(03-27-2024 12:23 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 12:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 11:11 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "My house is worth eleventy billion and two dollars!" <-- Shall I expect a call from Letitia, or only after I annouce my candidacy for President.

This R I D I C U L O U S talking point is beneath you. Do better.

But I can claim it, or is 1A no longer in play.
I'm pretty sure after a lender takes a look they won't agree with my number. Is that a crime? Seems the situation now in NY.
And the county has an appraised value that'll be different from both. Is that a crime? Also seems the situation now in NY.

And if that's the situation now in NY, Kevin O'Leary is right.

The dude filed documents with the state of NY that were not accurate. That's not just saying something. It's an act, an illegal one.

No, everyone does not do this. And even if they did, it's still not legal!

And just to remind, this case was brought because Cohen dropped a dime on trump.

(03-27-2024 02:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 12:23 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 12:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 11:11 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "My house is worth eleventy billion and two dollars!" <-- Shall I expect a call from Letitia, or only after I annouce my candidacy for President.

This R I D I C U L O U S talking point is beneath you. Do better.

But I can claim it, or is 1A no longer in play.
I'm pretty sure after a lender takes a look they won't agree with my number. Is that a crime? Seems the situation now in NY.
And the county has an appraised value that'll be different from both. Is that a crime? Also seems the situation now in NY.

And if that's the situation now in NY, Kevin O'Leary is right.

The dude filed documents with the state of NY that were not accurate. That's not just saying something. It's an act, an illegal one.

No, everyone does not do this. And even if they did, it's still not legal!

And just to remind, this case was brought because Cohen dropped a dime on trump.

Speaking of dropping dimes, Tom, you may owe Kruciff a significant cut on your Soros pay. He's taken quite a beating for the cause in this thread.

(03-27-2024 02:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 12:23 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 12:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 11:11 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "My house is worth eleventy billion and two dollars!" <-- Shall I expect a call from Letitia, or only after I annouce my candidacy for President.

This R I D I C U L O U S talking point is beneath you. Do better.

But I can claim it, or is 1A no longer in play.
I'm pretty sure after a lender takes a look they won't agree with my number. Is that a crime? Seems the situation now in NY.
And the county has an appraised value that'll be different from both. Is that a crime? Also seems the situation now in NY.

And if that's the situation now in NY, Kevin O'Leary is right.

The dude filed documents with the state of NY that were not accurate. That's not just saying something. It's an act, an illegal one.

No, everyone does not do this. And even if they did, it's still not legal!

And just to remind, this case was brought because Cohen dropped a dime on trump.

Speaking of dropping dimes, Tom, you may owe Kruciff a significant cut on your Soros pay. He's taken quite a beating for the cause in this thread.

Tends to happen around here, when the masses think they're winning some prize.

The OP of this whole thread was really nothing, and only spoke to the facts at that time. I guess Kruciff was supposed to be omniscient that an appeals court would reduce the bond and delay the payment at the 11th hour?



Lastly, what's 0% of $0.00?

(03-27-2024 03:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 12:23 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 12:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This R I D I C U L O U S talking point is beneath you. Do better.

But I can claim it, or is 1A no longer in play.
I'm pretty sure after a lender takes a look they won't agree with my number. Is that a crime? Seems the situation now in NY.
And the county has an appraised value that'll be different from both. Is that a crime? Also seems the situation now in NY.

And if that's the situation now in NY, Kevin O'Leary is right.

The dude filed documents with the state of NY that were not accurate. That's not just saying something. It's an act, an illegal one.

No, everyone does not do this. And even if they did, it's still not legal!

And just to remind, this case was brought because Cohen dropped a dime on trump.

Speaking of dropping dimes, Tom, you may owe Kruciff a significant cut on your Soros pay. He's taken quite a beating for the cause in this thread.

Tends to happen around here, when the masses think they're winning some prize.

The OP of this whole thread was really nothing, and only spoke to the facts at that time. I guess Kruciff was supposed to be omniscient that an appeals court would reduce the bond and delay the payment at the 11th hour?



Lastly, what's 0% of $0.00?

Most people realized the fine and time to pay was excessive , arbitrary and that it would not stand up to an appeal. To cheerlead for anyone to get railroaded by the judicial system is ignorant as there aren't many who can pay to defend themselves from such an attack.

(03-27-2024 03:15 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 03:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 12:23 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  But I can claim it, or is 1A no longer in play.
I'm pretty sure after a lender takes a look they won't agree with my number. Is that a crime? Seems the situation now in NY.
And the county has an appraised value that'll be different from both. Is that a crime? Also seems the situation now in NY.

And if that's the situation now in NY, Kevin O'Leary is right.

The dude filed documents with the state of NY that were not accurate. That's not just saying something. It's an act, an illegal one.

No, everyone does not do this. And even if they did, it's still not legal!

And just to remind, this case was brought because Cohen dropped a dime on trump.

Speaking of dropping dimes, Tom, you may owe Kruciff a significant cut on your Soros pay. He's taken quite a beating for the cause in this thread.

Tends to happen around here, when the masses think they're winning some prize.

The OP of this whole thread was really nothing, and only spoke to the facts at that time. I guess Kruciff was supposed to be omniscient that an appeals court would reduce the bond and delay the payment at the 11th hour?



Lastly, what's 0% of $0.00?

Most people realized the fine and time to pay was excessive , arbitrary and that it would not stand up to an appeal. To cheerlead for anyone to get railroaded by the judicial system is ignorant as there aren't many who can pay to defend themselves from such an attack.

I guess I missed where I "cheered." Perhaps you can point that out to me?

And no, "most people" don't have a damned clue whether the fine and time to pay were excessive.

Most people aren't familiar with the relevant facts in the case, any precedent, etc.

And most importantly, no appeal has even been heard yet. The only thing that was changed was the bond amount and the extra time he was given.

If he loses the appeal, when it's heard, he will owe the entire judgement.

And FFS, can we stop this railroad nonsense? trump is a rich white guy. Spare me the feigned outrage of an unfair judicial system. You sound ridiculous.

(03-27-2024 03:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 03:15 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 03:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The dude filed documents with the state of NY that were not accurate. That's not just saying something. It's an act, an illegal one.

No, everyone does not do this. And even if they did, it's still not legal!

And just to remind, this case was brought because Cohen dropped a dime on trump.

Speaking of dropping dimes, Tom, you may owe Kruciff a significant cut on your Soros pay. He's taken quite a beating for the cause in this thread.

Tends to happen around here, when the masses think they're winning some prize.

The OP of this whole thread was really nothing, and only spoke to the facts at that time. I guess Kruciff was supposed to be omniscient that an appeals court would reduce the bond and delay the payment at the 11th hour?



Lastly, what's 0% of $0.00?

Most people realized the fine and time to pay was excessive , arbitrary and that it would not stand up to an appeal. To cheerlead for anyone to get railroaded by the judicial system is ignorant as there aren't many who can pay to defend themselves from such an attack.

I guess I missed where I "cheered." Perhaps you can point that out to me?

And no, "most people" don't have a damned clue whether the fine and time to pay were excessive.

Most people aren't familiar with the relevant facts in the case, any precedent, etc.

And most importantly, no appeal has even been heard yet. The only thing that was changed was the bond amount and the extra time he was given.

If he loses the appeal, when it's heard, he will owe the entire judgement.

And FFS, can we stop this railroad nonsense? trump is a rich white guy. Spare me the feigned outrage of an unfair judicial system. You sound ridiculous.

I guess I missed where I said you did. It was a reference to Kruciff's original post which I though was fairly obvious.

Yes Tom, people do have an opinion on that. It just isn't the same as yours.

Again you underestimate people.

Yes, and it was changed because it was found to be excessive.

Who cares if he's rich and white. Democrats are doing their best to use the judicial system to keep him out of the race. It's despicable but to be expected from democrats.

(03-27-2024 03:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 03:15 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 03:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The dude filed documents with the state of NY that were not accurate. That's not just saying something. It's an act, an illegal one.

No, everyone does not do this. And even if they did, it's still not legal!

And just to remind, this case was brought because Cohen dropped a dime on trump.

Speaking of dropping dimes, Tom, you may owe Kruciff a significant cut on your Soros pay. He's taken quite a beating for the cause in this thread.

Tends to happen around here, when the masses think they're winning some prize.

The OP of this whole thread was really nothing, and only spoke to the facts at that time. I guess Kruciff was supposed to be omniscient that an appeals court would reduce the bond and delay the payment at the 11th hour?



Lastly, what's 0% of $0.00?

Most people realized the fine and time to pay was excessive , arbitrary and that it would not stand up to an appeal. To cheerlead for anyone to get railroaded by the judicial system is ignorant as there aren't many who can pay to defend themselves from such an attack.

I guess I missed where I "cheered." Perhaps you can point that out to me?

And no, "most people" don't have a damned clue whether the fine and time to pay were excessive.

Most people aren't familiar with the relevant facts in the case, any precedent, etc.

And most importantly, no appeal has even been heard yet. The only thing that was changed was the bond amount and the extra time he was given.

If he loses the appeal, when it's heard, he will owe the entire judgement.

And FFS, can we stop this railroad nonsense? trump is a rich white guy. Spare me the feigned outrage of an unfair judicial system. You sound ridiculous.

And the fact that you look at race, gender, and financial standing when looking at justice is why your side is so F’ed up.

(03-27-2024 03:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  trump is a rich white guy.

And there is the kernel of why Trump is despised by some.

(03-27-2024 04:07 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 03:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  trump is a rich white guy.

And there is the kernel of why Trump is despised by some.

...and the irony is that he's hated by other rich white guys...and gals.

(03-27-2024 02:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The dude filed documents with the state of NY that were not accurate. That's not just saying something. It's an act, an illegal one.

It's a paperwork/process violation worthy of a few thousand dollar fine at worst. Hell, make it 100k or 1mm. It would be the highest process violation fine in the history of the nation.

What you guys keep doing is trying to compare this to something like tax fraud... where there are two issues... one being faulty paperwork and the other being a victim as a result of that filing... the taxpayer.... so you get the taxes owed and interest, PLUS you get a penalty. There is no victim here.... and you guys know it... which is why you keep using victimization language to describe what Trump did... and not process language.

Now if the loan had gone bad, you WOULD have a victim... but you'd also have the deep pockets of that victim who is a regulated lender required by law to do independent due diligence... and you can't go after Trump for what he did without going after DB for failing in their mandated fiduciary responsibility as well. Said differently, they ALSO would have had to have filed faulty paperwork.... or otherwise been guilty of the same fraud.

(03-27-2024 03:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And no, "most people" don't have a damned clue whether the fine and time to pay were excessive.

Most people aren't familiar with the relevant facts in the case, any precedent, etc.

And most importantly, no appeal has even been heard yet. The only thing that was changed was the bond amount and the extra time he was given.

If he loses the appeal, when it's heard, he will owe the entire judgement.

And FFS, can we stop this railroad nonsense? trump is a rich white guy. Spare me the feigned outrage of an unfair judicial system. You sound ridiculous.

You make a number of comments in here that I really have to challenge.

1) The fact that he's a rich white guy is immaterial. It took bail of $500+mm to put him in a bind and put his 8th amendment rights into question. For most people, the state could do that with $500+. If you can take those rights away from a rich white guy, they can take it away from anyone. This is just typical white liberal guilt talking... as if somehow rich white guys don't have the same rights as anyone else.... and ignorance... as if what they do to a rich white guy won't ever happen to a poor black one.

2) I think everyone knows that $500mm just to have your case appealed is a lot of money.... regardless of how much you have.

Even Democrats were calling him 'Broke Don'... and believe me... 'most people' know what it's like to be broke... and this is the government doing this... and you're cheering them on??

3) I think most people know there is no precedent for this... because they would have heard about it.... and the facts that people DO know don't support the fine. Nobody died. Nobody lost money. Race played no part. Nobody forced anyone to make a loan they didn't want to and EVERYONE knows you don't just get to borrow whatever you want. Those are the facts that most people know.... and if you tell them that 'the state requires you to file this paperwork accurately, even if it is not relied on in order to make the loan' they also know that $500+mm is INSANE for such a fine.

Truth be told, MOST people think the whole idea that in NY, you have to post the entire judgement against you before you can even file for an appeal is a violation of your rights.

And they ALL know that the appellate court has obviously agreed that the 'bond' was excessive.... cutting it by 2/3rds.


Seriously.,. the only people who are okay with this are the people who want Donald Trump to suffer... and they are obviously willing to do whatever it takes... legal or not... to accomplish that. THAT is what most people know... even most on the left.

(03-27-2024 07:22 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 07:00 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 04:17 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 02:05 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 01:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Cite please.

Amendment VIII (1791)
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Excessive? Relative to what? What exactly should the fine be for, over 10 years, fraudulently overvaluing his properties for loan benefits while undervaluing the very same properties for tax benefits? How much money was lost to the banks and how much money was lost in tax revenue relative to the bond?

You really need to just take the L and give it up. Every post you make shows how ignorant you are on this.

It's funny how you fold the exact same way every time your assumptions are called out, and it's funnier that you think insulting someone instead of answering simple questions makes your argument better, not worse.

And you continue doing it. It's sad really.

(03-27-2024 08:33 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 07:20 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  One minute: MSNBC agrees with Letitia and says Mar-a-lago is worth $18M.
Next minute: MSNBC says Trump will have to sell Mar-a-lago but it'll cover half of the $450+M bond.

So what's it worth? $18M or $250M.

I don't suppose you have video and/or the exact quotes of who said what and when, do you? If so, please share.

Why even make a stupid request like that? You don’t believe it? And yet you believe a bigger lie than that. What did the two democrat government loons say it was worth? And what did the ‘judge’ base his original guilty finding on? It makes no damn difference what anyone on the MSM said anyway. The finding was bullchit and you damn well know it and you applaud it. FO.

pick frumunda ze following...

jarooneys gonna jarooney

fairies love the dust

cheese and mold do not require the gravity, nor gravitas of fagoo-ism or any other 'X'-ism

as always, E) all the above always apply when it comes to commie muh TTTits and a boar....

(03-27-2024 04:53 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 07:22 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 07:00 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 04:17 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 02:05 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Amendment VIII (1791)
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Excessive? Relative to what? What exactly should the fine be for, over 10 years, fraudulently overvaluing his properties for loan benefits while undervaluing the very same properties for tax benefits? How much money was lost to the banks and how much money was lost in tax revenue relative to the bond?

You really need to just take the L and give it up. Every post you make shows how ignorant you are on this.

It's funny how you fold the exact same way every time your assumptions are called out, and it's funnier that you think insulting someone instead of answering simple questions makes your argument better, not worse.

And you continue doing it. It's sad really.

it's beyond the irony of DJT announcing red vs. blue....

it's the sociological self dickin' I've ever witnessed in muh life by the fagoos...

it's all embedded in the board and the book ...

told ya fellers there was a reason after EagleX turned me on to this forum...

it's been one helluva a 9 year run going into Nov., '24...

(03-27-2024 09:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

Its all a farce. Tax maps are online most places and tax rate is appraised value. Its all big game. Youll never explain it to thr low iq fascist types thst dont even understand deductibles





All a big joke

Well another flip to a new day on the calendar.

What do we all think? Is today the day? It wasn't yesterday, or the day before, or the day before that.

My buckle seems to be stuck.

(03-28-2024 05:42 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Well another flip to a new day on the calendar.

What do we all think? Is today the day? It wasn't yesterday, or the day before, or the day before that.

My buckle seems to be stuck.

I pulled mines tighter this morning...

(03-27-2024 09:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 09:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

Its all a farce. Tax maps are online most places and tax rate is appraised value. Its all big game. Youll never explain it to thr low iq fascist types thst dont even understand deductibles





All a big joke

The only joke is you, not knowing apparently that people will pay more than the value for something once owned by a celebrity.

Stewart did not lie about anything. Some dude paid way more than the value to say he now owns a house Jon Stewart once owned and lived in.

He broke no laws, nor lied on financial forms submitted to the state.

But yeah...I made a mistake describing my co-insurance payment 8 years ago. You guys are so pathetic, it'd be funny if it weren't so sad.