(07-11-2024 06:27 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 06:25 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me”

Trump goaded Joe into a debate. We all saw how that turned out.

Trump offering to play Joe a round of golf is another poke. Biden’s campaign apparently learned their lesson.

Trump can't help himself. It's crap like this that's making me not wanting to vote for him again.

Weird, it's stuff like this that's the only thing I enjoy about Trump. He's legitimately hilarious and one of the best trolls/trash talkers that has ever existed.

(07-11-2024 08:43 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It is what’s wrong with the Republican Party. Like this message board, there’s a lot of men running around in panties.

I knew I shouldn't had told you that about me.

OH MY! Trump is such a meanie, he's a bully.

Yet, I've never heard Trump talking about standing up to any "Popcorn" in the school yard. I'm sure with his mouth he'd get into a lot of arguments with his peers but I doubt he had to fight them off like Ol' Foggy did.

It's funny how people will vote, that they would not vote for someone who is brash but fail to see how much brasher the other guy is.
"sticks and stones can hurt my bones but words can never hurt me". Man up, little girls.

(07-11-2024 06:27 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 06:25 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me”

Trump goaded Joe into a debate. We all saw how that turned out.

Trump offering to play Joe a round of golf is another poke. Biden’s campaign apparently learned their lesson.

Trump can't help himself. It's crap like this that's making me not wanting to vote for him again.

Then you are using the wrong criteria from which to select a candidate for whom to vote. Dude, I thought I was a negative person.

I'm sick of your mewling about every damn thing. Do you cry like this is real life?

It's so bad that there are times I honestly believe you've been trolling us and are actually a dem yourself.

(07-12-2024 05:49 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 06:27 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 06:25 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me”

Trump goaded Joe into a debate. We all saw how that turned out.

Trump offering to play Joe a round of golf is another poke. Biden’s campaign apparently learned their lesson.

Trump can't help himself. It's crap like this that's making me not wanting to vote for him again.

Then you are using the wrong criteria from which to select a candidate for whom to vote. Dude, I thought I was a negative person.

I'm sick of your mewling about every damn thing. Do you cry like this is real life?

It's so bad that there are times I honestly believe you've been trolling us and are actually a dem yourself.

I agree with this statement specifically. IMO many (too many) hate Trump the personality and really do not know or care to know about his politics.

I think Trump is a douche too, but I respect what he is trying to accomplish. People get hung up on - Well Trump is just in it for himself... Those people are f-ing blind if they cannot acknowledge that ALL politicians at that level are in it for themselves FFS.

Trump is absolutely trying to get his, but he wants to share that with everyone.... and that is the difference.... and it is a huge difference from the Dems.

Bill Clinton was a sleazy guy to me, but I liked his policy so I voted for him.

IDGAF that Trump is a meanie... I believe he is fighting for all of us, not just a select few of us.

Trump IS a doosh. So? I pretty much am too these days.

Who would you rather had your 6, a doosh or a commie tommie type?

This one of those "right and wrong at the same time" moments.

You guys - - TB4E, Eldonable and Bartlett specifically, but pretty much 90% of the posters on this forum generally - - are absolutely right. Trump's personality flaws are irrelevant to his fitness for president, and in fact may even be an advantage. There's a reason that Putin acted up under both Obama and Biden, but not under Trump. That reason may very well come down to his i.d.g.a.f. personality.

But you guys are simultaneously wrong in suggesting that his personality doesn't matter with regard to his electability. Just because you can see past his unpleasant mannerisms does not mean that others can as well. There are (just to pick a few made up examples) tens of thousands of bored and overfed women in Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota who have little better to do than pass judgment on the meanness of that guy from New York. There are tens of thousands of Hispanic voters in Arizona and Nevada who don't like the anti-Catholic direction that the Democrats have taken, but still harbor some resentment to the "rapists" slander (inaccurate, I know, but still bandied about) from the 2016 election. And, stupid as it is, there still are lots of voters everywhere who are sensitive to accusations of bigotry, which is the only language that leftists know how to speak.

I wish voting were restricted to those who can pass a basic civics test. But it's not. Trump to his credit his year has so far kept his bombast to a minimum. Pray that he can keep it up.

The whiney liberals and the spineless “Republicans” who select their candidate based on mean tweets and political gamesmanship are the problem.

None of them have ever been around the typical person with notoriety or power. You’re being foolish if you don’t think 99.9% of politicians, athletes, actors, actresses even ministers are just like Trump.

Some people act like they’re going to marry the politicians. News flash: ALL politicians look down their noses at you. It doesn’t matter if they’re Democrat or Republican, they see you as being beneath them. (I learned this truth years ago working as a caddy at Louisville Country Club.)

These people who fell for the Scranton Joe, Lunchpail Joe, Nice Ol’ Grandpa schtick are responsible for the situation we find ourselves in.

Inflation we haven’t seen since the 70’s. A government flying unvetted immigrants to every corner of the country. Foreign policy that’s brought us to the brink of another World War.

Seldom do we get a chance to right a terrible wrong. Compare the last two administrations. Grow some balls and then make an informed choice.

(07-12-2024 07:40 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  This one of those "right and wrong at the same time" moments.

You guys - - TB4E, Eldonable and Bartlett specifically, but pretty much 90% of the posters on this forum generally - - are absolutely right. Trump's personality flaws are irrelevant to his fitness for president, and in fact may even be an advantage. There's a reason that Putin acted up under both Obama and Biden, but not under Trump. That reason may very well come down to his i.d.g.a.f. personality.

But you guys are simultaneously wrong in suggesting that his personality doesn't matter with regard to his electability. Just because you can see past his unpleasant mannerisms does not mean that others can as well. There are (just to pick a few made up examples) tens of thousands of bored and overfed women in Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota who have little better to do than pass judgment on the meanness of that guy from New York. There are tens of thousands of Hispanic voters in Arizona and Nevada who don't like the anti-Catholic direction that the Democrats have taken, but still harbor some resentment to the "rapists" slander (inaccurate, I know, but still bandied about) from the 2016 election. And, stupid as it is, there still are lots of voters everywhere who are sensitive to accusations of bigotry, which is the only language that leftists know how to speak.

I wish voting were restricted to those who can pass a basic civics test. But it's not. Trump to his credit his year has so far kept his bombast to a minimum. Pray that he can keep it up.

There are plenty of things about his personality that are repellant to some people, but this was the exact type of thing about his personality that people like. This golf thing and his trolling of Biden is Trump at his absolute best, because it's brutally honest, funny, relatable, and feels like something any of us would say about him in that situation.

(07-11-2024 08:01 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 07:51 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 06:44 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 06:27 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 06:25 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me”

Trump goaded Joe into a debate. We all saw how that turned out.

Trump offering to play Joe a round of golf is another poke. Biden’s campaign apparently learned their lesson.

Trump can't help himself. It's crap like this that's making me not wanting to vote for him again.

I'm okay with this level of trolling. At least for the moment.

Trump is like a cat that has cornered a fatally wounded mouse and is toying with it. Not anything to cheer over, but no one much cares about the fate of the dying mouse at this point.

Yet this is only temporary. When the mouse carcass is finally discarded (my prediction remains that it will happen by Aug. 2), the cat is going to have to play a new and better game. Just admiring himself in the mirror and occasionally licking his own privates is not going to cut is when a new dog is introduced into the drama. The cat had better be ready to respond with more that just yowls and hisses when that happens.

Is Trump up to the coming challenge? Like you, andy, I have my doubts.

Biden brought up the golf thing first, not Trump.

Yup. The squeak of a cornered and dying mouse. And Trump made him pay for it - - which I am fine with, although it is starting to get a little old.

But looking ahead: Do you, 3A, agree with me and andy that Trump is going to have to show a whole 'nother level of political skill when the Biden replacement is parachuted into the contest? Or instead do you, like shere (and some others), think that Donald is just fine as is and all we need to do is cheerlead him on to victory?

As usual, you and I have a huge split in how we look at this. I just don't think like that. It's not up to me to try to manage Trump's personality from afar.

Would I like him to be a good boy along with his policies that I prefer over any Dem? Sure.

But nobody is perfect, and he beat a legit field in the primaries, unlike the crooked Dems, whom Bon Boy just reminded us don't actually have to play by any rules b/c they don't really believe in democracy.

I'm not going to get exercised about Trump's personality b/c I have no control over it. Would I like him to be less of a target by his own personality? Sure.

But who the hell is a perfect candidate?

I say this with all due respect, but I'm just amazed every day how much you focus on Trump's personality vs. the dumpster fire that is Biden. I can't imagine how far you would be spun up if you were pulling for the Dem candidate, lol.

Also, just b/c Trump provides an easy target for the Dems at times doesn't mean another candidate would fare any better. The Dems demonize everybody who runs against them. Par for the course. And they of course are not beyond doing anything at all to win.

So whether Trump acts like a good boy or not is WAY down the list of things I even think about, much less worry about.

(07-12-2024 07:40 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  This one of those "right and wrong at the same time" moments.

You guys - - TB4E, Eldonable and Bartlett specifically, but pretty much 90% of the posters on this forum generally - - are absolutely right. Trump's personality flaws are irrelevant to his fitness for president, and in fact may even be an advantage. There's a reason that Putin acted up under both Obama and Biden, but not under Trump. That reason may very well come down to his i.d.g.a.f. personality.

But you guys are simultaneously wrong in suggesting that his personality doesn't matter with regard to his electability. Just because you can see past his unpleasant mannerisms does not mean that others can as well. There are (just to pick a few made up examples) tens of thousands of bored and overfed women in Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota who have little better to do than pass judgment on the meanness of that guy from New York. There are tens of thousands of Hispanic voters in Arizona and Nevada who don't like the anti-Catholic direction that the Democrats have taken, but still harbor some resentment to the "rapists" slander (inaccurate, I know, but still bandied about) from the 2016 election. And, stupid as it is, there still are lots of voters everywhere who are sensitive to accusations of bigotry, which is the only language that leftists know how to speak.

I wish voting were restricted to those who can pass a basic civics test. But it's not. Trump to his credit his year has so far kept his bombast to a minimum. Pray that he can keep it up.

That is not what I said.... in short, I don't care about his personality, only his politics.

And that is the problem with the masses - most don't care about his politics and only give a shard about his personal abrasiveness and egocentric personality. That dumb skull cap lady who screamed NOOOOOO (great meme) has no f-ing clue that Trump would and will work just as hard for her as he will for anyone else because she is an American. The Dems could give a fuk about her until it is time to pull the lever in the voting box.

(07-12-2024 08:47 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(07-12-2024 07:40 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  This one of those "right and wrong at the same time" moments.

You guys - - TB4E, Eldonable and Bartlett specifically, but pretty much 90% of the posters on this forum generally - - are absolutely right. Trump's personality flaws are irrelevant to his fitness for president, and in fact may even be an advantage. There's a reason that Putin acted up under both Obama and Biden, but not under Trump. That reason may very well come down to his i.d.g.a.f. personality.

But you guys are simultaneously wrong in suggesting that his personality doesn't matter with regard to his electability. Just because you can see past his unpleasant mannerisms does not mean that others can as well. There are (just to pick a few made up examples) tens of thousands of bored and overfed women in Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota who have little better to do than pass judgment on the meanness of that guy from New York. There are tens of thousands of Hispanic voters in Arizona and Nevada who don't like the anti-Catholic direction that the Democrats have taken, but still harbor some resentment to the "rapists" slander (inaccurate, I know, but still bandied about) from the 2016 election. And, stupid as it is, there still are lots of voters everywhere who are sensitive to accusations of bigotry, which is the only language that leftists know how to speak.

I wish voting were restricted to those who can pass a basic civics test. But it's not. Trump to his credit his year has so far kept his bombast to a minimum. Pray that he can keep it up.

That is not what I said.... in short, I don't care about his personality, only his politics.

And that is the problem with the masses - most don't care about his politics and only give a shard about his personal abrasiveness and egocentric personality. That dumb skull cap lady who screamed NOOOOOO (great meme) has no f-ing clue that Trump would and will work just as hard for her as he will for anyone else because she is an American. The Dems could give a fuk about her until it is time to pull the lever in the voting box.

I may be reading too much into your post above. (I do that a lot, and my apologies if I've done it again.)

What I took from your post is your joinder with TB4E in criticizing andy for being upset enough at Trump over the golf nonsense to not vote for him. And I agree with you. That is a dumb reason not to vote for Donald Trump.

But andy (like every other American citizen) has a right to cast a vote however he or she sees fit, even for dumb reasons. Which is, in my view, why Donald Trump is a risky choice as Republican candidate. Because he actively invites people to find reasons to dislike him.

Some will see past that. Many will not.

3A, please forgive the tanq.-like split reply, but I'd like to offer responses on two different points that you've made:

(07-12-2024 08:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I say this with all due respect, but I'm just amazed every day how much you focus on Trump's personality vs. the dumpster fire that is Biden. I can't imagine how far you would be spun up if you were pulling for the Dem candidate, lol.

I enjoy the free exchange of debate here, without the need to tiptoe around sensitivities. My professional life requires me to steer clear of offending others -- to the point of sometimes having to suck up to people who I do not think all that highly of from either an intelligence or values standpoint. I refuse to do that here.

You, 3A, don't strike me as a wilting flower. But even if you are, I don't care. If you are a participant in these discussions, you're going to get candid responses. I'm not doing that to troll. I am doing it to make a point as clearly as my limited communications skills allow.

Quote:Also, just b/c Trump provides an easy target for the Dems at times doesn't mean another candidate would fare any better. The Dems demonize everybody who runs against them. Par for the course. And they of course are not beyond doing anything at all to win.

So whether Trump acts like a good boy or not is WAY down the list of things I even think about, much less worry about.

I disagree. Other candidates would have fared MUCH better. Any of DeSantis, Ramaswamy and even Haley would have made absolute mincemeat of Joe Biden. And they would have been much better at dealing with an adversarial press.

The election would not have been close. Thanks to Donald and his hard-to-like persona, at least in my personal opinion, this will be a close election. Especially when Biden is replaced, which I remain convinced WILL happen.

(07-12-2024 09:03 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-12-2024 08:47 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(07-12-2024 07:40 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  This one of those "right and wrong at the same time" moments.

You guys - - TB4E, Eldonable and Bartlett specifically, but pretty much 90% of the posters on this forum generally - - are absolutely right. Trump's personality flaws are irrelevant to his fitness for president, and in fact may even be an advantage. There's a reason that Putin acted up under both Obama and Biden, but not under Trump. That reason may very well come down to his i.d.g.a.f. personality.

But you guys are simultaneously wrong in suggesting that his personality doesn't matter with regard to his electability. Just because you can see past his unpleasant mannerisms does not mean that others can as well. There are (just to pick a few made up examples) tens of thousands of bored and overfed women in Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota who have little better to do than pass judgment on the meanness of that guy from New York. There are tens of thousands of Hispanic voters in Arizona and Nevada who don't like the anti-Catholic direction that the Democrats have taken, but still harbor some resentment to the "rapists" slander (inaccurate, I know, but still bandied about) from the 2016 election. And, stupid as it is, there still are lots of voters everywhere who are sensitive to accusations of bigotry, which is the only language that leftists know how to speak.

I wish voting were restricted to those who can pass a basic civics test. But it's not. Trump to his credit his year has so far kept his bombast to a minimum. Pray that he can keep it up.

That is not what I said.... in short, I don't care about his personality, only his politics.

And that is the problem with the masses - most don't care about his politics and only give a shard about his personal abrasiveness and egocentric personality. That dumb skull cap lady who screamed NOOOOOO (great meme) has no f-ing clue that Trump would and will work just as hard for her as he will for anyone else because she is an American. The Dems could give a fuk about her until it is time to pull the lever in the voting box.

I may be reading too much into your post above. (I do that a lot, and my apologies if I've done it again.)

What I took from your post is your joinder with TB4E in criticizing andy for being upset enough at Trump over the golf nonsense to not vote for him. And I agree with you. That is a dumb reason not to vote for Donald Trump.

But andy (like every other American citizen) has a right to cast a vote however he or she sees fit, even for dumb reasons. Which is, in my view, why Donald Trump is a risky choice as Republican candidate. Because he actively invites people to find reasons to dislike him.

Some will see past that. Many will not.

You are correct.... we are on the same page.

It is the core deficiency in today's world. People cannot separate personality from substance. Winning a popularity contest does not mean you are actually qualified to do shidt.




I will give Tom Credit here because he will back up his "anti Trump" stance with his views on his differences with Trump Policies and overall politics. He muddies it with all the personal shots he takes, but I think his dislike of Trump is rooted in policy.

Frankly, we all get caught up in Dementia Joe and forget about all the actual "Presidential Politics Things" we do not like about him. It's low hanging fruit for the debaters.

People hate Trump because the media tells them to. The power of suggestion is strong, and when it’s used by what some people considered to be authority, it gains even more power.

(07-12-2024 09:47 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  3A, please forgive the tanq.-like split reply, but I'd like to offer responses on two different points that you've made:

(07-12-2024 08:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I say this with all due respect, but I'm just amazed every day how much you focus on Trump's personality vs. the dumpster fire that is Biden. I can't imagine how far you would be spun up if you were pulling for the Dem candidate, lol.

I enjoy the free exchange of debate here, without the need to tiptoe around sensitivities. My professional life requires me to steer clear of offending others -- to the point of sometimes having to suck up to people who I do not think all that highly of from either an intelligence or values standpoint. I refuse to do that here.

You, 3A, don't strike me as a wilting flower. But even if you are, I don't care. If you are a participant in these discussions, you're going to get candid responses. I'm not doing that to troll. I am doing it to make a point as clearly as my limited communications skills allow.

Quote:Also, just b/c Trump provides an easy target for the Dems at times doesn't mean another candidate would fare any better. The Dems demonize everybody who runs against them. Par for the course. And they of course are not beyond doing anything at all to win.

So whether Trump acts like a good boy or not is WAY down the list of things I even think about, much less worry about.

I disagree. Other candidates would have fared MUCH better. Any of DeSantis, Ramaswamy and even Haley would have made absolute mincemeat of Joe Biden. And they would have been much better at dealing with an adversarial press.

The election would not have been close. Thanks to Donald and his hard-to-like persona, at least in my personal opinion, this will be a close election. Especially when Biden is replaced, which I remain convinced WILL happen.

Easy answers.

1. I'm not a wilting flower, lol. I try to be measured and polite, but poke me in what I perceive to be an unfair or dishonest manner, and I bite back.

I have no issue with you opening yourself up emotionally. Fine. I just continue to marvel at how much you focus on Trump's personality. I just don't think like that, so when I read all that, it's like taking a polar bear plunge for me, lol.

2. After re-reading my original post, I see that I didn't make myself clear at all.

I certainly didn't mean that other candidates wouldn't fare any better than Trump vs. Biden. I think there are plenty, and you named a few.

No, I meant, they wouldn't fare any better in their treatment by the Dems. They would still be demonized. They were in the process of doing that to DeSantis early on.

How effective that might have been against other candidates, we'll eventually see in 2028, but the Dems are quite capable of "Russia Russia Russia" or spying, lying or whatever with any Rep candidate, not just Trump, so how others poll now would not necessarily be as bad as how they could look in the future, b/c the ray guns aren't aimed at anyone else right now.

Trump gives them an easier target, but my point was they will still figure out how to diminish whatever candidate is in front of them, going forward. They will get the same treatment. THAT was my point, not well stated.

But certainly if we had DeSantis or Haley or another candidate instead of Trump, this wouldn't even be a race.

Damn...I'm not that stupid...

(07-12-2024 10:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-12-2024 09:47 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  3A, please forgive the tanq.-like split reply, but I'd like to offer responses on two different points that you've made:

(07-12-2024 08:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I say this with all due respect, but I'm just amazed every day how much you focus on Trump's personality vs. the dumpster fire that is Biden. I can't imagine how far you would be spun up if you were pulling for the Dem candidate, lol.

I enjoy the free exchange of debate here, without the need to tiptoe around sensitivities. My professional life requires me to steer clear of offending others -- to the point of sometimes having to suck up to people who I do not think all that highly of from either an intelligence or values standpoint. I refuse to do that here.

You, 3A, don't strike me as a wilting flower. But even if you are, I don't care. If you are a participant in these discussions, you're going to get candid responses. I'm not doing that to troll. I am doing it to make a point as clearly as my limited communications skills allow.

Quote:Also, just b/c Trump provides an easy target for the Dems at times doesn't mean another candidate would fare any better. The Dems demonize everybody who runs against them. Par for the course. And they of course are not beyond doing anything at all to win.

So whether Trump acts like a good boy or not is WAY down the list of things I even think about, much less worry about.

I disagree. Other candidates would have fared MUCH better. Any of DeSantis, Ramaswamy and even Haley would have made absolute mincemeat of Joe Biden. And they would have been much better at dealing with an adversarial press.

The election would not have been close. Thanks to Donald and his hard-to-like persona, at least in my personal opinion, this will be a close election. Especially when Biden is replaced, which I remain convinced WILL happen.

Easy answers.

1. I'm not a wilting flower, lol. I try to be measured and polite, but poke me in what I perceive to be an unfair or dishonest manner, and I bite back.

I have no issue with you opening yourself up emotionally. Fine. I just continue to marvel at how much you focus on Trump's personality. I just don't think like that, so when I read all that, it's like taking a polar bear plunge for me, lol.

2. After re-reading my original post, I see that I didn't make myself clear at all.

I certainly didn't mean that other candidates wouldn't fare any better than Trump vs. Biden. I think there are plenty, and you named a few.

No, I meant, they wouldn't fare any better in their treatment by the Dems. They would still be demonized. They were in the process of doing that to DeSantis early on.

How effective that might have been against other candidates, we'll eventually see in 2028, but the Dems are quite capable of "Russia Russia Russia" or spying, lying or whatever with any Rep candidate, not just Trump, so how others poll now would not necessarily be as bad as how they could look in the future, b/c the ray guns aren't aimed at anyone else right now.

Trump gives them an easier target, but my point was they will still figure out how to diminish whatever candidate is in front of them, going forward. They will get the same treatment. THAT was my point, not well stated.

But certainly if we had DeSantis or Haley or another candidate instead of Trump, this wouldn't even be a race.

Damn...I'm not that stupid...

Both of you could be right. And both of you could be wrong. Nobody knows how any of the other candidates would fare against this media. What we do know, though is that Trump is the one who will try and clean out this mess in Washington. None of the others have the experience of dealing with the swamp that Trump does. Like it or not, at this point, Trump is the best choice.

(07-12-2024 10:24 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(07-12-2024 10:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-12-2024 09:47 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  3A, please forgive the tanq.-like split reply, but I'd like to offer responses on two different points that you've made:

(07-12-2024 08:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I say this with all due respect, but I'm just amazed every day how much you focus on Trump's personality vs. the dumpster fire that is Biden. I can't imagine how far you would be spun up if you were pulling for the Dem candidate, lol.

I enjoy the free exchange of debate here, without the need to tiptoe around sensitivities. My professional life requires me to steer clear of offending others -- to the point of sometimes having to suck up to people who I do not think all that highly of from either an intelligence or values standpoint. I refuse to do that here.

You, 3A, don't strike me as a wilting flower. But even if you are, I don't care. If you are a participant in these discussions, you're going to get candid responses. I'm not doing that to troll. I am doing it to make a point as clearly as my limited communications skills allow.

Quote:Also, just b/c Trump provides an easy target for the Dems at times doesn't mean another candidate would fare any better. The Dems demonize everybody who runs against them. Par for the course. And they of course are not beyond doing anything at all to win.

So whether Trump acts like a good boy or not is WAY down the list of things I even think about, much less worry about.

I disagree. Other candidates would have fared MUCH better. Any of DeSantis, Ramaswamy and even Haley would have made absolute mincemeat of Joe Biden. And they would have been much better at dealing with an adversarial press.

The election would not have been close. Thanks to Donald and his hard-to-like persona, at least in my personal opinion, this will be a close election. Especially when Biden is replaced, which I remain convinced WILL happen.

Easy answers.

1. I'm not a wilting flower, lol. I try to be measured and polite, but poke me in what I perceive to be an unfair or dishonest manner, and I bite back.

I have no issue with you opening yourself up emotionally. Fine. I just continue to marvel at how much you focus on Trump's personality. I just don't think like that, so when I read all that, it's like taking a polar bear plunge for me, lol.

2. After re-reading my original post, I see that I didn't make myself clear at all.

I certainly didn't mean that other candidates wouldn't fare any better than Trump vs. Biden. I think there are plenty, and you named a few.

No, I meant, they wouldn't fare any better in their treatment by the Dems. They would still be demonized. They were in the process of doing that to DeSantis early on.

How effective that might have been against other candidates, we'll eventually see in 2028, but the Dems are quite capable of "Russia Russia Russia" or spying, lying or whatever with any Rep candidate, not just Trump, so how others poll now would not necessarily be as bad as how they could look in the future, b/c the ray guns aren't aimed at anyone else right now.

Trump gives them an easier target, but my point was they will still figure out how to diminish whatever candidate is in front of them, going forward. They will get the same treatment. THAT was my point, not well stated.

But certainly if we had DeSantis or Haley or another candidate instead of Trump, this wouldn't even be a race.

Damn...I'm not that stupid...

Both of you could be right. And both of you could be wrong. Nobody knows how any of the other candidates would fare against this media. What we do know, though is that Trump is the one who will try and clean out this mess in Washington. None of the others have the experience of dealing with the swamp that Trump does. Like it or not, at this point, Trump is the best choice.

IDK what I could be right or wrong about. I'm not even disagreeing with AM. Just trying to clarify something that was confusing on my part. He and I agree that others would do better in this race than Trump vs. Biden.

Maybe Trump is the "best candidate to clean up the mess" (good luck with that swamp draining!), but if you think DeSantis or Haley or Rubio couldn't do better than Trump against Biden this time around, we might as well cut off the convo right here...

That's a different take than who might clean things up the best. We'tre talking about who could get the most votes. I'm convinced any reasonable Rep candidate who ran in the primaries could do better than Trump this November.

Trump is running against a vegetable, Trump had a good policy record in his 4 years, and he is barely ahead now.

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IDK what I could be right or wrong about. I'm not even disagreeing with AM. Just trying to clarify something that was confusing on my part. He and I agree that others would do better in this race than Trump vs. Biden.

Maybe Trump is the "best candidate to clean up the mess" (good luck with that swamp draining!), but if you think DeSantis or Haley or Rubio couldn't do better than Trump against Biden this time around, we might as well cut off the convo right here...

That's a different take than who might clean things up the best. We'tre talking about who could get the most votes. I'm convinced any reasonable Rep candidate who ran in the primaries could do better than Trump this November.

Trump is running against a vegetable, Trump had a good policy record in his 4 years, and he is barely ahead now.
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I'm 53. Never voted or even registered until this year. The ONLY reason I'm voting is because of Trump. I might be the only one, but sincerely doubt it. My guess is that a lot of folks have started voting because of Trump.

To all those that are voting Demonic, all I can say if you win and get the shaft for four more years, "no lloren despues", (don't cry afterwards) you've made your bed and now have to lie on it, bedbugs, and piss stains and all.