(03-27-2024 08:33 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 07:20 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  One minute: MSNBC agrees with Letitia and says Mar-a-lago is worth $18M.
Next minute: MSNBC says Trump will have to sell Mar-a-lago but it'll cover half of the $450+M bond.

So what's it worth? $18M or $250M.

I don't suppose you have video and/or the exact quotes of who said what and when, do you? If so, please share.

Why even make a stupid request like that? You don’t believe it? And yet you believe a bigger lie than that. What did the two democrat government loons say it was worth? And what did the ‘judge’ base his original guilty finding on? It makes no damn difference what anyone on the MSM said anyway. The finding was bullchit and you damn well know it and you applaud it. FO.

It's a rabbit hole.. Don't go down it.. Ignore the redwinged rabbit.

So is today the day again?

(03-27-2024 08:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 07:20 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  One minute: MSNBC agrees with Letitia and says Mar-a-lago is worth $18M.
Next minute: MSNBC says Trump will have to sell Mar-a-lago but it'll cover half of the $450+M bond.

So what's it worth? $18M or $250M.

I don't suppose you have video and/or the exact quotes of who said what and when, do you? If so, please share.

Should we also share the definitions of an insurance deductible and how numbers can go negative?

(03-27-2024 08:52 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 07:20 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  One minute: MSNBC agrees with Letitia and says Mar-a-lago is worth $18M.
Next minute: MSNBC says Trump will have to sell Mar-a-lago but it'll cover half of the $450+M bond.

So what's it worth? $18M or $250M.

I don't suppose you have video and/or the exact quotes of who said what and when, do you? If so, please share.

Should we also share the definitions of an insurance deductible and how numbers can go negative?

(03-27-2024 08:52 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 07:20 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  One minute: MSNBC agrees with Letitia and says Mar-a-lago is worth $18M.
Next minute: MSNBC says Trump will have to sell Mar-a-lago but it'll cover half of the $450+M bond.

So what's it worth? $18M or $250M.

I don't suppose you have video and/or the exact quotes of who said what and when, do you? If so, please share.

Should we also share the definitions of an insurance deductible and how numbers can go negative?

Nice bitc h slap

(03-27-2024 07:22 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 07:00 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 04:17 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 02:05 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 01:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Cite please.

Amendment VIII (1791)
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Excessive? Relative to what? What exactly should the fine be for, over 10 years, fraudulently overvaluing his properties for loan benefits while undervaluing the very same properties for tax benefits? How much money was lost to the banks and how much money was lost in tax revenue relative to the bond?

You really need to just take the L and give it up. Every post you make shows how ignorant you are on this.

It's funny how you fold the exact same way every time your assumptions are called out, and it's funnier that you think insulting someone instead of answering simple questions makes your argument better, not worse.

LOL. You have not called out anything and I have not made any assumptions. You have made absurd posts and have been rightfully ridiculed for it by many. You started this thread and ended up looking like a fool.

(03-27-2024 07:22 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 07:00 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 04:17 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 02:05 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 01:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Cite please.

Amendment VIII (1791)
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Excessive? Relative to what? What exactly should the fine be for, over 10 years, fraudulently overvaluing his properties for loan benefits while undervaluing the very same properties for tax benefits? How much money was lost to the banks and how much money was lost in tax revenue relative to the bond?

You really need to just take the L and give it up. Every post you make shows how ignorant you are on this.

It's funny how you fold the exact same way every time your assumptions are called out, and it's funnier that you think insulting someone instead of answering simple questions makes your argument better, not worse.

double post

(03-27-2024 08:52 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 07:20 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  One minute: MSNBC agrees with Letitia and says Mar-a-lago is worth $18M.
Next minute: MSNBC says Trump will have to sell Mar-a-lago but it'll cover half of the $450+M bond.

So what's it worth? $18M or $250M.

I don't suppose you have video and/or the exact quotes of who said what and when, do you? If so, please share.

Should we also share the definitions of an insurance deductible and how numbers can go negative?

(03-26-2024 04:17 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 02:05 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 01:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 01:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 12:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Says who?

The constitution

Cite please.

Amendment VIII (1791)
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Excessive? Relative to what? What exactly should the fine be for, over 10 years, fraudulently overvaluing his properties for loan benefits while undervaluing the very same properties for tax benefits? How much money was lost to the banks and how much money was lost in tax revenue relative to the bond?

You know that describes almost every home owner in America? I'm guessing by that comment you never owned or sold a home. I can show you my personal dealing in doing exactly that....

City raised our taxes on all of our rentals and we appealed and doing so listed every wart and everything that needed repaired. Even repairs that might be a few years off. While overall taxable value was still higher. We got the city to reduce the amount by 40 to 60% of their value

Five years later without doing all the fixes we complained to the city on "value" to get it lowered. We bundled 8 of the homes in a loan so we could buy three 16 unit apartment complex. The appraised value of the homes were 2x the taxable value. Which was still under the 2.5x we valued them at....

after getting the loan 4 year later we sold that bundle at 3x the taxable value we fought the city to lower.

One other thing you are not considering....

rental in itself will lower the taxable value but it adds value (income) when you take out loans. If I build a 4plex the value is going to be what the market is or its cost, If I rent all 4 for the year and go take out a loan on that 4 plex....

the value is also the income it brings in

(03-26-2024 04:58 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 04:55 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If you own higher value properties, you have higher access to collateral, yes? Which determines the interest rate that the bank offers you, right?

If I claim a prefab mobile home as my collateral, but pretend it's a McMansion in order to gain access to more money at lower interest rates, is that legal?

No one is going to loan you anything without an inspection of the home, JFC. Are you seriously this stupid?

I have asked myself the same question. And every time I think it cannot possibly post anything more ignorant than the past he proves me wrong.

Unfortunately this is the follow the script brainwashed clowns our education system has produced for decades.

This is now the majority of Americans. Dumbed down brain washed lackeys who will follow the Pied Piper like lemmings right off the cliff and into the abyss.

Critical thinking skills are not allowed in Progressive 101

Another thread, another example of the left getting destroyed.

Take your L and go to the next fictional hypothesis about the Orange Guy.

You libs are just getting owned….

(03-27-2024 08:44 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:33 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 07:20 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  One minute: MSNBC agrees with Letitia and says Mar-a-lago is worth $18M.
Next minute: MSNBC says Trump will have to sell Mar-a-lago but it'll cover half of the $450+M bond.

So what's it worth? $18M or $250M.

I don't suppose you have video and/or the exact quotes of who said what and when, do you? If so, please share.

Why even make a stupid request like that? You don’t believe it? And yet you believe a bigger lie than that. What did the two democrat government loons say it was worth? And what did the ‘judge’ base his original guilty finding on? It makes no damn difference what anyone on the MSM said anyway. The finding was bullchit and you damn well know it and you applaud it. FO.

It's a rabbit hole.. Don't go down it.. Ignore the redwinged rabbit.

My bad. The second was CNN (not MSNBC).
https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2024...of-vpx.cnn

The first? MSNBC reported "$18M" reporting only the AG's argument and not the defendent's argument. That's tacit agreement.

RWTom, what you're missing is: I watch them all. And thus I can find the biases and shortcomings because I hear all sides.

(03-27-2024 10:37 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:44 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:33 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 07:20 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  One minute: MSNBC agrees with Letitia and says Mar-a-lago is worth $18M.
Next minute: MSNBC says Trump will have to sell Mar-a-lago but it'll cover half of the $450+M bond.

So what's it worth? $18M or $250M.

I don't suppose you have video and/or the exact quotes of who said what and when, do you? If so, please share.

Why even make a stupid request like that? You don’t believe it? And yet you believe a bigger lie than that. What did the two democrat government loons say it was worth? And what did the ‘judge’ base his original guilty finding on? It makes no damn difference what anyone on the MSM said anyway. The finding was bullchit and you damn well know it and you applaud it. FO.

It's a rabbit hole.. Don't go down it.. Ignore the redwinged rabbit.

My bad. The second was CNN (not MSNBC).
https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2024...of-vpx.cnn

The first? MSNBC reported "$18M" reporting only the AG's argument and not the defendent's argument. That's tacit agreement.

Further, the CNN one is a some random RE agent making that claim, not anyone from either network.

Either way, didn't trump himself claim it was worth well over a billion?

(03-27-2024 10:37 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  RWTom, what you're missing is: I watch them all. And thus I can find the biases and shortcomings because I hear all sides.

Why? I don't watch any of them. Life is too short.

(03-27-2024 10:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Further, the CNN one is a some random RE agent making that claim, not anyone from either network.

Either way, didn't trump himself claim it was worth well over a billion?

You put it on the air you own it at some level.

He claimed $1.5B in some accounts. I'm fine with that. Claim away. What it's worth is what (a) someone will buy it for, or (b) what the bank will allow for it as collateral.

"My house is worth eleventy billion and two dollars!" <-- Shall I expect a call from Letitia, or only after I annouce my candidacy for President.

(03-27-2024 10:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Either way, didn't trump himself claim it was worth well over a billion?

Yea but that doesn't mean it's all liquid. You've conceded this point before. Assets are part of his worth, so that would include buildings, so if he needed to sell a building or 3 to cover a ridiculous amount for a bond, giving him 30 days wasn't enough time..

(03-27-2024 11:11 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "My house is worth eleventy billion and two dollars!" <-- Shall I expect a call from Letitia, or only after I annouce my candidacy for President.

This R I D I C U L O U S talking point is beneath you. Do better.

(03-27-2024 12:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 11:11 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "My house is worth eleventy billion and two dollars!" <-- Shall I expect a call from Letitia, or only after I annouce my candidacy for President.

This R I D I C U L O U S talking point is beneath you. Do better.

But I can claim it, or is 1A no longer in play.
I'm pretty sure after a lender takes a look they won't agree with my number. Is that a crime? Seems the situation now in NY.
And the county has an appraised value that'll be different from both. Is that a crime? Also seems the situation now in NY.

And if that's the situation now in NY, Kevin O'Leary is right.

It’s not the subject matter. It’s the subject. And the subject is Donald Trump.
Period.

(03-27-2024 12:23 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 12:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 11:11 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "My house is worth eleventy billion and two dollars!" <-- Shall I expect a call from Letitia, or only after I annouce my candidacy for President.

This R I D I C U L O U S talking point is beneath you. Do better.

But I can claim it, or is 1A no longer in play.
I'm pretty sure after a lender takes a look they won't agree with my number. Is that a crime? Seems the situation now in NY.
And the county has an appraised value that'll be different from both. Is that a crime? Also seems the situation now in NY.

And if that's the situation now in NY, Kevin O'Leary is right.

In Trumps case the "value" also includes the revenue the property brings in ....

so any loans are going to be based off everything not just one thing like when someone buys a home. Included in that "value" is the Trump name. Based off the past before Trump was President...

Trump brand was a huge part of the "value"

I believe the bank even said so but this judge is about like some of the idiots that think taxes is the real value