Biden is not resigning, despite many calls to do so.

So he has them over a barrel, especially with such a short time frame, all the campaign money ($220M?) tied up with Biden/Harris, the difficulty of changing ballot names in some states, etc.

But a couple of pundits tonight said there is a way to get him out.

Bribe him. Set Joe, Jill, Hunter and the whole crooked Biden family up for life. Everybody has a price. The Dems will pay whatever it takes, b/c they KNOW Biden will lose.

So the Bidens get paid off, Joe steps aside, and the Harris/Somebody ticket (or maybe Somebody/Harris?) moves forward.

That might not beat Trump, but it can't be worse odds than Biden/Harris.

Forgive all crimes by anyone associated with the Biden crime syndicate, pay them a ton of big-donor money, and give Joe a majority stake in Ben and Jerry's. Deal done.

Sleezy as hell, but Dems not above this. I personally want the pants-shitting lying arseclown to stay as long as possible, as he has no record on which to compare positively to Trump.

Don't underestimate Joe, Jill and Hunter's resolve as they're backed into a corner. They're noting in real time who their friends and enemies are. They are still smarting from Hunter's trial and allegedly the Obammy's betrayal. I believe they crave power more than money at this point. I also don't believe the delegates, let alone his primary voters, will want to trade Biden for Harris. Like Hillary, she is unliked generally, and unlike Hillary, she is incompetent in all phases of politics.

(07-11-2024 10:45 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Don't underestimate Joe, Jill and Hunter's resolve as they're backed into a corner. They're noting in real time who their friends and enemies are. They are still smarting from Hunter's trial and allegedly the Obammy's betrayal. I believe they crave power more than money at this point. I also don't believe the delegates, let alone his primary voters, will want to trade Biden for Harris. Like Hillary, she is unliked generally, and unlike Hillary, she is incompetent in all phases of politics.

I think all that is true. But don't underestimate the party elites, either.

I think almost everybody has a price, especially in politics.

And if Joe "voluntarily" resigns, the delegates and voters don't have a choice.

The Left isn't above assassinating a president or candidate to force a change. RFKJ will tell you that's what happened to his uncle and his father.

The IC could plan and execute the coup then blame it on their boogeyman MAGA. The purple haired jihadees, alphabet mafia, BLM and pAntifa would immediately take to the streets to amplify the Nation's outrage.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't put anything past the swamp

(07-12-2024 03:49 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The Left isn't above assassinating a president or candidate to force a change. RFKJ will tell you that's what happened to his uncle and his father.

The IC could plan and execute the coup then blame it on their boogeyman MAGA. The purple haired jihadees, alphabet mafia, BLM and pAntifa would immediately take to the streets to amplify the Nation's outrage.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't put anything past the swamp

They’ll have a hard time pinning it on MAGA. There’s not a Trump supporter in the country who wants to see this fool taken out. It would be like all the mass shootings that are initially white supremacists until the investigation finds out they’re some tranny Dem.

Assassinating Biden now would be too obvious a move at this point. JMO.

But yeah, they are certainly not above doing that.

I'm pretty sure Obama had his personal chef killed b/c he was about to release a book highly critical of him. Amazing how that release was canceled. That book would have been a hot item.

It's so cute you think they have to buy him off or kill him to get him out. They can literally just do it if they want to. It's written into the bylaws that the delegates Biden "won" don't have to vote for him, they still have Super Delegates who can go against him, and as I had to find out from a court ruling in 2017 they are not legally obligated to hold a fair primary at all. The DNC lawyers argued in court, and won, that they have every right to decide the candidate in the back rooms and no one running for the office (in that case it was Bernie) has any right or expectation that the process be fair. They can do whatever the hell they want to, stop overthinking this and assuming it's going to take murder or a bribe to get rid of him, basically if Obama and Pelosi really do decide he has to go they can make sure the convention goes however they want it to. No it won't be "democratic" but Dem primaries never have been that and legally don't have to be.

We will see what a "Threat to Democracy" looks like during the next couple of weeks. Not one single voter will have voted for the Democrat nominee for President. And Trump is the one to be feared.

(07-12-2024 07:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  It's so cute you think they have to buy him off or kill him to get him out. They can literally just do it if they want to. It's written into the bylaws that the delegates Biden "won" don't have to vote for him, they still have Super Delegates who can go against him, and as I had to find out from a court ruling in 2017 they are not legally obligated to hold a fair primary at all. The DNC lawyers argued in court, and won, that they have every right to decide the candidate in the back rooms and no one running for the office (in that case it was Bernie) has any right or expectation that the process be fair. They can do whatever the hell they want to, stop overthinking this and assuming it's going to take murder or a bribe to get rid of him, basically if Obama and Pelosi really do decide he has to go they can make sure the convention goes however they want it to. No it won't be "democratic" but Dem primaries never have been that and legally don't have to be.

If it's that damn simple, why are Obama and the others panicking?

And no matter what you think, it will still be difficult to get another name on all the state ballots this late. The Dems don't control those rules. It would be simpler if Biden just resigned, the sooner the better.

Btw, one of the pundits who mentioned on air that a bribe would be how the Dems plan to move out Biden (b/c they need it to happen now, not at the convention) was Ari Fleischer. Somehow, I think he has a better handle on this than anybody here, including you.

P.S. You're not the only one who knows the Dems don't really have any rules when it comes to primaries, the convention and the nominating process. It's pretty obvious to anybody who follows politics. So get off your cute little high horse.

(07-12-2024 07:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  It's so cute you think they have to buy him off or kill him to get him out. They can literally just do it if they want to. It's written into the bylaws that the delegates Biden "won" don't have to vote for him, they still have Super Delegates who can go against him, and as I had to find out from a court ruling in 2017 they are not legally obligated to hold a fair primary at all. The DNC lawyers argued in court, and won, that they have every right to decide the candidate in the back rooms and no one running for the office (in that case it was Bernie) has any right or expectation that the process be fair. They can do whatever the hell they want to, stop overthinking this and assuming it's going to take murder or a bribe to get rid of him, basically if Obama and Pelosi really do decide he has to go they can make sure the convention goes however they want it to. No it won't be "democratic" but Dem primaries never have been that and legally don't have to be.

You're correct. HOWEVER, you can't make claims that "Our Democracy is at stake" and "Trump will dismantle our Democratic Processes" but then REFUSE TO ACCEPT the Democratic process to select the candidate for president. Unless this is one of those times where you need to burn the house down in order to "save" it...

(07-12-2024 07:56 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  We will see what a "Threat to Democracy" looks like during the next couple of weeks. Not one single voter will have voted for the Democrat nominee for President. And Trump is the one to be feared.

Once this all shakes out -

Either Trump landslides Biden in November

Or

They install someone and Trump is going on the offensive about the “threat to democracy” BS and if it’s Kumswala, he will spend a lot of time pointing out how she’s done zilch as VP and look at the border she was the czar over.

I just finding it hilarious that the puppet is refusing to let the puppet master take his strings off.

YOU'RE STUCK WITH GRAMPS, DIM-OCRATS !! HAHAHAHAHA !!

(07-12-2024 07:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-12-2024 07:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  It's so cute you think they have to buy him off or kill him to get him out. They can literally just do it if they want to. It's written into the bylaws that the delegates Biden "won" don't have to vote for him, they still have Super Delegates who can go against him, and as I had to find out from a court ruling in 2017 they are not legally obligated to hold a fair primary at all. The DNC lawyers argued in court, and won, that they have every right to decide the candidate in the back rooms and no one running for the office (in that case it was Bernie) has any right or expectation that the process be fair. They can do whatever the hell they want to, stop overthinking this and assuming it's going to take murder or a bribe to get rid of him, basically if Obama and Pelosi really do decide he has to go they can make sure the convention goes however they want it to. No it won't be "democratic" but Dem primaries never have been that and legally don't have to be.

If it's that damn simple, why are Obama and the others panicking?

And no matter what you think, it will still be difficult to get another name on all the state ballots this late. The Dems don't control those rules. It would be simpler if Biden just resigned, the sooner the better.

P.S. You're not the only one who knows the Dems don't really have any rules when it comes to primaries, the convention and the nominating process. It's pretty obvious to anybody who follows politics. So get off your cute little high horse.

Yes it would be "simpler" if Biden resigns, and I think they are attempting to give him that option. They would very much prefer he resign and get to "go out his own way."

Also, if you know that then there's no real reason to have to pretend to get rid of him it's going to take bribes/murder/whatever other conspiracy that's more fun to think about. They can literally just do it and no one can stop them.

Get his name off the ballot? He's not officially the candidate yet, if states have actually printed ballots they really shouldn't have because there are no official candidates for either party until after each parties convention. If that actually is some sort of massive problem him resigning vs just being forced out wouldn't have any impact on that problem you'd still have to go and change the name on all these ballots in either scenario.

The reality is pretty simple, you guys don't want Biden off the ballot, and obviously you shouldn't. If he's the candidate Trump wins at least 40 states, but the back bending on this board about "oh they couldn't get his name off the ballots" or "oh they won't do it because old and black people would revolt" is just spin to wish cast what you want to happen. Whoever the Dem's nominate will be on every single ballot, and prior to this fallout the big story was how black people were revolting and leaving Biden in droves to the point where Trump is likely to get the highest share of black votes since the Civil Rights Act, but now all of a sudden Biden's the only person who can get black votes? Hilarious.

(07-12-2024 08:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-12-2024 07:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-12-2024 07:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  It's so cute you think they have to buy him off or kill him to get him out. They can literally just do it if they want to. It's written into the bylaws that the delegates Biden "won" don't have to vote for him, they still have Super Delegates who can go against him, and as I had to find out from a court ruling in 2017 they are not legally obligated to hold a fair primary at all. The DNC lawyers argued in court, and won, that they have every right to decide the candidate in the back rooms and no one running for the office (in that case it was Bernie) has any right or expectation that the process be fair. They can do whatever the hell they want to, stop overthinking this and assuming it's going to take murder or a bribe to get rid of him, basically if Obama and Pelosi really do decide he has to go they can make sure the convention goes however they want it to. No it won't be "democratic" but Dem primaries never have been that and legally don't have to be.

If it's that damn simple, why are Obama and the others panicking?

And no matter what you think, it will still be difficult to get another name on all the state ballots this late. The Dems don't control those rules. It would be simpler if Biden just resigned, the sooner the better.

P.S. You're not the only one who knows the Dems don't really have any rules when it comes to primaries, the convention and the nominating process. It's pretty obvious to anybody who follows politics. So get off your cute little high horse.

Yes it would be "simpler" if Biden resigns, and I think they are attempting to give him that option. They would very much prefer he resign and get to "go out his own way."

Also, if you know that then there's no real reason to have to pretend to get rid of him it's going to take bribes/murder/whatever other conspiracy that's more fun to think about. They can literally just do it and no one can stop them.

Get his name off the ballot? He's not officially the candidate yet, if states have actually printed ballots they really shouldn't have because there are no official candidates for either party until after each parties convention. If that actually is some sort of massive problem him resigning vs just being forced out wouldn't have any impact on that problem you'd still have to go and change the name on all these ballots in either scenario.

The reality is pretty simple, you guys don't want Biden off the ballot, and obviously you shouldn't. If he's the candidate Trump wins at least 40 states, but the back bending on this board about "oh they couldn't get his name off the ballots" or "oh they won't do it because old and black people would revolt" is just spin to wish cast what you want to happen. Whoever the Dem's nominate will be on every single ballot, and prior to this fallout the big story was how black people were revolting and leaving Biden in droves to the point where Trump is likely to get the highest share of black votes since the Civil Rights Act, but now all of a sudden Biden's the only person who can get black votes? Hilarious.

"You guys." Stop generalizing. I honestly don't give a sh!t who the Dems run. The next one up is Harris. She is even worse than Biden, lol.

And the bribe thing is NOT my idea. Again, I don't give a damn.

Ari Fleischer is one of those pundits who brought up the idea on air. Somehow, I think he knows more about what's up than you do.

And all I did was share that info here, so put your panties back in your britches.

(07-12-2024 08:00 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-12-2024 07:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  It's so cute you think they have to buy him off or kill him to get him out. They can literally just do it if they want to. It's written into the bylaws that the delegates Biden "won" don't have to vote for him, they still have Super Delegates who can go against him, and as I had to find out from a court ruling in 2017 they are not legally obligated to hold a fair primary at all. The DNC lawyers argued in court, and won, that they have every right to decide the candidate in the back rooms and no one running for the office (in that case it was Bernie) has any right or expectation that the process be fair. They can do whatever the hell they want to, stop overthinking this and assuming it's going to take murder or a bribe to get rid of him, basically if Obama and Pelosi really do decide he has to go they can make sure the convention goes however they want it to. No it won't be "democratic" but Dem primaries never have been that and legally don't have to be.

You're correct. HOWEVER, you can't make claims that "Our Democracy is at stake" and "Trump will dismantle our Democratic Processes" but then REFUSE TO ACCEPT the Democratic process to select the candidate for president. Unless this is one of those times where you need to burn the house down in order to "save" it...

When has that stopped them before? They refused to even have a democratic process in this "primary." They allowed zero debates, privately scared off anyone who mattered from trying to run, and even had multiple states remove all the other candidates from the primary ballot. They did all that and still have happily proclaimed that nonsense about "Democracy is at stake." They don't care about being hypocrites, the only people that actually believe that stuff would still believe it, and the ones that actually do believe that's on the line are the ones freaking out the most right now. The ones that believe there will never be another election if Trump wins are looking at this and saying you can't let this guy be the only thing standing in the way of ending democracy, so you can very very very easily spin that if you are the Dems.

Perhaps Hillary can have him Arkancided. The bigger problem is finding someone better and giving whoever that is the opportunity to build up a following at this late date. And even so, democrats are going to have a problem issue with the question, "You knew he was unfit, why did you let him stay on so long?" And some part of the answer to that has to be, "Because we knew Kamala was unfitter."

(07-12-2024 07:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-12-2024 07:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  It's so cute you think they have to buy him off or kill him to get him out. They can literally just do it if they want to. It's written into the bylaws that the delegates Biden "won" don't have to vote for him, they still have Super Delegates who can go against him, and as I had to find out from a court ruling in 2017 they are not legally obligated to hold a fair primary at all. The DNC lawyers argued in court, and won, that they have every right to decide the candidate in the back rooms and no one running for the office (in that case it was Bernie) has any right or expectation that the process be fair. They can do whatever the hell they want to, stop overthinking this and assuming it's going to take murder or a bribe to get rid of him, basically if Obama and Pelosi really do decide he has to go they can make sure the convention goes however they want it to. No it won't be "democratic" but Dem primaries never have been that and legally don't have to be.

If it's that damn simple, why are Obama and the others panicking?

And no matter what you think, it will still be difficult to get another name on all the state ballots this late. The Dems don't control those rules. It would be simpler if Biden just resigned, the sooner the better.

Btw, one of the pundits who mentioned on air that a bribe would be how the Dems plan to move out Biden (b/c they need it to happen now, not at the convention) was Ari Fleischer. Somehow, I think he has a better handle on this than anybody here, including you.

P.S. You're not the only one who knows the Dems don't really have any rules when it comes to primaries, the convention and the nominating process. It's pretty obvious to anybody who follows politics. So get off your cute little high horse.

I think it is a matter of optics.... Joe stepping down would be noble, diplomatic, dignified etc.... Joe getting ousted by a Dem end around would look really slimy etc...

It is as much a PR problem as it is anything else.

Ultimately the party has to do what it has to do. They are looking for the best way out, and each step from plan A, to plan B, to plan C worse than the last.

(07-12-2024 08:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Perhaps Hillary can have him Arkancided. The bigger problem is finding someone better and giving whoever that is the opportunity to build up a following at this late date. And even so, democrats are going to have a problem issue with the question, "You knew he was unfit, why did you let him stay on so long?" And some part of the answer to that has to be, "Because we knew Kamala was unfitter."

That's the actual only difficult thing about this process. For especially Kamala there's no way she can pretend she didn't know how unfit he was. Now maybe if they installed a Dem Governor they could semi plausibly say that I trusted what I was being told and had no interactions with him (it would still be garbage but something you could possibly sell)

This is going to be a problem now and it's going to be a problem for all these 2028 hopefuls who have sat back and either defended Biden or remained silent. If they allow Biden to stay and he loses a 40+ state bloodbath when the 2028 primary rolls around the only question any of these cowards will be asked is where were you back then when you knew he was unfit and everything was on the line?

Dean Phillips as the only elected Dem to have the stones to run against Biden and openly say he is too old to run again is going to age like fine wine. It's going to end up being like Obama being the only candidate in 08 to be against the Iraq War.

Not sure why the conservatives on this board want him out. He's the only one Trump is beating in the polls.