(04-15-2024 03:33 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 01:22 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 12:19 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  Yeah I mean one of the red herrings in this is the ideal that this compensation would EVER be equal across the board. Of course it isnt. A player attending Alabama or Notre Dame or USC has a lot more to bargain for than a player at EMU or CMU or WMU who has a lot more to bargain for than a player at Framingham State or Bridgewater State or Firtchburg State (all real div II schools in Massachusetts that offer football). The same goes for different sports. Yeah football players command more bargaining power than say a diver or cross country runner. Is it fair? Sure. Dr Pepper doesnt sponsor fansville for diving (i would watch the hell out of those ads though).

Responding to only last comment to condense the thread a bit…

So the MAC has a $8,000,000 a year tv deal (as far as I can tell). That is $666,666 per team. Say the players are entitled to negotiate for percentage of that. Assuming 98 players (85 football scholarships, 13 basketball scholarships, walkons get nothing), if they can negotiate 1% of that that is $68 per year per player. The share of wealth for EMU’s level of athlete is negligible- it would be $6.80 per year for someone at Framingham State.

If Michigan players wanted the same arbitrary/hypothetical 1% share of the $229,000,000 revenue that their athletic department brought in. Then it would be distributed as $23,854 per year per 98 scholarship football and basketball players. Scholarships would still be the primary form of compensation for most of these players.

I understand your points. But I just don’t think there is this vast amount of wealth that the players are being screwed out of at any level. And no amount of wealth at EMU’s level or below If Michigan and Michigan St players get their $20k a year on top of the scholarship, they should still try to get thier degree.

The big money is in payments from the booster collectives. Or if the player is an absolute star and gets genuine endorsement deals. And EMU’s fan base will never come close to competing with those.

Texas A and M is paying 75 million dollars to jimbo not to coach. SMU is throwing hundreds of millions of dollars to not get paid by the ACC just to be in the conference. There's money out there. Is it EMU money? no of course not. But its always been a bit of a false equivalence to compare us to the big dogs.

Real talk i think the next step in NIL is bowl games paying kids NOT to sit out.

Texas A&M’s athletic department revenue is higher at $279,000,000. So maybe their players get closer to $30,000 per year? Total guess work, of course. In any case, preferable to playing at EMU for sure. And probably always has been as you say.

According to a Facebook post by his dad, Josh McCarty has entered the transfer portal.

(04-15-2024 08:44 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  According to a Facebook post by his dad, Josh McCarty has entered the transfer portal.

https://x.com/thevannzee/status/1779993139186421760

Cameron Smith.

https://x.com/thevannzee/status/1779994074801406061

Check out Vannzee on Twitter. Several reserves have announced for the portal.

Yes, after spring ball it is time for players to assess their future PT, etc.

(04-16-2024 04:18 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Check out Vannzee on Twitter. Several reserves have announced for the portal.

Yes, after spring ball it is time for players to assess their future PT, etc.

It's not surprising. CC overloaded the roster for spring, knowing that it would sort itself out afterward. Bringing in more talent may suck for some of the returning players, but in the era of NIL and immediate eligibility, that's how the deal works. It's nasty dog eat dog world with winners and losers.

At least CC is (hopefully) taking advantage of the rules.

(04-16-2024 04:51 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 04:18 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Check out Vannzee on Twitter. Several reserves have announced for the portal.

Yes, after spring ball it is time for players to assess their future PT, etc.

It's not surprising. CC overloaded the roster for spring, knowing that it would sort itself out afterward. Bringing in more talent may suck for some of the returning players, but in the era of NIL and immediate eligibility, that's how the deal works. It's nasty dog eat dog world with winners and losers.

At least CC is (hopefully) taking advantage of the rules.

Yep. It appears that what describe is what is happening at EMU and around college FB.

In the olden days, days of BobW and me (just kidding), a player transferring from say MSU to EMU would have to sit a year and that was an unkind penalty.

Now the whole process is pretty painless.

https://x.com/YpsiEleven/status/1780351925117948065

Here is Alex's list including a new ADD.

https://x.com/YpsiEleven/status/1780351925117948065

Some interesting new commits too. IOL grad transfer from Harvard (culture shock!) Who might not be a world beater but started as a senior, Logan Bednar. Trey Laing, DL who transferred to Indiana laat season(emu offered last year too), looks dominant in juco but couldnt break the 2 deep in P5.

(04-17-2024 12:01 AM)Ypsitownie Wrote:  Some interesting new commits too. IOL grad transfer from Harvard (culture shock!) Who might not be a world beater but started as a senior, Logan Bednar. Trey Laing, DL who transferred to Indiana laat season(emu offered last year too), looks dominant in juco but couldnt break the 2 deep in P5.

Laing looked good at Southern of the SWAC. I like this one.

EDIT:

Was coached by our new asst coach, Teegardin, at IU.

McCoy is also in the portal. No surprise.

Cam Smith is the only real loss, I thought he was a pretty good player, and McCarty was a great special teams guy...he'll be missed. The rest I'm not too worried about, however I will say I think it is a good thing Ike and McCoy are both transferring. Nothing against them personally, but we all saw how bad the QB play was last year and neither of them were even able to beat out Smith. The new QBs that were brought were all here for spring ball, so the fact Ike and McCoy have just now entered the portal leads me to believe the new guys are cut above, and the other two probably saw that.

Gaines going.
https://twitter.com/thevannzee/status/17...xlqdQ&s=19

The transfer portal seems to hit me different now. Previous portal openings were a lot of young guys trying to upgrade, some were maybe delusional, or just had problems at the school. The spring portal has become cut day though coaches and players might never call it that. Easier to wish the departures well, but sad how mercenary it's become.

B1G guarantees 4 year scholarships. I assume MAC does not. At least in B1G, if you get cut there's a choice of just playing school.

(04-17-2024 09:16 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  Cam Smith is the only real loss, I thought he was a pretty good player, and McCarty was a great special teams guy...he'll be missed. The rest I'm not too worried about, however I will say I think it is a good thing Ike and McCoy are both transferring. Nothing against them personally, but we all saw how bad the QB play was last year and neither of them were even able to beat out Smith. The new QBs that were brought were all here for spring ball, so the fact Ike and McCoy have just now entered the portal leads me to believe the new guys are cut above, and the other two probably saw that.

I'm actually surprised it took this long. Austin was at best, a backup QB and game action proved him far better than those two. McCoy did not seem much more successful at Oestrike either.

While I still thought Preston Hutchinson was a damned good EMU QB, he went down a level and had some good times. Ike and Cam'Ron can do the same.

(04-16-2024 04:51 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 04:18 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Check out Vannzee on Twitter. Several reserves have announced for the portal.

Yes, after spring ball it is time for players to assess their future PT, etc.

It's not surprising. CC overloaded the roster for spring, knowing that it would sort itself out afterward. Bringing in more talent may suck for some of the returning players, but in the era of NIL and immediate eligibility, that's how the deal works. It's nasty dog eat dog world with winners and losers.

At least CC is (hopefully) taking advantage of the rules.

I've whined incessantly about extending a 55-year-old coach for five years for just attaining the low bar of bowl eligibility with EMU's OOC current scheduling strategy. Many coaches waved the "white flag" like Chip Kelly, Nick Saban, Jeff Hafley and others got out of the NCAA HC morass in different ways. I saw Creighton as a guy who could relax, ignore the portal like Dabo Swinney, and let the EMU program crash and burn while collecting $3M+ in wages for the next five years.

What I have seen, is a coach who is indeed working his butt off. There is no established template for success in the era of the portal and NIL, but when I see this much activity and a coach who states, "you have to rebuild your roster every six months", I am much more content. He seems to be engaged in today's environment and that makes me sanguine.

I would still like to get rid of that auto extension for bowl appearances, however. It did not work for Murphy's 20-win seasons either.

(04-17-2024 05:51 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 04:51 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 04:18 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Check out Vannzee on Twitter. Several reserves have announced for the portal.

Yes, after spring ball it is time for players to assess their future PT, etc.

It's not surprising. CC overloaded the roster for spring, knowing that it would sort itself out afterward. Bringing in more talent may suck for some of the returning players, but in the era of NIL and immediate eligibility, that's how the deal works. It's nasty dog eat dog world with winners and losers.

At least CC is (hopefully) taking advantage of the rules.

I've whined incessantly about extending a 55-year-old coach for five years for just attaining the low bar of bowl eligibility with EMU's OOC current scheduling strategy. Many coaches waved the "white flag" like Chip Kelly, Nick Saban, Jeff Hafley and others got out of the NCAA HC morass in different ways. I saw Creighton as a guy who could relax, ignore the portal like Dabo Swinney, and let the EMU program crash and burn while collecting $3M+ in wages for the next five years.

What I have seen, is a coach who is indeed working his butt off. There is no established template for success in the era of the portal and NIL, but when I see this much activity and a coach who states, "you have to rebuild your roster every six months", I am much more content. He seems to be engaged in today's environment and that makes me sanguine.

I would still like to get rid of that auto extension for bowl appearances, however. It did not work for Murphy's 20-win seasons either.

Not sure I saw C.C. in the portal, unless it was Russian disinformation. their bots just don't under the NCAA. although we don't either.

This is crazy...

https://x.com/ChrisVannini/status/1780755205543329885

(04-17-2024 04:58 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(04-17-2024 09:16 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  Cam Smith is the only real loss, I thought he was a pretty good player, and McCarty was a great special teams guy...he'll be missed. The rest I'm not too worried about, however I will say I think it is a good thing Ike and McCoy are both transferring. Nothing against them personally, but we all saw how bad the QB play was last year and neither of them were even able to beat out Smith. The new QBs that were brought were all here for spring ball, so the fact Ike and McCoy have just now entered the portal leads me to believe the new guys are cut above, and the other two probably saw that.

I'm actually surprised it took this long. Austin was at best, a backup QB and game action proved him far better than those two. McCoy did not seem much more successful at Oestrike either.

While I still thought Preston Hutchinson was a damned good EMU QB, he went down a level and had some good times. Ike and Cam'Ron can do the same.

Me too. I thought they would both be out back around the same time Austin left. Maybe they wanted to stick around and see how the measured up against the new guys, that is why I'm hoping it is a good sign for our QB room. Hopefully they saw a big gap and decided it was time to move on.

I think 2 things:

1). Scholarship players would like to complete the academic year, on scholarship to boot, including COA

2). Benefit of add. skill training, S&C, etc. also see if they project to the 2-deeps.

(04-18-2024 07:17 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I think 2 things:

1). Scholarship players would like to complete the academic year, on scholarship to boot, including COA

2). Benefit of add. skill training, S&C, etc. also see if they project to the 2-deeps.

Think of it this way too. Lets say a team gets gutted by injuries at a position group during spring practices. Oh? your top two QBs have ACL tears? let me slide in there as a presumptive starter.