About the only thing worse than being in this version of the AAC would be Memphis being sent back to CUSA or stuck in the MAC playing on Tuesday and Wednesday night.

This is just me looking at hypotheticals about a three league, 20 team top tier group that separates from the rest. I know it will get blasted and picked apart, but it's kinda fun to imagine what the top 5 leagues would look like. So here goes.......

SEC

Florida
UGA
UK
Mizzou
SC
uT
Vandy
Bama
Ark.
Auburn
LSU
Ole Miss
Miss St
OU
Texas
A&M
Clemson
FSU
UNC
Va Tech


BIG10
IU
Maryland
Mich
MSU
Oh. St
PSU
Rutgers
Ill
Iowa
Minn
Neb
Northw.
Purdue
Wisc
UCLA
USC
Oregon
Wash
UVA
Duke

Big12
Baylor
BYU
UCF
Cincy
Houston
Iowa St
Kansas
KSU
Ok St
TCU
TTU
WVU
Zona
ASU
Colorado
Utah
Stanford
Cal
NCst
Miami

NEW ACC
Wake
Ga Tech
BC
Pitt
Syr
Loserville
SMU
Memphis
FAU
USF
Tulane
Navy
Army
ECU
Temple
Liberty
Coastal
App st.
UAB
Marshall

New Pac
Wash St
Oreg. St
Air Force
Boise
SDSU
CSU
UNLV
Fresno
Rice
Tulsa
UNT
UTSA
Wyo
Utah St
Nevada
SJSU
utah St
UNM
NMSU
Hawaii


If the Service Academies don't join then add James Madison, ODU or S. Alabama to new ACC. Maybe add UTEP, North Dakota St. or South Dakota St. to Pac.

If Texas A&M bolts for the BIG10, as is being reported, then that shakes some things up, as well.

I left ND independent due to their TV contract, but obviously that could change things, as well.

I didn't add the MAC, Sun Belt or C-USA b/c I think they will just have to meld together into two conferences out of the leftovers. I think the MAC stays put w it's current members and cherry picks the other two.


Go ahead and pick apart.

(04-29-2024 09:52 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 07:03 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 01:21 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 12:25 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(04-28-2024 10:18 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  Why Big Ten?

Because possibly they will see the whole landscape of college sports and can be reasoned with. The SEC is never going to do what is good for the whole of the sport but they can't go it alone, they need the BIG 10.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. The SEC doesn't need the Big Ten. The Big Ten needs the SEC.
You do realized the Big Ten screwed up the conference expansion by adding those 4 west coast teams?

I do and I see your point. I just think the SEC does not want to declare their conference champion as the national champion. I think they know that possibly would not go over with the public at at large. Leaving out Ohio State alone will not fly. So they need the Big 10, weak as they are for public acceptance. The Big 10 has leverage here and needs to use it for the better good of college sports. They are the only group that can call the SEC's bluff if they have the balls to do it. The rest of college needs to appeal to any sense of fair play that they may have. You screwed this up but you now have a chance to fix things. It sure it won't fly but there is also nothing to lose by going to them. The SEC wants to destroy college sports and everyone is letting them.

I understand that, but I don't think the SEC is trying to destroy college athletics. I do think they're trying to get what's best for them by adding Oklahoma and Texas, which I don't think no one could blame them for adding those two institutions. NCAA destroyed college athletics by the NIL and transfer portal opening up pretty much at the same time, and there's no guidelines around that. Other than that, I agree with your post.

It's not just Okie and UT we're talking about. It's the structure of the new CFP which pays 91% to the 65-ish schools in the P4, and 9% to the 65-ish schools in the G5. My understanding is the SEC was strongarming that play. They also want to remove all conference champs from a seat in the CFP, so that they can take about 6 of the 12 slots.

Doing what's best for yourself, at the expense of your peers, is exactly what kills associations like D1 college sports.

(04-30-2024 09:30 AM)BERT56 Wrote:  This is just me looking at hypotheticals about a three league, 20 team top tier group that separates from the rest. I know it will get blasted and picked apart, but it's kinda fun to imagine what the top 5 leagues would look like. So here goes.......

SEC

Florida
UGA
UK
Mizzou
SC
uT
Vandy
Bama
Ark.
Auburn
LSU
Ole Miss
Miss St
OU
Texas
A&M
Clemson
FSU
UNC
Va Tech


BIG10
IU
Maryland
Mich
MSU
Oh. St
PSU
Rutgers
Ill
Iowa
Minn
Neb
Northw.
Purdue
Wisc
UCLA
USC
Oregon
Wash
UVA
Duke

Big12
Baylor
BYU
UCF
Cincy
Houston
Iowa St
Kansas
KSU
Ok St
TCU
TTU
WVU
Zona
ASU
Colorado
Utah
Stanford
Cal
NCst
Miami

NEW ACC
Wake
Ga Tech
BC
Pitt
Syr
Loserville
SMU
Memphis
FAU
USF
Tulane
Navy
Army
ECU
Temple
Liberty
Coastal
App st.
UAB
Marshall

New Pac
Wash St
Oreg. St
Air Force
Boise
SDSU
CSU
UNLV
Fresno
Rice
Tulsa
UNT
UTSA
Wyo
Utah St
Nevada
SJSU
utah St
UNM
NMSU
Hawaii


If the Service Academies don't join then add James Madison, ODU or S. Alabama to new ACC. Maybe add UTEP, North Dakota St. or South Dakota St. to Pac.

If Texas A&M bolts for the BIG10, as is being reported, then that shakes some things up, as well.

I left ND independent due to their TV contract, but obviously that could change things, as well.

I didn't add the MAC, Sun Belt or C-USA b/c I think they will just have to meld together into two conferences out of the leftovers. I think the MAC stays put w it's current members and cherry picks the other two.


Go ahead and pick apart.

I'm confused. So the top 3 leagues you list would be a separate division? And the next 2 would be another division? And you do have a few Sun and CUSA teams listed in the bottom 2 divisions.

(04-30-2024 09:50 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-30-2024 09:30 AM)BERT56 Wrote:  This is just me looking at hypotheticals about a three league, 20 team top tier group that separates from the rest. I know it will get blasted and picked apart, but it's kinda fun to imagine what the top 5 leagues would look like. So here goes.......

SEC

Florida
UGA
UK
Mizzou
SC
uT
Vandy
Bama
Ark.
Auburn
LSU
Ole Miss
Miss St
OU
Texas
A&M
Clemson
FSU
UNC
Va Tech


BIG10
IU
Maryland
Mich
MSU
Oh. St
PSU
Rutgers
Ill
Iowa
Minn
Neb
Northw.
Purdue
Wisc
UCLA
USC
Oregon
Wash
UVA
Duke

Big12
Baylor
BYU
UCF
Cincy
Houston
Iowa St
Kansas
KSU
Ok St
TCU
TTU
WVU
Zona
ASU
Colorado
Utah
Stanford
Cal
NCst
Miami

NEW ACC
Wake
Ga Tech
BC
Pitt
Syr
Loserville
SMU
Memphis
FAU
USF
Tulane
Navy
Army
ECU
Temple
Liberty
Coastal
App st.
UAB
Marshall

New Pac
Wash St
Oreg. St
Air Force
Boise
SDSU
CSU
UNLV
Fresno
Rice
Tulsa
UNT
UTSA
Wyo
Utah St
Nevada
SJSU
utah St
UNM
NMSU
Hawaii


If the Service Academies don't join then add James Madison, ODU or S. Alabama to new ACC. Maybe add UTEP, North Dakota St. or South Dakota St. to Pac.

If Texas A&M bolts for the BIG10, as is being reported, then that shakes some things up, as well.

I left ND independent due to their TV contract, but obviously that could change things, as well.

I didn't add the MAC, Sun Belt or C-USA b/c I think they will just have to meld together into two conferences out of the leftovers. I think the MAC stays put w it's current members and cherry picks the other two.


Go ahead and pick apart.

I'm confused. So the top 3 leagues you list would be a separate division? And the next 2 would be another division? And you do have a few Sun and CUSA teams listed in the bottom 2 divisions.

I didn't add the Sun Belt, MAC or C-USA as their own entities. Obviously I had to add some of their schools to back fill. Yes, I believe the top 3 will ultimately be their own group that separates. Then have a lower group made up of new ACC and PAC and remnants of MAC, SB and USA.

It's just an opinion.

Prob a $200m waste of money fixing up the Liberty Bowl if we get stuck in a lower division. There would also be some pissed off folks at Pitt, Louisville, GA Tech, Syracuse and other places in that scenario.

It’s just a shame if they cut it at 60 schools and Boise, Memphis and others miss the cut when they are much better programs than many who will make it.

(04-30-2024 10:11 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Prob a $200m waste of money fixing up the Liberty Bowl if we get stuck in a lower division. There would also be some pissed off folks at Pitt, Louisville, GA Tech, Syracuse and other places in that scenario.

It’s just a shame if they cut it at 60 schools and Boise, Memphis and others miss the cut when they are much better programs than many who will make it.

The SEC is already discussing how to cut programs that don't bring TV value. It might end up being less than 60, which will leave a lot of schools that are used to getting a big pay day high and dry. And I don't believe it to be a waste. Be the best at the level you are at.

The level we will be at, we could play at Crump or Halle. It’ll look like a Showboats crowd. Not many will pay and go watch glorified 1-AA when the D1 teams are on TV every Saturday.

(04-30-2024 09:56 AM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(04-30-2024 09:50 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-30-2024 09:30 AM)BERT56 Wrote:  This is just me looking at hypotheticals about a three league, 20 team top tier group that separates from the rest. I know it will get blasted and picked apart, but it's kinda fun to imagine what the top 5 leagues would look like. So here goes.......

SEC

Florida
UGA
UK
Mizzou
SC
uT
Vandy
Bama
Ark.
Auburn
LSU
Ole Miss
Miss St
OU
Texas
A&M
Clemson
FSU
UNC
Va Tech


BIG10
IU
Maryland
Mich
MSU
Oh. St
PSU
Rutgers
Ill
Iowa
Minn
Neb
Northw.
Purdue
Wisc
UCLA
USC
Oregon
Wash
UVA
Duke

Big12
Baylor
BYU
UCF
Cincy
Houston
Iowa St
Kansas
KSU
Ok St
TCU
TTU
WVU
Zona
ASU
Colorado
Utah
Stanford
Cal
NCst
Miami

NEW ACC
Wake
Ga Tech
BC
Pitt
Syr
Loserville
SMU
Memphis
FAU
USF
Tulane
Navy
Army
ECU
Temple
Liberty
Coastal
App st.
UAB
Marshall

New Pac
Wash St
Oreg. St
Air Force
Boise
SDSU
CSU
UNLV
Fresno
Rice
Tulsa
UNT
UTSA
Wyo
Utah St
Nevada
SJSU
utah St
UNM
NMSU
Hawaii


If the Service Academies don't join then add James Madison, ODU or S. Alabama to new ACC. Maybe add UTEP, North Dakota St. or South Dakota St. to Pac.

If Texas A&M bolts for the BIG10, as is being reported, then that shakes some things up, as well.

I left ND independent due to their TV contract, but obviously that could change things, as well.

I didn't add the MAC, Sun Belt or C-USA b/c I think they will just have to meld together into two conferences out of the leftovers. I think the MAC stays put w it's current members and cherry picks the other two.


Go ahead and pick apart.

I'm confused. So the top 3 leagues you list would be a separate division? And the next 2 would be another division? And you do have a few Sun and CUSA teams listed in the bottom 2 divisions.

I didn't add the Sun Belt, MAC or C-USA as their own entities. Obviously I had to add some of their schools to back fill. Yes, I believe the top 3 will ultimately be their own group that separates. Then have a lower group made up of new ACC and PAC and remnants of MAC, SB and USA.

It's just an opinion.

Do we need a 20 team league? Those last four or five are really watering down the league.

(04-30-2024 10:37 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  The level we will be at, we could play at Crump or Halle. It’ll look like a Showboats crowd. Not many will pay and go watch glorified 1-AA when the D1 teams are on TV every Saturday.

The future landscape will definitely be different, but I don't think it will be disastrous as many think. We will have many current "P-5" schools that will be on the outside looking in and we will get an opportunity to play those schools. Hopefully they will decide to do some sort of relegation that gives other schools an opportunity to take the step up.

(04-30-2024 10:42 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(04-30-2024 09:56 AM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(04-30-2024 09:50 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-30-2024 09:30 AM)BERT56 Wrote:  This is just me looking at hypotheticals about a three league, 20 team top tier group that separates from the rest. I know it will get blasted and picked apart, but it's kinda fun to imagine what the top 5 leagues would look like. So here goes.......

SEC

Florida
UGA
UK
Mizzou
SC
uT
Vandy
Bama
Ark.
Auburn
LSU
Ole Miss
Miss St
OU
Texas
A&M
Clemson
FSU
UNC
Va Tech


BIG10
IU
Maryland
Mich
MSU
Oh. St
PSU
Rutgers
Ill
Iowa
Minn
Neb
Northw.
Purdue
Wisc
UCLA
USC
Oregon
Wash
UVA
Duke

Big12
Baylor
BYU
UCF
Cincy
Houston
Iowa St
Kansas
KSU
Ok St
TCU
TTU
WVU
Zona
ASU
Colorado
Utah
Stanford
Cal
NCst
Miami

NEW ACC
Wake
Ga Tech
BC
Pitt
Syr
Loserville
SMU
Memphis
FAU
USF
Tulane
Navy
Army
ECU
Temple
Liberty
Coastal
App st.
UAB
Marshall

New Pac
Wash St
Oreg. St
Air Force
Boise
SDSU
CSU
UNLV
Fresno
Rice
Tulsa
UNT
UTSA
Wyo
Utah St
Nevada
SJSU
utah St
UNM
NMSU
Hawaii


If the Service Academies don't join then add James Madison, ODU or S. Alabama to new ACC. Maybe add UTEP, North Dakota St. or South Dakota St. to Pac.

If Texas A&M bolts for the BIG10, as is being reported, then that shakes some things up, as well.

I left ND independent due to their TV contract, but obviously that could change things, as well.

I didn't add the MAC, Sun Belt or C-USA b/c I think they will just have to meld together into two conferences out of the leftovers. I think the MAC stays put w it's current members and cherry picks the other two.


Go ahead and pick apart.

I'm confused. So the top 3 leagues you list would be a separate division? And the next 2 would be another division? And you do have a few Sun and CUSA teams listed in the bottom 2 divisions.

I didn't add the Sun Belt, MAC or C-USA as their own entities. Obviously I had to add some of their schools to back fill. Yes, I believe the top 3 will ultimately be their own group that separates. Then have a lower group made up of new ACC and PAC and remnants of MAC, SB and USA.

It's just an opinion.

Do we need a 20 team league? Those last four or five are really watering down the league.

Not necessarily. Was just backfilling the leftover conferences for fun.

(04-30-2024 10:44 AM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(04-30-2024 10:37 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  The level we will be at, we could play at Crump or Halle. It’ll look like a Showboats crowd. Not many will pay and go watch glorified 1-AA when the D1 teams are on TV every Saturday.

The future landscape will definitely be different, but I don't think it will be disastrous as many think. We will have many current "P-5" schools that will be on the outside looking in and we will get an opportunity to play those schools. Hopefully they will decide to do some sort of relegation that gives other schools an opportunity to take the step up.

Approximately 31% of players drafted are from G-5 schools. Players need a place to play and be seen. Keep supporting the program. I care more about the Tigers than I do any P-5 school, which is what it should be about. Supporting YOUR school.

(04-29-2024 09:52 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 07:03 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 01:21 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 12:25 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(04-28-2024 10:18 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  Why Big Ten?

Because possibly they will see the whole landscape of college sports and can be reasoned with. The SEC is never going to do what is good for the whole of the sport but they can't go it alone, they need the BIG 10.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. The SEC doesn't need the Big Ten. The Big Ten needs the SEC.
You do realized the Big Ten screwed up the conference expansion by adding those 4 west coast teams?

I do and I see your point. I just think the SEC does not want to declare their conference champion as the national champion. I think they know that possibly would not go over with the public at at large. Leaving out Ohio State alone will not fly. So they need the Big 10, weak as they are for public acceptance. The Big 10 has leverage here and needs to use it for the better good of college sports. They are the only group that can call the SEC's bluff if they have the balls to do it. The rest of college needs to appeal to any sense of fair play that they may have. You screwed this up but you now have a chance to fix things. It sure it won't fly but there is also nothing to lose by going to them. The SEC wants to destroy college sports and everyone is letting them.

I understand that, but I don't think the SEC is trying to destroy college athletics. I do think they're trying to get what's best for them by adding Oklahoma and Texas, which I don't think no one could blame them for adding those two institutions. NCAA destroyed college athletics by the NIL and transfer portal opening up pretty much at the same time, and there's no guidelines around that. Other than that, I agree with your post.

Let me rephrase that then. The SEC wants all the money and if that means most of college sports goes away other than the P2 then they are fine with that.

If you venture over to the crazy alignment board you can see dozens of these sorts of projections: the one here is well thought out and better than most.
Having said that, things are so wild now that nothing that actually happens would surprise most of us. The best part of what Bert has said is this:

"I care more about the Tigers than I do any P-5 school, which is what it should be about. Supporting YOUR school."

At the end of the day Bert's quote sums it up nicely. Frankly, in line with his thoughts - I personally could care less what happens to any other school except the Tigers. We deserve better, but, for the life of me, I just can't find any place in college athletics where "Deserve" has anything to do with things when it comes to the Memphis Tigers.

(04-30-2024 12:41 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 09:52 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 07:03 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 01:21 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 12:25 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  Because possibly they will see the whole landscape of college sports and can be reasoned with. The SEC is never going to do what is good for the whole of the sport but they can't go it alone, they need the BIG 10.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. The SEC doesn't need the Big Ten. The Big Ten needs the SEC.
You do realized the Big Ten screwed up the conference expansion by adding those 4 west coast teams?

I do and I see your point. I just think the SEC does not want to declare their conference champion as the national champion. I think they know that possibly would not go over with the public at at large. Leaving out Ohio State alone will not fly. So they need the Big 10, weak as they are for public acceptance. The Big 10 has leverage here and needs to use it for the better good of college sports. They are the only group that can call the SEC's bluff if they have the balls to do it. The rest of college needs to appeal to any sense of fair play that they may have. You screwed this up but you now have a chance to fix things. It sure it won't fly but there is also nothing to lose by going to them. The SEC wants to destroy college sports and everyone is letting them.

I understand that, but I don't think the SEC is trying to destroy college athletics. I do think they're trying to get what's best for them by adding Oklahoma and Texas, which I don't think no one could blame them for adding those two institutions. NCAA destroyed college athletics by the NIL and transfer portal opening up pretty much at the same time, and there's no guidelines around that. Other than that, I agree with your post.

Let me rephrase that then. The SEC wants all the money and if that means most of college sports goes away other than the P2 then they are fine with that.

Yes, because they have all the power and the money to do that.

(04-30-2024 02:44 PM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  If you venture over to the crazy alignment board you can see dozens of these sorts of projections: the one here is well thought out and better than most.
Having said that, things are so wild now that nothing that actually happens would surprise most of us. The best part of what Bert has said is this:

"I care more about the Tigers than I do any P-5 school, which is what it should be about. Supporting YOUR school."

At the end of the day Bert's quote sums it up nicely. Frankly, in line with his thoughts - I personally could care less what happens to any other school except the Tigers. We deserve better, but, for the life of me, I just can't find any place in college athletics where "Deserve" has anything to do with things when it comes to the Memphis Tigers.

Completely agree. +2 to you (that's all I can give...)

(04-30-2024 10:37 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  The level we will be at, we could play at Crump or Halle. It’ll look like a Showboats crowd. Not many will pay and go watch glorified 1-AA when the D1 teams are on TV every Saturday.

nah
We've proven through the worst of times that there is a core 20k-ish fans who will come see the Tigers no matter who they play.
Fuente and Norvell had built that number up to 30k-ish, but we've lost some under Ryan back down to the base 20k - which is a good baseline for G5.
What's the difference between what Bert is proposing and the home schedule we've had the past few years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10XXtoCjk5c

I was waiting for someone to show that. Good job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6Q4KA-MF9U

10:45 mark, Dan Wetzel has some good takes on smaller schools being in the playoff.