(04-21-2024 09:33 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  And thanks to the Dobbs decision, at least as best as I understand it, you and rath and Bartlett and others now have the ability to lobby your state and federal representatives and executives to enact legislation that gives force of law to your passionate beliefs. As it should be.

There will, as you know, be people lobbying otherwise. Monsters, pro-filth or whatever other name you choose to call them, they likewise have passionate views on the subject and may end up prevailing. Again, as it should be.

And thanks to the Dobbs decision, at least as best as I understand it, you and rath and Bartlett and others now have the ability to lobby your state and federal representatives and executives to enact legislation that gives force of law to your passionate beliefs. As it should be.
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From a purely neutral position, absolutely.

There will, as you know, be people lobbying otherwise. Monsters, pro-filth or whatever other name you choose to call them, they likewise have passionate views on the subject and may end up prevailing. Again, as it should be.
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From a moral position that is 100% untenable and conscientious, moral people will continue to oppose it, will continue to call it what it is, murder, and will continue to view those who support it as murderers, monsters, pro-filth, and whatever other names might be appropriate.

(04-21-2024 09:58 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  And thanks to the Dobbs decision, at least as best as I understand it, you and rath and Bartlett and others now have the ability to lobby your state and federal representatives and executives to enact legislation that gives force of law to your passionate beliefs. As it should be.
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From a purely neutral position, absolutely.

There will, as you know, be people lobbying otherwise. Monsters, pro-filth or whatever other name you choose to call them, they likewise have passionate views on the subject and may end up prevailing. Again, as it should be.
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From a moral position that is 100% untenable and conscientious, moral people will continue to oppose it, will continue to call it what it is, murder, and will continue to view those who support it as murderers, monsters, pro-filth, and whatever other names might be appropriate.

And will continue to lose elections for being out of touch with 70% of voters and will continue to see your position abandoned more and more.

You are not going to get your way without a long-term effort to educate and change the minds of the American public.

The left is smarter than the right. The left is happy to get incremental victories that lead inevitably toward their preferred position. The right insists on my way or the highway, and continues to lose the battle of public opinion--and elections.

Take a look at how the left handled gay rights. First it was just let's not make gay sex illegal. Then it was we just want to be able to marry. Now it has gone completely bonkers with trans rights and pronouns and misgendering and all that crap. We are conforming our society to the whims of the mentally ill.

You could win the abortion battle if you were willing to fight it that way. But the way you are going will guarantee losing it. If you favor live birth abortions with no restrictions, then keep on keeping on, because that's what you are going to get for you efforts. If you want something else, you need to change your strategy and tactics.