC to delay the withdrawal until the last day showed just how stupid these people are.

Even in real life when you sell your home, you remove your personal items BEFORE you physically move your ass out of the house.

Ollie -- you are correct. The *manner* in which the final withdrawal was performed was horrendous. But the agreement *to* get out was indeed put into place by Trump.

And there is evidence that amongst the last of the Trump orders in his occupancy of the office was an even *more* fked up withdrawal of forces, which seemed to have been ignored by the Pentagon.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/penta...tion-loss/

The item above is *not* an excuse for the Biden failure in withdrawing forces. But it tends to very much present an alternative view of the 'Trump is infallible' in matters relating to Afghanistan.

Show me in Trump's plan where he said to give up Bargram AFB, leave billions of dollars of equipment behind, and do a hasty pullout prior to Sept 11 in order to try to make a political win out of the pullout.

Can you even read fing English? Apparently you cannot.

And regardless, what would that have to do with a suicide bomber at Abbey Gate? Wouldn't the 5,000 Taliban prisoners trump let go free have been more likely to have contributed to the bombing?

(09-03-2024 01:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 04:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 03:53 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 03:28 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 03:15 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  We had one of Joe Biden checking his damn watch yet you poo poo that blatant display of disrespect. And yes every Trump hater out there would have gone after him hard had he not showed up. You know it, I know it, and anyone else with a ounce of common sense knows it.

Some might note the projection of future possibilities into current victimhood angst above. Lolz.

Maybe deal with actual current issues instead of made up projection angst.

And to be honest — it was absolutely not proper for Biden to glance at his watch.

Pretty ****** for a candidate for President turn any item at Arlington (or war dead) into a campaign highlight. That applies across the board.

And a nice counterpoint to losers, suckers, and Mrs Adelson or Mr Rogers being anywhere near equivalent to Schucart in Mogadishu that he has wandered into in the past.

The families evidently invited Trump. They evidently didn't invite Biden. To me that speaks volumes. If it doesn't to you IDGAF.
You continue to use that quote as fact which it is not.
No idea what point you are trying to make with that last sentence.

I dont have an issue in the slightest about the families inviting Trump, and I fully understand why they did not do so for Biden. I too actually think that Biden screwed over the withdrawal.

I find it fairly sickening for Trump to use it fully for a campaign spot. And I would for any candidate. The main issue is to honor those who gave their life -- not to self-promote on it.

And I am not surprised that Trump did so -- treat the families as losers and suckers to grandstand the war dead for his campaign. Fairly apt given the history.

On the last sentence, maybe google "Trump Adelson medal comments". Maybe google "Shugart Mogadishu" to round it out.

If I didnt have a clue what was being alluded to -- I probably would have tried to look it up first -- before complaining. You be you.

I agree that using Arlington for a campaign commercial is wrong.
I'm aware of Randy Shughart, what he did, and how he was rewarded. Also know about Gary Gordon. I said I didn't understand what point you were trying to make. We have covered the MOH versus MOF comments to death.

Alluding to times (plural) that Trump has downplayed (maybe denigrated) military service overall. He has a history of that, and I was pointing that out. "fairly apt given his history".

(09-03-2024 01:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 01:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 04:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 03:53 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 03:28 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Some might note the projection of future possibilities into current victimhood angst above. Lolz.

Maybe deal with actual current issues instead of made up projection angst.

And to be honest — it was absolutely not proper for Biden to glance at his watch.

Pretty ****** for a candidate for President turn any item at Arlington (or war dead) into a campaign highlight. That applies across the board.

And a nice counterpoint to losers, suckers, and Mrs Adelson or Mr Rogers being anywhere near equivalent to Schucart in Mogadishu that he has wandered into in the past.

The families evidently invited Trump. They evidently didn't invite Biden. To me that speaks volumes. If it doesn't to you IDGAF.
You continue to use that quote as fact which it is not.
No idea what point you are trying to make with that last sentence.

I dont have an issue in the slightest about the families inviting Trump, and I fully understand why they did not do so for Biden. I too actually think that Biden screwed over the withdrawal.

I find it fairly sickening for Trump to use it fully for a campaign spot. And I would for any candidate. The main issue is to honor those who gave their life -- not to self-promote on it.

And I am not surprised that Trump did so -- treat the families as losers and suckers to grandstand the war dead for his campaign. Fairly apt given the history.

On the last sentence, maybe google "Trump Adelson medal comments". Maybe google "Shugart Mogadishu" to round it out.

If I didnt have a clue what was being alluded to -- I probably would have tried to look it up first -- before complaining. You be you.

I agree that using Arlington for a campaign commercial is wrong.
I'm aware of Randy Shughart, what he did, and how he was rewarded. Also know about Gary Gordon. I said I didn't understand what point you were trying to make. We have covered the MOH versus MOF comments to death.

Alluding to times (plural) that Trump has downplayed (maybe denigrated) military service overall. He has a history of that, and I was pointing that out. "fairly apt given his history".

no he doesnt. you all have a history of being hoodwinked on it.

now go back to consoling the arlington cumquat who wasnt assaulted but did have a mental breakdown.

(09-03-2024 02:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 01:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 01:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 04:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 03:53 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  The families evidently invited Trump. They evidently didn't invite Biden. To me that speaks volumes. If it doesn't to you IDGAF.
You continue to use that quote as fact which it is not.
No idea what point you are trying to make with that last sentence.

I dont have an issue in the slightest about the families inviting Trump, and I fully understand why they did not do so for Biden. I too actually think that Biden screwed over the withdrawal.

I find it fairly sickening for Trump to use it fully for a campaign spot. And I would for any candidate. The main issue is to honor those who gave their life -- not to self-promote on it.

And I am not surprised that Trump did so -- treat the families as losers and suckers to grandstand the war dead for his campaign. Fairly apt given the history.

On the last sentence, maybe google "Trump Adelson medal comments". Maybe google "Shugart Mogadishu" to round it out.

If I didnt have a clue what was being alluded to -- I probably would have tried to look it up first -- before complaining. You be you.

I agree that using Arlington for a campaign commercial is wrong.
I'm aware of Randy Shughart, what he did, and how he was rewarded. Also know about Gary Gordon. I said I didn't understand what point you were trying to make. We have covered the MOH versus MOF comments to death.

Alluding to times (plural) that Trump has downplayed (maybe denigrated) military service overall. He has a history of that, and I was pointing that out. "fairly apt given his history".

no he doesnt. you all have a history of being hoodwinked on it.

now go back to consoling the arlington cumquat who wasnt assaulted but did have a mental breakdown.

Oh, right...you saw the video they never released. Or were you there?

(09-03-2024 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 02:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 01:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 01:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 04:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I dont have an issue in the slightest about the families inviting Trump, and I fully understand why they did not do so for Biden. I too actually think that Biden screwed over the withdrawal.

I find it fairly sickening for Trump to use it fully for a campaign spot. And I would for any candidate. The main issue is to honor those who gave their life -- not to self-promote on it.

And I am not surprised that Trump did so -- treat the families as losers and suckers to grandstand the war dead for his campaign. Fairly apt given the history.

On the last sentence, maybe google "Trump Adelson medal comments". Maybe google "Shugart Mogadishu" to round it out.

If I didnt have a clue what was being alluded to -- I probably would have tried to look it up first -- before complaining. You be you.

I agree that using Arlington for a campaign commercial is wrong.
I'm aware of Randy Shughart, what he did, and how he was rewarded. Also know about Gary Gordon. I said I didn't understand what point you were trying to make. We have covered the MOH versus MOF comments to death.

Alluding to times (plural) that Trump has downplayed (maybe denigrated) military service overall. He has a history of that, and I was pointing that out. "fairly apt given his history".

no he doesnt. you all have a history of being hoodwinked on it.

now go back to consoling the arlington cumquat who wasnt assaulted but did have a mental breakdown.

Oh, right...you saw the video they never released. Or were you there?

I just know how this goes down. Someone lies, but wont go on the record (file a police report), you fall for it, it gets proven it didnt happen.

but dont let me stop you. swallow that taint!

467 posts. This is better than the Energizer bunny.

(09-03-2024 02:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 02:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 01:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 01:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  I agree that using Arlington for a campaign commercial is wrong.
I'm aware of Randy Shughart, what he did, and how he was rewarded. Also know about Gary Gordon. I said I didn't understand what point you were trying to make. We have covered the MOH versus MOF comments to death.

Alluding to times (plural) that Trump has downplayed (maybe denigrated) military service overall. He has a history of that, and I was pointing that out. "fairly apt given his history".

no he doesnt. you all have a history of being hoodwinked on it.

now go back to consoling the arlington cumquat who wasnt assaulted but did have a mental breakdown.

Oh, right...you saw the video they never released. Or were you there?

I just know how this goes down. Someone lies, but wont go on the record (file a police report), you fall for it, it gets proven it didnt happen.

but dont let me stop you. swallow that taint!

Right...sure...how's Blinken's resignation coming along?

Still haven't addressed that the Army and ANC also "bought" it.

#Hoodwinked

(09-03-2024 02:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 02:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 02:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 01:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Alluding to times (plural) that Trump has downplayed (maybe denigrated) military service overall. He has a history of that, and I was pointing that out. "fairly apt given his history".

no he doesnt. you all have a history of being hoodwinked on it.

now go back to consoling the arlington cumquat who wasnt assaulted but did have a mental breakdown.

Oh, right...you saw the video they never released. Or were you there?

I just know how this goes down. Someone lies, but wont go on the record (file a police report), you fall for it, it gets proven it didnt happen.

but dont let me stop you. swallow that taint!

Right...sure...how's Blinken's resignation coming along?

Still haven't addressed that the Army and ANC also "bought" it.

#Hoodwinked

The MPs who filed the report also bought it. Imagine that.

(09-03-2024 01:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 01:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 04:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 03:53 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 03:28 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Some might note the projection of future possibilities into current victimhood angst above. Lolz.

Maybe deal with actual current issues instead of made up projection angst.

And to be honest — it was absolutely not proper for Biden to glance at his watch.

Pretty ****** for a candidate for President turn any item at Arlington (or war dead) into a campaign highlight. That applies across the board.

And a nice counterpoint to losers, suckers, and Mrs Adelson or Mr Rogers being anywhere near equivalent to Schucart in Mogadishu that he has wandered into in the past.

The families evidently invited Trump. They evidently didn't invite Biden. To me that speaks volumes. If it doesn't to you IDGAF.
You continue to use that quote as fact which it is not.
No idea what point you are trying to make with that last sentence.

I dont have an issue in the slightest about the families inviting Trump, and I fully understand why they did not do so for Biden. I too actually think that Biden screwed over the withdrawal.

I find it fairly sickening for Trump to use it fully for a campaign spot. And I would for any candidate. The main issue is to honor those who gave their life -- not to self-promote on it.

And I am not surprised that Trump did so -- treat the families as losers and suckers to grandstand the war dead for his campaign. Fairly apt given the history.

On the last sentence, maybe google "Trump Adelson medal comments". Maybe google "Shugart Mogadishu" to round it out.

If I didnt have a clue what was being alluded to -- I probably would have tried to look it up first -- before complaining. You be you.

I agree that using Arlington for a campaign commercial is wrong.
I'm aware of Randy Shughart, what he did, and how he was rewarded. Also know about Gary Gordon. I said I didn't understand what point you were trying to make. We have covered the MOH versus MOF comments to death.

Alluding to times (plural) that Trump has downplayed (maybe denigrated) military service overall. He has a history of that, and I was pointing that out. "fairly apt given his history".

I wasn't aware he had made any comments about Shughart or Gordon. If he did then it was wrong but I'll tell you as a veteran that he has said some things I may not agree with but IMO the military is better off with him at the helm than Harris.

Not even close.

(09-03-2024 11:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 10:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  BIDEN DID THE SAME THING in 2020.

No, he didn't. Again, you need better facts.

Here’s how a Biden ad that featured Arlington National Cemetery differs from a trump campaign effort

And before you get your panties in a wad. This is not endorsing the Biden ad. Just factually stating that they are not the same thing. Nobody was shoved, a disclaimer was added, and no names on headstones were shown. And most importantly, Biden was not smiling like a POS with a thumb sticking up in the air!

Biden is just filth rotten to the core

Corruption on a level that would make Mafia bosses proud

Lackeys who swallow the Progressive Kool aid are just too dense to see it

(09-03-2024 02:40 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 01:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 01:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 04:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-28-2024 03:53 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  The families evidently invited Trump. They evidently didn't invite Biden. To me that speaks volumes. If it doesn't to you IDGAF.
You continue to use that quote as fact which it is not.
No idea what point you are trying to make with that last sentence.

I dont have an issue in the slightest about the families inviting Trump, and I fully understand why they did not do so for Biden. I too actually think that Biden screwed over the withdrawal.

I find it fairly sickening for Trump to use it fully for a campaign spot. And I would for any candidate. The main issue is to honor those who gave their life -- not to self-promote on it.

And I am not surprised that Trump did so -- treat the families as losers and suckers to grandstand the war dead for his campaign. Fairly apt given the history.

On the last sentence, maybe google "Trump Adelson medal comments". Maybe google "Shugart Mogadishu" to round it out.

If I didnt have a clue what was being alluded to -- I probably would have tried to look it up first -- before complaining. You be you.

I agree that using Arlington for a campaign commercial is wrong.
I'm aware of Randy Shughart, what he did, and how he was rewarded. Also know about Gary Gordon. I said I didn't understand what point you were trying to make. We have covered the MOH versus MOF comments to death.

Alluding to times (plural) that Trump has downplayed (maybe denigrated) military service overall. He has a history of that, and I was pointing that out. "fairly apt given his history".

I wasn't aware he had made any comments about Shughart or Gordon. If he did then it was wrong but I'll tell you as a veteran that he has said some things I may not agree with but IMO the military is better off with him at the helm than Harris.

Not directly. Indirectly he pissed on their acts, mind you.

(09-03-2024 09:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 09:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Tulsi was at ANC all day with Trump and said she saw no altercation at all.

Well then, case closed. Nothing happened. The Army and ANC are both lying.

MAGA are scum.

Dude, think for a second. You're taking the word of Tulsi over the Army and ANC. Disgraceful.

The scum are you and your minion brethren who make this into a 9-11 moment. Indict him. Again.

And no I do not believe the Army or some hater at the ANC. And that is all of you progressive communist’s fault.

I wish I could believe them.

And BTW, I would like to take this moment to ask you if you always believe the “Army”? The same Army that says Walz is a liar?

(09-03-2024 10:56 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-02-2024 01:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-02-2024 11:24 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-02-2024 11:20 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

Read the Constitution and then tell us how the VP got service members killed. Cite specifics please.

(09-02-2024 11:46 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-02-2024 11:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-02-2024 11:24 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Read the Constitution and then tell us how the VP got service members killed. Cite specifics please.

She was in the room when decisions were made, and she certainly had input.

Per her, "last person in the room." And she bragged about it until people died.

and said she was comfortable making those decisions. you would think horses ass, being "military", would hold that against her. Which is why I doubt he was military.

Anyone who was served understands the Chain of Command. There are times for advisors to speak but once the Commander makes a decision those orders are followed/carried out. Unless they are unlawful you follow all orders. You think it is different when the CiC issues orders? Doubt all you want buttercup. I signed the blank check to the United Staes of America. Even for dunces like you.

So you swore to uphold the constitution of this great country? Maybe you should take your commitment seriously.

(09-03-2024 01:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 12:33 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I'm still impressed the Trump campaign staffer physically assaulted an ANC employee over this.

It was likely this miserable POS. Make sense now?

Wasnt he in "Planet 9 From Outer Space"?

(09-03-2024 04:18 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 10:56 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-02-2024 01:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-02-2024 11:24 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-02-2024 11:20 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

Read the Constitution and then tell us how the VP got service members killed. Cite specifics please.

(09-02-2024 11:46 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-02-2024 11:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  She was in the room when decisions were made, and she certainly had input.

Per her, "last person in the room." And she bragged about it until people died.

and said she was comfortable making those decisions. you would think horses ass, being "military", would hold that against her. Which is why I doubt he was military.

Anyone who was served understands the Chain of Command. There are times for advisors to speak but once the Commander makes a decision those orders are followed/carried out. Unless they are unlawful you follow all orders. You think it is different when the CiC issues orders? Doubt all you want buttercup. I signed the blank check to the United Staes of America. Even for dunces like you.

So you swore to uphold the constitution of this great country? Maybe you should take your commitment seriously.

Yup, “foreign and domestic”

MAGAts are not even in the same arena, let alone playing the same sport as the rest of us.

(09-03-2024 04:31 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 04:18 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 10:56 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-02-2024 01:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-02-2024 11:24 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Read the Constitution and then tell us how the VP got service members killed. Cite specifics please.

(09-02-2024 11:46 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Per her, "last person in the room." And she bragged about it until people died.

and said she was comfortable making those decisions. you would think horses ass, being "military", would hold that against her. Which is why I doubt he was military.

Anyone who was served understands the Chain of Command. There are times for advisors to speak but once the Commander makes a decision those orders are followed/carried out. Unless they are unlawful you follow all orders. You think it is different when the CiC issues orders? Doubt all you want buttercup. I signed the blank check to the United Staes of America. Even for dunces like you.

So you swore to uphold the constitution of this great country? Maybe you should take your commitment seriously.

Yup, “foreign and domestic”

MAGAts are not even in the same arena, let alone playing the same sport as the rest of us.

For all we know you are a 17 year old transsexual living in your mommies basement. You’re no patriot that is for sure.

(09-03-2024 04:47 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 04:31 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 04:18 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 10:56 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-02-2024 01:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  and said she was comfortable making those decisions. you would think horses ass, being "military", would hold that against her. Which is why I doubt he was military.

Anyone who was served understands the Chain of Command. There are times for advisors to speak but once the Commander makes a decision those orders are followed/carried out. Unless they are unlawful you follow all orders. You think it is different when the CiC issues orders? Doubt all you want buttercup. I signed the blank check to the United Staes of America. Even for dunces like you.

So you swore to uphold the constitution of this great country? Maybe you should take your commitment seriously.

Yup, “foreign and domestic”

MAGAts are not even in the same arena, let alone playing the same sport as the rest of us.

For all we know you are a 17 year old transsexual living in your mommies basement. You’re no patriot that is for sure.

In my 50s Bull. You judging my patriotism based my politics is a sign of your misguided outlook on freedom, not mine.

(09-03-2024 06:34 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 04:47 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 04:31 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 04:18 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-03-2024 10:56 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Anyone who was served understands the Chain of Command. There are times for advisors to speak but once the Commander makes a decision those orders are followed/carried out. Unless they are unlawful you follow all orders. You think it is different when the CiC issues orders? Doubt all you want buttercup. I signed the blank check to the United Staes of America. Even for dunces like you.

So you swore to uphold the constitution of this great country? Maybe you should take your commitment seriously.

Yup, “foreign and domestic”

MAGAts are not even in the same arena, let alone playing the same sport as the rest of us.

For all we know you are a 17 year old transsexual living in your mommies basement. You’re no patriot that is for sure.

In my 50s Bull. You judging my patriotism based my politics is a sign of your misguided outlook on freedom, not mine.

Not just your patriotism, but your age, sexuality, maturity, and dependence state. That tends to happen from time to time around here…..