(07-31-2024 02:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  I've never been around such a glass half empty group of people.

Such talk is a gift to the Democrats to discourage voting. That is precisely why there is a Democratic majority in the Senate. Republicans discouraged Republicans from voting in the Senate runoff and 2 Democrats got elected in Georgia. One we will get rid of in 2026. The other will be more difficult.

Hand wringers arent they. Looking for a way to lose. Its incredible and its rat poison

I think it stems from legitimate fear that Trump could lose so they need reassurance. There are no sure things. He is ahead, he us doing all he can..

The press will demonize him, the filth will cheat, rinos will say told you so. Nothing new. Must he miserable existence. Here is the bottom line:

Do not count on the govt to secure your happiness. Adapt and exploit the system regardless

Frick the filth. The govt is not our worst problem our culture is rotting.

Maybe it needs to go all the way to total shite before it can be fixed. Kamala would burn it down. Me and mine will be fine. Maybe the filth need to suffer more

(07-31-2024 04:30 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-31-2024 02:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  I've never been around such a glass half empty group of people.

Such talk is a gift to the Democrats to discourage voting. That is precisely why there is a Democratic majority in the Senate. Republicans discouraged Republicans from voting in the Senate runoff and 2 Democrats got elected in Georgia. One we will get rid of in 2026. The other will be more difficult.

Hand wringers arent they. Looking for a way to lose. Its incredible and its rat poison

I think it stems from legitimate fear that Trump could lose so they need reassurance. There are no sure things. He is ahead, he us doing all he can..

The press will demonize him, the filth will cheat, rinos will say told you so. Nothing new. Must he miserable existence. Here is the bottom line:

Do not count on the govt to secure your happiness. Adapt and exploit the system regardless

Frick the filth. The govt is not our worst problem our culture is rotting.

Maybe it needs to go all the way to total shite before it can be fixed. Kamala would burn it down. Me and mine will be fine. Maybe the filth need to suffer more

But you do agree that the early debate and switch to Kamala was all pre planned just liked the rigged NY court case, right?

Btw. I contribute my hard earned money to President Trumps campaign. Anyone who sleeps on these ******* Chicago mobsters will wake up with Kamala Harris as President. Damn right I am worried.

(07-31-2024 04:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-31-2024 03:27 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-31-2024 02:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  We've stepped into the bear trap at every opportunity.

????

I don’t really know what you mean by that. But let’s just be clear — there is absolutely Zero evidence that any other GOP nominee would be polling better than Trump. And I say that as someone who supported a different (non-Trump) candidate in the primaries.

In my opinion....as much as I like DJT, I think he's a bad 2024 candidate. I've been consistent with that. Unfavorable numbers are still hovering @ 52 or 53%. That's never changing. People know him. Like him or hate him, that won't feed the bulldog.

No way Biden was going to be on the ticket. I've been saying that for 2 years. Accepting the debate that early did the democrats a huge favor. We walked right into that. It's a short track race and they won't let her do much other than read uplifting speeches. The country isn't going to see how ******* bad she is. People have short memories.

Now we have a polarizing candidate with high unfavorables that is pushing 80 and who will now be getting the too old media bum rush while getting the John McCain v. Obama old white dude vs. young uplifting minority treatment BS.

Oh, our media dive plan is limited to preaching to the choir so far (again).

How many more bear traps you want to go over?

It has begun.

Sen Mark Kelly calls Trump a scared old man in response to Trump's comments on Harris' race. It's all too predictable.

Just because someone gets a “convention bump” doesn’t mean that they are gaining more votes. That would indicate a polling response bias due to the excitement. Same could have been said for Trump after he was shot + RNC.


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Kamala’s simple victory strategy: stay in the basement.

Worked for Joe.

(07-31-2024 04:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-31-2024 03:27 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-31-2024 02:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  We've stepped into the bear trap at every opportunity.

????

I don’t really know what you mean by that. But let’s just be clear — there is absolutely Zero evidence that any other GOP nominee would be polling better than Trump. And I say that as someone who supported a different (non-Trump) candidate in the primaries.

In my opinion....as much as I like DJT, I think he's a bad 2024 candidate. I've been consistent with that. Unfavorable numbers are still hovering @ 52 or 53%. That's never changing. People know him. Like him or hate him, that won't feed the bulldog.

No way Biden was going to be on the ticket. I've been saying that for 2 years. Accepting the debate that early did the democrats a huge favor. We walked right into that. It's a short track race and they won't let her do much other than read uplifting speeches. The country isn't going to see how ******* bad she is. People have short memories.

Now we have a polarizing candidate with high unfavorables that is pushing 80 and who will now be getting the too old media bum rush while getting the John McCain v. Obama old white dude vs. young uplifting minority treatment BS.

Oh, our media dive plan is limited to preaching to the choir so far (again).

How many more bear traps you want to go over?

None of these problems would have been solved by having a different nominee.

Yes, Trump pushes buttons with certain people that (say) Nikki Haley doesn’t push. But that works both ways. Trump also gets support from certain people who wouldn’t vote for Haley even if the Dems nominated Dennis Kucinich.

At the end of the day, the Democrats and the MSM are one and the same. Absolutely any GOP is going to get dog piled by the media and no one has shown a greater capacity for fighting them off than Trump. If America winds up with Kamala Harris as POTUS, that is unfortunate imho but oh, well. That’s on them (people who support her) and it’s not on “Republicans” or people who oppose her.

(08-01-2024 08:14 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Kamala’s simple victory strategy: stay in the basement.

Worked for Joe.

Well, that and mail-in ballots.

Remember, no one in the D party actually wanted Kamala until a week or two ago.

(07-31-2024 02:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  We've stepped into the bear trap at every opportunity.

It's going to be Obama Hope & Change 2008 scripted production from here on out. Going to end up electing a clown who has been in 2 election cycles and didn't earn any primary votes.

We knew in 2020 they were going to use Biden to get her to be the 1st female president despite the fact nobody likes her. Here we go.

Then maybe Trump should go the hope route instead of the doom and gloom?

(07-31-2024 02:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  I've never been around such a glass half empty group of people.

Such talk is a gift to the Democrats to discourage voting. That is precisely why there is a Democratic majority in the Senate. Republicans discouraged Republicans from voting in the Senate runoff and 2 Democrats got elected in Georgia. One we will get rid of in 2026. The other will be more difficult.

I couldn't agree more.

(08-01-2024 08:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Remember, no one in the D party actually wanted Kamala until a week or two ago.

This.

In California, she always ran several points behind other Dems on the ticket. (Not counting the races where she was running 1:1 against a Democrat). She is a leftwing lightweight who would never have been chosen for this role in an open primary against other D’s. 99% of her supporters would’ve voted for any other D against any other R.

The only exceptions are a handful of professional Trump-haters like Adam Kinzinger, and a few who may not be Prog/Left but will vote for her out of ethnic/gender tribalism. These votes, imho, are far outweighed by the # of people (many of them non-GOP) who will turn out for Trump but not for John Kasich or Nikki Haley, etc.

(08-01-2024 10:00 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The only exceptions are a handful of professional Trump-haters like Adam Kinzinger, and a few who may not be Prog/Left but will vote for her out of ethnic/gender tribalism.

You mean the ones with their noses so far up her butt that they know what Willie Brown had for breakfast?

Here's a Democrat on why Harris's strategy is going to lose:

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/dem...ndidate-is

"...And many seem intent on remaking a core 2016 mistake: acting as though the Democratic candidate’s job is to become the President of Online rather than the President of the United States, begging Harris to devote her campaign to memes and social media, playing to people like them instead of the middle class white retirees in Wisconsin and Arizona who will actually determine this election. New York has been particularly uninspiring in this regard, producing a lot of takes predicated on the idea that the median undecided swing state voter is, well, a New York magazine subscriber. Here Jason P. Frank says that the key to victory for Harris is mobilizing “stans.” Jason, what Kamala Harris needs is white independents without college degrees in swing states. Are a lot of those in very-online fan armies? I have my doubts. In fact I suspect most of the people Harris needs the most don’t know what the **** a stan is and don’t spend any time in the spaces where stans congregate! Here Angelina Chapin credulously covers a pro-Harris Zoom call for white women, which I’m sure is a great way to reach women married to laid-off-ironworkers-turned-Uber-Eats-drivers in the Rust Belt. Here Camille Squires talks about all the enthusiasm for Harris that’s bubbling up in Harris’s old sorority. Squires writes that “there’s little doubt that she can count on the support of the more than 360,000 women of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.” Well, yes, that’s true. As would Biden. I don’t think the Democrats were going to struggle to reach the Black sorority sister demographic. The weird way that a given party’s most loyal voters are often rendered the least important is another dumb element of democracy, and another fact of life.

This all reflects a pitfall that pretty much everyone falls into, but which is particularly hard to avoid when your side of the partisan divide controls most of the media: playing to those within your coalition rather than those who you might be able to drag into it. All of the winking, self-impressed meme politics going on right now are useful if you want to win the day on Bluesky but profoundly useless if you want to herd many of our dumbest voters onto the Democratic party’s pasture. If Harris is going to win, the absolute last thing she should do is to run a meme candidacy like that presided over by Robbie Mook in 2016, where Hillary’s agenda took a back seat to a never-ending procession of glamorous celebrity photo ops and a wince-inducing attempt to make the candidate into America's cool grandma. In many ways, during the 2016 general election it felt like the primary never ended for the Democrats, the party seemingly certain (as I was) that Trump could not win and Hillary determined to match Barack Obama in inspiring the base, which was simply not what she needed to be focusing on. These strategic mistakes were not the reason that Hillary lost, but they played directly into her biggest weakness, which was how her underlying unpopularity fit squarely into the perception that Democrats came from a different strata of life than swing voters. You can’t fix that by disappearing further up the ass of popular culture. (If you’re over the age of 25 and you catch yourself earnestly discussing whether something is “brat,” please find Jesus. Or heroin. Or Dianetics. Whatever it takes to change your life.)..."

(08-01-2024 10:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  Here's a Democrat on why Harris's strategy is going to lose:

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/dem...ndidate-is

"...And many seem intent on remaking a core 2016 mistake: acting as though the Democratic candidate’s job is to become the President of Online rather than the President of the United States, begging Harris to devote her campaign to memes and social media, playing to people like them instead of the middle class white retirees in Wisconsin and Arizona who will actually determine this election. New York has been particularly uninspiring in this regard, producing a lot of takes predicated on the idea that the median undecided swing state voter is, well, a New York magazine subscriber. Here Jason P. Frank says that the key to victory for Harris is mobilizing “stans.” Jason, what Kamala Harris needs is white independents without college degrees in swing states. Are a lot of those in very-online fan armies? I have my doubts. In fact I suspect most of the people Harris needs the most don’t know what the **** a stan is and don’t spend any time in the spaces where stans congregate! Here Angelina Chapin credulously covers a pro-Harris Zoom call for white women, which I’m sure is a great way to reach women married to laid-off-ironworkers-turned-Uber-Eats-drivers in the Rust Belt. Here Camille Squires talks about all the enthusiasm for Harris that’s bubbling up in Harris’s old sorority. Squires writes that “there’s little doubt that she can count on the support of the more than 360,000 women of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.” Well, yes, that’s true. As would Biden. I don’t think the Democrats were going to struggle to reach the Black sorority sister demographic. The weird way that a given party’s most loyal voters are often rendered the least important is another dumb element of democracy, and another fact of life.

This all reflects a pitfall that pretty much everyone falls into, but which is particularly hard to avoid when your side of the partisan divide controls most of the media: playing to those within your coalition rather than those who you might be able to drag into it. All of the winking, self-impressed meme politics going on right now are useful if you want to win the day on Bluesky but profoundly useless if you want to herd many of our dumbest voters onto the Democratic party’s pasture. If Harris is going to win, the absolute last thing she should do is to run a meme candidacy like that presided over by Robbie Mook in 2016, where Hillary’s agenda took a back seat to a never-ending procession of glamorous celebrity photo ops and a wince-inducing attempt to make the candidate into America's cool grandma. In many ways, during the 2016 general election it felt like the primary never ended for the Democrats, the party seemingly certain (as I was) that Trump could not win and Hillary determined to match Barack Obama in inspiring the base, which was simply not what she needed to be focusing on. These strategic mistakes were not the reason that Hillary lost, but they played directly into her biggest weakness, which was how her underlying unpopularity fit squarely into the perception that Democrats came from a different strata of life than swing voters. You can’t fix that by disappearing further up the ass of popular culture. (If you’re over the age of 25 and you catch yourself earnestly discussing whether something is “brat,” please find Jesus. Or heroin. Or Dianetics. Whatever it takes to change your life.)..."

Good stuff

Both sides are playing more to their bases than to the middle. And the middle is where the election will be won or lost.

(08-01-2024 10:57 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Both sides are playing more to their bases than to the middle.

Trump has consistently said that he will oppose a national “abortion ban” and that abortion-policy will be decided on a state-by-state basis. That’s not playing to the base, it’s playing to the middle, and doing so on an issue that is extremely galvanizing to the base.

He has held a rally in South Bronx and showed up for a very hostile interview with NABJ media in Chicago yesterday. These are not “playing to the base” type of moves, not at all.

(08-01-2024 11:10 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 10:57 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Both sides are playing more to their bases than to the middle.

Trump has consistently said that he will oppose a national “abortion ban” and that abortion-policy will be decided on a state-by-state basis. That’s not playing to the base, it’s playing to the middle, and doing so on an issue that is extremely galvanizing to the base.

He has held a rally in South Bronx and showed up for a very hostile interview with NABJ media in Chicago yesterday. These are not “playing to the base” type of moves, not at all.

Exactly... Trump is running to win. He's playing to the middle in places "Republicans" never go. Would John McCain or Mitt Romney go to a black journalist convention and take questions? They can't even get Kamala to take questions anywhere.

Would McCain or Romney hold a rally in South Jersey or the South Bronx?

Trump was shot, came within a few millimetres from losing his life. How does he respond? He's going back Butler, PA to finish his speech.

Kamala is running like she's running for president of her sorority. The presidency isn't a national popularity contest.... it's a swing state contest that requires you get out and meet the people.

You can't get the girls together, do your nails and braid your hair to win the White House.

If Kamala thinks she can win by having white people kiss her back side on zoom calls while black and brown voters are ignored, she's in for a rude awakening.

So far, and I hope she continues it, Kamala has taken the black and hispanic vote for granted. She's not talking about issues they face. She's not talking about issues with anyone.

Trump needs to keep doing what he's doing. Do a few more town halls and let voters ask questions. Hold rallies and connect with people. Eventually Kamala will have to answer.

If I was Trump's campaign manager I would hold a rally on the Southside of Chicago the week the DNC is there. Trump's not going to win Illinois but it would send a message to voters in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Detroit and Milwaukee that he understands what hardships the last 4 years have caused. While the other candidate continues ignoring them.

(08-01-2024 12:20 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If I was Trump's campaign manager I would hold a rally on the Southside of Chicago the week the DNC is there.

DNC is scheduled for 4 days, M-TU-W-TH

Ideally, Trump would make appearances throughout Illinois each day, capping it Chicago on Thursday.

(08-01-2024 12:20 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 11:10 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 10:57 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Both sides are playing more to their bases than to the middle.

Trump has consistently said that he will oppose a national “abortion ban” and that abortion-policy will be decided on a state-by-state basis. That’s not playing to the base, it’s playing to the middle, and doing so on an issue that is extremely galvanizing to the base.

He has held a rally in South Bronx and showed up for a very hostile interview with NABJ media in Chicago yesterday. These are not “playing to the base” type of moves, not at all.

Exactly... Trump is running to win. He's playing to the middle in places "Republicans" never go. Would John McCain or Mitt Romney go to a black journalist convention and take questions? They can't even get Kamala to take questions anywhere.

Would McCain or Romney hold a rally in South Jersey or the South Bronx?

Trump was shot, came within a few millimetres from losing his life. How does he respond? He's going back Butler, PA to finish his speech.

Kamala is running like she's running for president of her sorority. The presidency isn't a national popularity contest.... it's a swing state contest that requires you get out and meet the people.

You can't get the girls together, do your nails and braid your hair to win the White House.

If Kamala thinks she can win by having white people kiss her back side on zoom calls while black and brown voters are ignored, she's in for a rude awakening.

So far, and I hope she continues it, Kamala has taken the black and hispanic vote for granted. She's not talking about issues they face. She's not talking about issues with anyone.

Trump needs to keep doing what he's doing. Do a few more town halls and let voters ask questions. Hold rallies and connect with people. Eventually Kamala will have to answer.

If I was Trump's campaign manager I would hold a rally on the Southside of Chicago the week the DNC is there. Trump's not going to win Illinois but it would send a message to voters in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Detroit and Milwaukee that he understands what hardships the last 4 years have caused. While the other candidate continues ignoring them.

All of this Jim, but solid poll watching has to be a part of his large city strategies. It's in Atlanta, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Phoenix and Detroit and Lansing where he lost last time around. And that was with 10 million fewer illegals to get registration through driver's license bureaus.

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