Tom is a complete dumb a$$ if he truly believes this country is in better shape under the addle brained goof we have now as opposed to Trump. You can’t do anything but laugh at people that stupid

(05-02-2024 09:49 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(05-02-2024 09:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-02-2024 09:17 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(05-02-2024 08:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-01-2024 02:45 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  You're delusional to think they wouldn't be better. We have the two terms to compare.

So yeah, compare the economy then.

GDP
Job gains
Stock market
Unemployment rate
Oil production

All better under Biden.

Inflation, illegal border crossings, energy prices, all higher under Biden. Imagine the raise you would have to get in order to overcome the rise in inflation. You still can't name one thing Biden has done that has been good for this country.

A G A I N, inflation is NOT the economy! And the border has been ****** up for years...but sure...I'll give you one trump thing, the border crossings were likely less. Hooray...now the rest of the things are all better or the same under Biden. Sorry.

Also, I've tied the high energy prices...at least with gas...directly to the feet of trump due to his disastrous 2 year deal with OPEC to cut production by nearly 10M barrels a day. That alone killed supply when we emerged from covid, thereby exacerbating the rise of gas prices. And you can also lay a lot of the blame for your vaunted inflation to the supply chain issues that arose from Covid, which again, started when trump was in office. Not blaming him totally for that, but it did start on his watch. Also with inflation, the whole globe had it, and most all of the large countries had it worse than us and still do. You CANNOT directly blame Biden for a global rise in inflation if you're being honest.

And you still can't name one thing Biden has done that has been good for the country. In fact there's another thread stating the best way to bring down inflation is to slow the implementation of the inflation reduction act. Biden been a disaster and deep down you know he has been. The energy prices are due to reducing reliable means of electric generation for green nonsense all the while trying to push everyone to EV"s. That alone is ridiculously stupid. The regulations the EPA are putting out there under Biden will only serve to bring gas prices higher as well as vehicle prices. Biden has done nothing to address inflation.

A G A I N, inflation is NOT the economy...why do you keep bringing it up? And also, A G A I N, the whole globe had the same and worse inflation issue. It's not all Biden's fault.

And you also seem to be hung up on this green energy talking point...I doubt you even know how little of this supposed agenda has actually became any sort of law. And the regs I'm aware of that they're pushing are for many years down the road. And if we don't set goals, of course you'll never get close to them.

And with the history of energy use across the globe the past several decades...and the estimates on where it's heading...there's a strong chance we'll NEVER be able to keep up with fossil fuels alone. We NEED alternative methods. If you think energy is expensive now wait until a few years if we try to handle the exponentially increasing global demand solely with fossil fuels!

I'm tired of hearing about this deal Trump cut with OPEC and you not giving all the facts.

OPEC was going to cut production by 20 million barrels.. Trump negotiated it to 10 million, well 9.7 million, then from July-December 2020 to 8 million, and from Jan 2021 to April 2022 to 6 million.

It's now 2024, what has Biden did? Not a thing, he threatened to punish the Saudis a year ago because they threatened to cut production. OPEC in March stated that the oil producing countries were cutting production again... But hey it's Trump's fault. Biden can't seem to negotiate, but it's Trump's fault. Biden can't seem to figure out how to run a country, but again Trump's fault... Heaven help if Trump is back in office, we may get lower prices on oil and goods, can't have that cause he's a Republican, he's going to become a dictator and throw his political enemies in jail.. but yet Trump is being drug into court, coincidentally after he announced he was running for office again.. Projection at it's finest.

Remember when oil was falling through the floor, and Trump wanted to fill the Strategic Reserve, I feel like oil was at $40/barrel and the Dems blocked it saying it was bailing out oil companies.. Then the grand idea was to do it at $80/barrel under Biden.. Great strategy..

Again.. Nothing is ever the fault of the Dems. Dems might be the "adults in charge", but they're also the idiots at the helm.

(05-02-2024 09:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-02-2024 09:17 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(05-02-2024 08:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-01-2024 02:45 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(05-01-2024 02:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You're living in a damned fantasy world if you think things would be drastically better had trump been in office the past 3+ years, or that they'll magically be better should he get re-elected.

And there's really NO measure to indicate the economy was better under trump. And no, inflation is not the lone measure of the economy. And trump didn't have a ******* thing to do with cheaper energy. And in fact, you can directly tie higher gas prices to his disastrous 2 year OPEC production cut deal.

You're delusional to think they wouldn't be better. We have the two terms to compare.

So yeah, compare the economy then.

GDP
Job gains
Stock market
Unemployment rate
Oil production

All better under Biden.

Inflation, illegal border crossings, energy prices, all higher under Biden. Imagine the raise you would have to get in order to overcome the rise in inflation. You still can't name one thing Biden has done that has been good for this country.

A G A I N, inflation is NOT the economy! And the border has been ****** up for years...but sure...I'll give you one trump thing, the border crossings were likely less. Hooray...now the rest of the things are all better or the same under Biden. Sorry.

Also, I've tied the high energy prices...at least with gas...directly to the feet of trump due to his disastrous 2 year deal with OPEC to cut production by nearly 10M barrels a day. That alone killed supply when we emerged from covid, thereby exacerbating the rise of gas prices. And you can also lay a lot of the blame for your vaunted inflation to the supply chain issues that arose from Covid, which again, started when trump was in office. Not blaming him totally for that, but it did start on his watch. Also with inflation, the whole globe had it, and most all of the large countries had it worse than us and still do. You CANNOT directly blame Biden for a global rise in inflation if you're being honest.

"A G A I N, inflation is NOT the economy"

Can you explain ?

(05-02-2024 10:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I'm tired of hearing about this deal Trump cut with OPEC and you not giving all the facts.

OPEC was going to cut production by 20 million barrels.. Trump negotiated it to 10 million, well 9.7 million, then from July-December 2020 to 8 million, and from Jan 2021 to April 2022 to 6 million.

It's now 2024, what has Biden did? Not a thing, he threatened to punish the Saudis a year ago because they threatened to cut production. OPEC in March stated that the oil producing countries were cutting production again... But hey it's Trump's fault. Biden can't seem to negotiate, but it's Trump's fault. Biden can't seem to figure out how to run a country, but again Trump's fault... Heaven help if Trump is back in office, we may get lower prices on oil and goods, can't have that cause he's a Republican, he's going to become a dictator and throw his political enemies in jail.. but yet Trump is being drug into court, coincidentally after he announced he was running for office again.. Projection at it's finest.

Remember when oil was falling through the floor, and Trump wanted to fill the Strategic Reserve, I feel like oil was at $40/barrel and the Dems blocked it saying it was bailing out oil companies.. Then the grand idea was to do it at $80/barrel under Biden.. Great strategy..

Again.. Nothing is ever the fault of the Dems. Dems might be the "adults in charge", but they're also the idiots at the helm.

their base only requires 'movement' by 'engaging' the squirrel in the cage....

it's that simple, my friend...

The economy is WORSE than the inflation numbers. But pay no attention to Tom, he's a clueless idiot.

(05-02-2024 09:17 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(05-02-2024 08:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-01-2024 02:45 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(05-01-2024 02:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-01-2024 01:58 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  It would be bad to see a better economy, cheaper energy, and a more secure border like we had his first term. I don't recall Putin invading anyone during that period of time either.

You're living in a damned fantasy world if you think things would be drastically better had trump been in office the past 3+ years, or that they'll magically be better should he get re-elected.

And there's really NO measure to indicate the economy was better under trump. And no, inflation is not the lone measure of the economy. And trump didn't have a ******* thing to do with cheaper energy. And in fact, you can directly tie higher gas prices to his disastrous 2 year OPEC production cut deal.

You're delusional to think they wouldn't be better. We have the two terms to compare.

So yeah, compare the economy then.

GDP
Job gains
Stock market
Unemployment rate
Oil production

All better under Biden.

Inflation, illegal border crossings, energy prices, all higher under Biden. Imagine the raise you would have to get in order to overcome the rise in inflation. You still can't name one thing Biden has done that has been good for this country.

Throw out Trump's two COVID years and Biden's one COVID year and then compare.

(05-02-2024 10:38 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-02-2024 09:17 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(05-02-2024 08:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-01-2024 02:45 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(05-01-2024 02:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You're living in a damned fantasy world if you think things would be drastically better had trump been in office the past 3+ years, or that they'll magically be better should he get re-elected.

And there's really NO measure to indicate the economy was better under trump. And no, inflation is not the lone measure of the economy. And trump didn't have a ******* thing to do with cheaper energy. And in fact, you can directly tie higher gas prices to his disastrous 2 year OPEC production cut deal.

You're delusional to think they wouldn't be better. We have the two terms to compare.

So yeah, compare the economy then.

GDP
Job gains
Stock market
Unemployment rate
Oil production

All better under Biden.

Inflation, illegal border crossings, energy prices, all higher under Biden. Imagine the raise you would have to get in order to overcome the rise in inflation. You still can't name one thing Biden has done that has been good for this country.

Throw out Trump's two COVID years and Biden's one COVID year and then compare.

I'm curious ... are acorns ewer main source of fuel, or do we stick with big-tailied-raTTT runs to burn cals?

it's a fair question...

(05-02-2024 10:38 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-02-2024 09:17 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(05-02-2024 08:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-01-2024 02:45 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(05-01-2024 02:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You're living in a damned fantasy world if you think things would be drastically better had trump been in office the past 3+ years, or that they'll magically be better should he get re-elected.

And there's really NO measure to indicate the economy was better under trump. And no, inflation is not the lone measure of the economy. And trump didn't have a ******* thing to do with cheaper energy. And in fact, you can directly tie higher gas prices to his disastrous 2 year OPEC production cut deal.

You're delusional to think they wouldn't be better. We have the two terms to compare.

So yeah, compare the economy then.

GDP
Job gains
Stock market
Unemployment rate
Oil production

All better under Biden.

Inflation, illegal border crossings, energy prices, all higher under Biden. Imagine the raise you would have to get in order to overcome the rise in inflation. You still can't name one thing Biden has done that has been good for this country.

Throw out Trump's two COVID years and Biden's one COVID year and then compare.

So now you DON'T want to compare terms in a vacuum? Make up your damned mind!

And again, you can't do that anyway and arrive at a comparable result because things done by trump during Covid were beyond Biden's control in many ways as well as impacting Biden. It's likely impossible to remove the effect of those and then make any sound analysis.

(05-02-2024 10:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I'm tired of hearing about this deal Trump cut with OPEC and you not giving all the facts.

OPEC was going to cut production by 20 million barrels.. Trump negotiated it to 10 million, well 9.7 million, then from July-December 2020 to 8 million, and from Jan 2021 to April 2022 to 6 million.

It's now 2024, what has Biden did? Not a thing, he threatened to punish the Saudis a year ago because they threatened to cut production. OPEC in March stated that the oil producing countries were cutting production again... But hey it's Trump's fault. Biden can't seem to negotiate, but it's Trump's fault. Biden can't seem to figure out how to run a country, but again Trump's fault... Heaven help if Trump is back in office, we may get lower prices on oil and goods, can't have that cause he's a Republican, he's going to become a dictator and throw his political enemies in jail.. but yet Trump is being drug into court, coincidentally after he announced he was running for office again.. Projection at it's finest.

Remember when oil was falling through the floor, and Trump wanted to fill the Strategic Reserve, I feel like oil was at $40/barrel and the Dems blocked it saying it was bailing out oil companies.. Then the grand idea was to do it at $80/barrel under Biden.. Great strategy..

Again.. Nothing is ever the fault of the Dems. Dems might be the "adults in charge", but they're also the idiots at the helm.

Pfft.

Quote:WASHINGTON/LONDON/DUBAI (Reuters) - As the United States pressed Saudi Arabia to end its oil price war with Russia, President donald trump gave Saudi leaders an ultimatum.

In an April 2 phone call, trump told Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman that unless the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) started cutting oil production, he would be powerless to stop lawmakers from passing legislation to withdraw U.S. troops from the kingdom, four sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.

The threat to upend a 75-year strategic alliance, which has not been previously reported, was central to the U.S. pressure campaign that led to a landmark global deal to slash oil supply as demand collapsed in the coronavirus pandemic - scoring a diplomatic victory for the White House.

trump delivered the message to the crown prince 10 days before the announcement of production cuts.

Quote:trump initially welcomed lower oil prices, saying cheap gasoline prices were akin to a tax cut for drivers.

That changed after Saudi Arabia announced in mid-March it would pump a record 12.3 million bpd – unleashing the price war with Russia. The explosion of supply came as governments worldwide issued stay-home orders - crushing fuel demand - and made clear that U.S. oil companies would be hit hard in the crude price collapse. Senators from U.S. oil states were infuriated.

Special Report: trump told Saudi: Cut oil supply or lose U.S. military support - sources

trump pushed for the deal. trump signed the deal. The end.

All because he thought $2.50/gal gas was too high. He's an idiot. He knows nothing about the O&G industry.

Posting left wing Reuters means nothing fool.

(05-02-2024 12:35 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Posting left wing Reuters means nothing fool.

Didn't he just say, yesterday, that he doesn't pay attention to the media?

(05-02-2024 12:35 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  ...left wing Reuters means nothing fool.

You're an ignorant clown if you believe that.

You're a fool if you believe anything you see on the internet.