(05-08-2024 10:10 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 10:02 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 09:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  Has he denied having the documents? I'm not aware of him denying any of them. His argument was that he was allowed to possess them. So while it seems as though the prosecution may have not handled the documents properly that doesn't mean that Trump didn't possess them illegally. That will play out in court still.

Why isn't Biden* in court?

He should be. But he is also currently the President, so you can't charge him while he is in office. Granted, we know he won't be charged.

I’ll address the first question. Trump claimed he declassified the documents he had. That brought up the whole can he declassify vs did he vs is it legal. The problem lies with if he had that power and declassified documents before he left office. So let’s say he declassified all the files his team boxed up and sent to MAL. There was a pallet of files GSA demanded he take control of, and at that point he had no declassification power. Next part to it is that A. The FBI staged a photo shoot and admitted to it showing classified documents and B. The files were out of order, so we don’t know what’s been put in there or not. It’s really a CF that had everything been presented in the up and up and JS not push for a quick trial might’ve come out. Might not’ve. Don’t know.

Biden’s problem is different since the files were from his time as a Senator and VP where he couldn’t declassify or claim immunity. However Hur made it clear that he’s too incompetent to stand trial for it.

(05-08-2024 09:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  Has he denied having the documents? I'm not aware of him denying any of them. His argument was that he was allowed to possess them. So while it seems as though the prosecution may have not handled the documents properly that doesn't mean that Trump didn't possess them illegally. That will play out in court still.

Right.

Or, they brought them along with them for the photo-op.

Just like the helicopter footage and frogmen in backyard puddles for arresting an elderly man and his wife in a night coat.

Do you honestly still trust these clowns?

They’re as much a threat as, say, the fake “student” terrorist sympathizers.

Recent raids on these new “CHOPS” show that most are between 35-50% non-student paid rabble rousers.

Good luck Columbia, we bid thee a fair thee well.

(05-08-2024 10:10 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 10:02 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 09:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  Has he denied having the documents? I'm not aware of him denying any of them. His argument was that he was allowed to possess them. So while it seems as though the prosecution may have not handled the documents properly that doesn't mean that Trump didn't possess them illegally. That will play out in court still.

Why isn't Biden* in court?

He should be. But he is also currently the President, so you can't charge him while he is in office. Granted, we know he won't be charged.

You honestly believe Sloe* is the current President? Mmmmmkay

(05-08-2024 11:25 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  You honestly believe Sloe* is the current President? Mmmmmkay

I don't doubt that he is just a puppet for some other people. But at the end of the day, he does have the title.

Quote:Right.

Or, they brought them along with them for the photo-op.

Just like the helicopter footage and frogmen in backyard puddles for arresting an elderly man and his wife in a night coat.

Do you honestly still trust these clowns?

Has Trump denied having those documents? I haven't heard him once say he didn't take them. He just said he had declassified them. I would have thought his first statement would have been outright denial of ever having them in his possession if he didn't have them.

(05-08-2024 11:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 11:25 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  You honestly believe Sloe* is the current President? Mmmmmkay

I don't doubt that he is just a puppet for some other people. But at the end of the day, he does have the title.

Quote:Right.

Or, they brought them along with them for the photo-op.

Just like the helicopter footage and frogmen in backyard puddles for arresting an elderly man and his wife in a night coat.

Do you honestly still trust these clowns?

Has Trump denied having those documents? I haven't heard him once say he didn't take them. He just said he had declassified them. I would have thought his first statement would have been outright denial of ever having them in his possession if he didn't have them.

Go back to my response above.

There's too many moving parts.

1. Trump declassified documents he had in his possession at MAL.
2. GSA had a pallet in VA that they demanded be picked up after Trump had left the WH. The problem is no one knows what was on that pallet.
3. The FBI staged a photo shoot showing files with the Classified paper on the front, but have since admitted they staged it.
4. When going back through the evidence, what was scanned in doesn't match the boxes.

Given this, I think the FBI and DOJ/Jack Smith can't prove what Trump declassified on his way out and what was on the pallets cause they fiddle f*cked around with it trying to be sneaky after the photo shoot that was leaked to the media.

(05-08-2024 11:25 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 10:10 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 10:02 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 09:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  Has he denied having the documents? I'm not aware of him denying any of them. His argument was that he was allowed to possess them. So while it seems as though the prosecution may have not handled the documents properly that doesn't mean that Trump didn't possess them illegally. That will play out in court still.

Why isn't Biden* in court?

He should be. But he is also currently the President, so you can't charge him while he is in office. Granted, we know he won't be charged.

You honestly believe Sloe* is the current President? Mmmmmkay

Well, his name in on the letterhead.....

(05-08-2024 12:17 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 11:25 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 10:10 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 10:02 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 09:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  Has he denied having the documents? I'm not aware of him denying any of them. His argument was that he was allowed to possess them. So while it seems as though the prosecution may have not handled the documents properly that doesn't mean that Trump didn't possess them illegally. That will play out in court still.

Why isn't Biden* in court?

He should be. But he is also currently the President, so you can't charge him while he is in office. Granted, we know he won't be charged.

You honestly believe Sloe* is the current President? Mmmmmkay

Well, his name in on the letterhead.....

Yep, he's like a boats figurehead leading the way through the seas but really haven't anything to do with it...all the while his mind is out at sea.

(05-08-2024 11:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 11:25 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  You honestly believe Sloe* is the current President? Mmmmmkay

I don't doubt that he is just a puppet for some other people. But at the end of the day, he does have the title.

Quote:Right.

Or, they brought them along with them for the photo-op.

Just like the helicopter footage and frogmen in backyard puddles for arresting an elderly man and his wife in a night coat.

Do you honestly still trust these clowns?

Has Trump denied having those documents? I haven't heard him once say he didn't take them. He just said he had declassified them. I would have thought his first statement would have been outright denial of ever having them in his possession if he didn't have them.

They knew he took them. How else would they know HE had them? Also, GSA dropped off a large supply of them. Remember, they asked for several boxes to be sent back and Trump Co. complied. He kept what HE decided was HIS. They knew he had them and they were in talks about it. Then the Biden Admin got involved and they raided his home. The question you need to ask yourself is why didn't Archives treat Trump like they did Obama. They sent all of Obama's records to Chicago and set up a SCIF to house them UNATTENDED AND UNGUARDED. MAL has a SCIF because Trump is a former POTUS and has clearance. Seems like that would have been the simplest thing to do, but no the FEDs had to raid the place to get back letters from Obama and Kim Un. This case is dead, and there is a good chance some Feds will get indicted. Guaranteed if/when Trump becomes POTUS as it should be. This Communist garbage has to stop. It never ends well.

(05-08-2024 11:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 11:25 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  You honestly believe Sloe* is the current President? Mmmmmkay

I don't doubt that he is just a puppet for some other people. But at the end of the day, he does have the title.

Quote:Right.

Or, they brought them along with them for the photo-op.

Just like the helicopter footage and frogmen in backyard puddles for arresting an elderly man and his wife in a night coat.

Do you honestly still trust these clowns?

Has Trump denied having those documents? I haven't heard him once say he didn't take them. He just said he had declassified them. I would have thought his first statement would have been outright denial of ever having them in his possession if he didn't have them.

Since no one else has asked you, I will....

which documents?

Next question explain why Trump, like every other President, was not allowed to have "those documents"? Before you go to your "you or I would be in prison". I don't believe neither of us are former presidents. I don't believe you or I have a SCIF in our home or the Clarence that a former president holds.

"Those documents" just don't cut it so I ask again which documents? I'm assuming from the context of post after post you made on this subject....

you believe Trump should be in prison, and I think you said that many other times. In that context a "those documents" just doesn't cut it because again in my opinion that seems to be all you care about. Also where you are going with that question.

(05-08-2024 03:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  "Those documents" just don't cut it so I ask again which documents?

C'mon man. The documents MSNBC showed pics of. Those documents.

(05-08-2024 03:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Since no one else has asked you, I will....

which documents?

Next question explain why Trump, like every other President, was not allowed to have "those documents"? Before you go to your "you or I would be in prison". I don't believe neither of us are former presidents. I don't believe you or I have a SCIF in our home or the Clarence that a former president holds.

"Those documents" just don't cut it so I ask again which documents? I'm assuming from the context of post after post you made on this subject....

you believe Trump should be in prison, and I think you said that many other times. In that context a "those documents" just doesn't cut it because again in my opinion that seems to be all you care about. Also where you are going with that question.

First thing first, I said if he broke the law he should be treated the same as you and I.

Second, these documents. https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/wha...indictment



Third, the courts will decide if he legally had them or not. It doesn't seem as though Trump is even arguing whether he could have had them *IF* they were classified still. They argued that he had declassified them, hence they didn't need to be stored in a SCIF.

Lastly, you stated that he had a SCIF at MAL. Has Trump stated that? I haven't heard him or his lawyers ever state that it was a SCIF. I would highly doubt they'd allow a SCIF to be at MAL because of the type of facility it is. Too many people going in and out, too many foreign nationals as well.

It seems like a lot of people are making excuses for the documents that Trump himself has not used, at least not in the articles I've read regarding the court proceedings.

(05-09-2024 09:51 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 03:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Since no one else has asked you, I will....

which documents?

Next question explain why Trump, like every other President, was not allowed to have "those documents"? Before you go to your "you or I would be in prison". I don't believe neither of us are former presidents. I don't believe you or I have a SCIF in our home or the Clarence that a former president holds.

"Those documents" just don't cut it so I ask again which documents? I'm assuming from the context of post after post you made on this subject....

you believe Trump should be in prison, and I think you said that many other times. In that context a "those documents" just doesn't cut it because again in my opinion that seems to be all you care about. Also where you are going with that question.

First thing first, I said if he broke the law he should be treated the same as you and I.

Second, these documents. https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/wha...indictment



Third, the courts will decide if he legally had them or not. It doesn't seem as though Trump is even arguing whether he could have had them *IF* they were classified still. They argued that he had declassified them, hence they didn't need to be stored in a SCIF.

Lastly, you stated that he had a SCIF at MAL. Has Trump stated that? I haven't heard him or his lawyers ever state that it was a SCIF. I would highly doubt they'd allow a SCIF to be at MAL because of the type of facility it is. Too many people going in and out, too many foreign nationals as well.

It seems like a lot of people are making excuses for the documents that Trump himself has not used, at least not in the articles I've read regarding the court proceedings.

I'm not sure if he had a SCIF, but he might've had a secure materials room. Same premise but not built the same. There was a comment during one of the visits where they noted the lock that was used to secure the items was incorrect. To someone not in the know, it's not a padlock or a lock like you can buy off the shelf, it's a specialty lock which tells me he had a safe or some type of secure room where he was storing documents that wouldn't allow just any random person in. And considering what all he'd need to do to make it a secure space, a man of his means could afford it.

(05-08-2024 06:52 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 06:40 AM)gdunn Wrote:  This classified docs case has been a fecal matter show...

Like all those photos of "classified" documents that certain folks here were excited about, come to find out where staged by the FBI...

Everyone involved needs to be relieved of their duties and this administration needs to be held accountable..

Now that there no longer is a pre-election trial to wank off over, expect instead for the players in this classified-documents nonsense to all take the cowardly tanq. approach - - disappear and let the media pretend that this was never that big a deal to begin with.

Bunch of America-hating weasels.

Somehow that doesn’t quite mesh with your earlier explanation of these lawfare bullchit.

(05-08-2024 09:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  Has he denied having the documents? I'm not aware of him denying any of them. His argument was that he was allowed to possess them. So while it seems as though the prosecution may have not handled the documents properly that doesn't mean that Trump didn't possess them illegally. That will play out in court still.

With all that has transpired you still have hope. Do you not understand you are being used as a useful idiot?

(05-08-2024 11:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 11:25 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  You honestly believe Sloe* is the current President? Mmmmmkay

I don't doubt that he is just a puppet for some other people. But at the end of the day, he does have the title.

Quote:Right.

Or, they brought them along with them for the photo-op.

Just like the helicopter footage and frogmen in backyard puddles for arresting an elderly man and his wife in a night coat.

Do you honestly still trust these clowns?

Has Trump denied having those documents? I haven't heard him once say he didn't take them. He just said he had declassified them. I would have thought his first statement would have been outright denial of ever having them in his possession if he didn't have them.

So you expect that Trump sat and went through the pallets of material sent to ML by the ‘then’ Biden Administration? Quite a stretch there I would say.

(05-08-2024 03:26 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 11:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 11:25 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  You honestly believe Sloe* is the current President? Mmmmmkay

I don't doubt that he is just a puppet for some other people. But at the end of the day, he does have the title.

Quote:Right.

Or, they brought them along with them for the photo-op.

Just like the helicopter footage and frogmen in backyard puddles for arresting an elderly man and his wife in a night coat.

Do you honestly still trust these clowns?

Has Trump denied having those documents? I haven't heard him once say he didn't take them. He just said he had declassified them. I would have thought his first statement would have been outright denial of ever having them in his possession if he didn't have them.

They knew he took them. How else would they know HE had them? Also, GSA dropped off a large supply of them. Remember, they asked for several boxes to be sent back and Trump Co. complied. He kept what HE decided was HIS. They knew he had them and they were in talks about it. Then the Biden Admin got involved and they raided his home. The question you need to ask yourself is why didn't Archives treat Trump like they did Obama. They sent all of Obama's records to Chicago and set up a SCIF to house them UNATTENDED AND UNGUARDED. MAL has a SCIF because Trump is a former POTUS and has clearance. Seems like that would have been the simplest thing to do, but no the FEDs had to raid the place to get back letters from Obama and Kim Un. This case is dead, and there is a good chance some Feds will get indicted. Guaranteed if/when Trump becomes POTUS as it should be. This Communist garbage has to stop. It never ends well.

And this is the reason for the “he’s Hitler!” bullchit. This is the reason for the “muh democracy!” bullchit. They are openly begging for someone to kill him to save their asses from prison. When they should be headed to the gallows.

(05-09-2024 09:09 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 06:52 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-08-2024 06:40 AM)gdunn Wrote:  This classified docs case has been a fecal matter show...

Like all those photos of "classified" documents that certain folks here were excited about, come to find out where staged by the FBI...

Everyone involved needs to be relieved of their duties and this administration needs to be held accountable..

Now that there no longer is a pre-election trial to wank off over, expect instead for the players in this classified-documents nonsense to all take the cowardly tanq. approach - - disappear and let the media pretend that this was never that big a deal to begin with.

Bunch of America-hating weasels.

Somehow that doesn’t quite mesh with your earlier explanation of these lawfare bullchit.

While you may not be a card-carrying Trumplet, WMSE, you do share at least some of the lazy and dishonest traits that go with it.

Find one - - just one - - post of mine in which I have been anything but critical of the weaponizing of our justice system against Trump. You won’t be able to do it.

Unlike you, I won’t be following up with a bunch of whiny never-ending demands for an apology when you fail to do so. I already know that you don’t have any bit of that kind of integrity in you.