(02-19-2024 03:14 PM)C2__ Wrote:  To add to that, didn't a MWC team just play for the national title? Hello?

And they almost lost in the first round. You literally just said its not representative.

So ignore their resume and just invite who you think will perform the best? Sounds a lot like the NIT to me.

(02-19-2024 03:31 PM)C2__ Wrote:  So ignore their resume and just invite who you think will perform the best? Sounds a lot like the NIT to me.

As I've already said and shown, their schedules are incredibly easy to look at and see the gaming in real time.

(02-19-2024 10:07 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 01:07 AM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  They could get 5 or 6 tourney bids. That would be a record for them. This conference is clearly on the rise. I know realignment is done for football purposes first and foremost but the MWC would be foolish to let the Pac 2 dictate anything to them at this point because they have all the leverage. Because the MWC is so good in basketball now maybe OSU and WSU wont mind joining up. There's still some work to be done in football but it seems in football the MWC will rise with the Pac 12's demise. If the Pac 2 want indy for football and WCC for every other sport if they cant do the reverse merger with the MWC is that really better than joining the Mountain West at this point ?

I don't think they are actually on the rise as much as their scheduling strategy was built for the NET. The last three years they got way overseeded and way too many teams in the tournament. If SDST loses to CofC last year like they almost did, the conference would be 0-10 in the last 3 years in the NCAAs.

So they just got lucky in all the rest of their games on way to the Championship game? SDSU was great last year and they're currently sitting on a 4 seed for 2024. There are a bunch of other strong teams in the MWC, too. It has nothing to do with NET, RPI, Kenpom, whatever, they just have some good basketball teams there this year. It used to be the MVC, the A10, then the AAC, the past couple years it's the MWC. These things are cyclical, or in the case of the AAC, they lost a bunch to the Big 12. That's one of the reasons that I think that the current NCAAT format is so good, the MWC could have 6 in the Tourney this year and 1 next year. The BE could win the whole thing and put a bunch of schools in it last year, then end up with 3 or maybe 4 in it this year and UConn could choke in the first round. Even the mighty ACC could go half a decade without a #1 seed and get fewer teams in the Tourney than the MWC. That all makes for compelling water cooler conversation.

If UNLV and Wyoming had more ooc wins, and some wins in conference? They would be sitting outside looking in as number 7 and 8th schools have a shot in the big dance.

(02-19-2024 03:35 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 03:31 PM)C2__ Wrote:  So ignore their resume and just invite who you think will perform the best? Sounds a lot like the NIT to me.

As I've already said and shown, their schedules are incredibly easy to look at and see the gaming in real time.

except they aren't no matter what you say. They aren't ******* gaming anything. playing half your OOC games away or neutral isn't gaming the system.

(02-19-2024 03:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 03:35 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 03:31 PM)C2__ Wrote:  So ignore their resume and just invite who you think will perform the best? Sounds a lot like the NIT to me.

As I've already said and shown, their schedules are incredibly easy to look at and see the gaming in real time.

except they aren't no matter what you say. They aren't ******* gaming anything. playing half your OOC games away or neutral isn't gaming the system.

Sounds like I hit a nerve. Sorry this is happening to you.

In order for a conference to game NET, their NET would have to be markedly higher than the other rankings systems. If their NET aligns with KenPom and other ranking systems, then nothing was gamed. They were just that good in the regular season and multiple independent, credible rankings systems reflected their regular season performance.

(02-19-2024 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In order for a conference to game NET, their NET would have to be markedly higher than the other rankings systems. If their NET aligns with KenPom and other ranking systems, then nothing was gamed. They were just that good in the regular season and multiple independent, credible rankings systems reflected their regular season performance.

The NET literally includes efficiency metrics also known as blowing out bad teams. It would be more concerning if they didn't align since they are almost one in the same.

(02-19-2024 04:21 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 03:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 03:35 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 03:31 PM)C2__ Wrote:  So ignore their resume and just invite who you think will perform the best? Sounds a lot like the NIT to me.

As I've already said and shown, their schedules are incredibly easy to look at and see the gaming in real time.

except they aren't no matter what you say. They aren't ******* gaming anything. playing half your OOC games away or neutral isn't gaming the system.

Sounds like I hit a nerve. Sorry this is happening to you.

I know that the MWC is getting 5-6 teams in the tourney. You're the one who is gonna be bitching because of that, not me.

(02-19-2024 04:44 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In order for a conference to game NET, their NET would have to be markedly higher than the other rankings systems. If their NET aligns with KenPom and other ranking systems, then nothing was gamed. They were just that good in the regular season and multiple independent, credible rankings systems reflected their regular season performance.

The NET literally includes efficiency metrics also known as blowing out bad teams. It would be more concerning if they didn't align since they are almost one in the same.

results based metrics like the MWC as much as the NET does.

(02-19-2024 04:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:44 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In order for a conference to game NET, their NET would have to be markedly higher than the other rankings systems. If their NET aligns with KenPom and other ranking systems, then nothing was gamed. They were just that good in the regular season and multiple independent, credible rankings systems reflected their regular season performance.

The NET literally includes efficiency metrics also known as blowing out bad teams. It would be more concerning if they didn't align since they are almost one in the same.

results based metrics like the MWC as much as the NET does.

Because they are a part of the formula.... thank you rocket scientist

(02-19-2024 05:23 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:44 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In order for a conference to game NET, their NET would have to be markedly higher than the other rankings systems. If their NET aligns with KenPom and other ranking systems, then nothing was gamed. They were just that good in the regular season and multiple independent, credible rankings systems reflected their regular season performance.

The NET literally includes efficiency metrics also known as blowing out bad teams. It would be more concerning if they didn't align since they are almost one in the same.

results based metrics like the MWC as much as the NET does.

Because they are a part of the formula.... thank you rocket scientist

The efficency metrics like them. The results based ones like them. Pretty much all like them.

You just want selections to be based on prior history. **** that. Selections should be based on 2023-24 season and that alone.

(02-19-2024 05:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 05:23 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:44 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In order for a conference to game NET, their NET would have to be markedly higher than the other rankings systems. If their NET aligns with KenPom and other ranking systems, then nothing was gamed. They were just that good in the regular season and multiple independent, credible rankings systems reflected their regular season performance.

The NET literally includes efficiency metrics also known as blowing out bad teams. It would be more concerning if they didn't align since they are almost one in the same.

results based metrics like the MWC as much as the NET does.

Because they are a part of the formula.... thank you rocket scientist

The efficency metrics like them. The results based ones like them. Pretty much all like them.

You just want selections to be based on prior history. **** that. Selections should be based on 2023-24 season and that alone.

Yea thats what I said. Your reading comprehension is next level.

(02-19-2024 04:44 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In order for a conference to game NET, their NET would have to be markedly higher than the other rankings systems. If their NET aligns with KenPom and other ranking systems, then nothing was gamed. They were just that good in the regular season and multiple independent, credible rankings systems reflected their regular season performance.

The NET literally includes efficiency metrics also known as blowing out bad teams. It would be more concerning if they didn't align since they are almost one in the same.

Wait, so now they're gaming NET, kenpom, ESPN BPI and all the other power ratings systems? They must be really good at gaming systems if they can game them all equally well! Or, you know, teams and conferences rise and fall relative to one another from season to season and decade to decade, and the MWC is currently peaking.

(02-19-2024 08:06 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:44 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In order for a conference to game NET, their NET would have to be markedly higher than the other rankings systems. If their NET aligns with KenPom and other ranking systems, then nothing was gamed. They were just that good in the regular season and multiple independent, credible rankings systems reflected their regular season performance.

The NET literally includes efficiency metrics also known as blowing out bad teams. It would be more concerning if they didn't align since they are almost one in the same.

Wait, so now they're gaming NET, kenpom, ESPN BPI and all the other power ratings systems? They must be really good at gaming systems if they can game them all equally well! Or, you know, teams and conferences rise and fall relative to one another from season to season and decade to decade, and the MWC is currently peaking.

They are all dependent on each other. It isn't a conspiracy and not exactly hard to understand why its happening.

(02-19-2024 07:08 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Still don't understand why Gonzaga doesn't want to join. If Gonzaga was in the WCC and was in the top six, they'd be in the NCAAT this season no doubt. Now in the WCC they have to win or probably at worst second to St. Mary's without BYU in the conference anymore.

Gonzaga used the MWC to get a very sweet deal in the WCC. At that time, the MWC was decent but not great in BB.

(02-19-2024 08:30 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 08:06 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:44 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In order for a conference to game NET, their NET would have to be markedly higher than the other rankings systems. If their NET aligns with KenPom and other ranking systems, then nothing was gamed. They were just that good in the regular season and multiple independent, credible rankings systems reflected their regular season performance.

The NET literally includes efficiency metrics also known as blowing out bad teams. It would be more concerning if they didn't align since they are almost one in the same.

Wait, so now they're gaming NET, kenpom, ESPN BPI and all the other power ratings systems? They must be really good at gaming systems if they can game them all equally well! Or, you know, teams and conferences rise and fall relative to one another from season to season and decade to decade, and the MWC is currently peaking.

They are all dependent on each other. It isn't a conspiracy and not exactly hard to understand why its happening.

with how they've done this year, any computer system is going to have MWC teams really high. They are dependent on each other. You perform well, you're going to be ranked high. It's not rocket science.

(02-19-2024 11:07 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 10:16 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 10:07 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 01:07 AM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  They could get 5 or 6 tourney bids. That would be a record for them. This conference is clearly on the rise. I know realignment is done for football purposes first and foremost but the MWC would be foolish to let the Pac 2 dictate anything to them at this point because they have all the leverage. Because the MWC is so good in basketball now maybe OSU and WSU wont mind joining up. There's still some work to be done in football but it seems in football the MWC will rise with the Pac 12's demise. If the Pac 2 want indy for football and WCC for every other sport if they cant do the reverse merger with the MWC is that really better than joining the Mountain West at this point ?

I don't think they are actually on the rise as much as their scheduling strategy was built for the NET. The last three years they got way overseeded and way too many teams in the tournament. If SDST loses to CofC last year like they almost did, the conference would be 0-10 in the last 3 years in the NCAAs.

The NET, at least from my understanding, is less dependent on SOS than the old RPI.

And what's wrong with encouraging schools to play tough non conference schedules? Why not encourage it?

Take New Mexico for example. Didn't play a soul in the non-conference and lost to St Mary's when they were bad. Currently sitting at 24 in the NET and have a resume of what should be a poorly seeded NIT team. Currently projected in comfortably.

You can apply this exercise to most of the other projected NCAA bound schools. Utah St/Boise St are also guilty. They schedule alot of mediocre teams and blow them out while losing all games of quality. They suddenly get in conference and their inflated NET allows them to start picking up resume wins against other pretenders.

Its not their fault the NET is garbage, but it is so easy to expose them for what they are.

Boise St. played a very strong OOC schedule, at Clemson with VITech and St. Mary's and U San Fran. Not as strong as SDSUs but second in the MWC.

One of the problems UNM has is no good program wants to schedule a home and home with them because they are over 5K feet in elevation. Y'all don't understand what an advantage that is for home court. Wyoming is even worse, no one wants to go play at 7,220 ft if they don't have to. The MWC has 4 of the top ten highest altitudes in FBS.

SDSU cannot get UCLA, USC or Arizona to schedule a H&H with them. We finally got Gonzaga to do so, but we don't have travel or altitude issues for other teams to deal with.

(02-19-2024 08:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 08:30 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 08:06 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:44 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In order for a conference to game NET, their NET would have to be markedly higher than the other rankings systems. If their NET aligns with KenPom and other ranking systems, then nothing was gamed. They were just that good in the regular season and multiple independent, credible rankings systems reflected their regular season performance.

The NET literally includes efficiency metrics also known as blowing out bad teams. It would be more concerning if they didn't align since they are almost one in the same.

Wait, so now they're gaming NET, kenpom, ESPN BPI and all the other power ratings systems? They must be really good at gaming systems if they can game them all equally well! Or, you know, teams and conferences rise and fall relative to one another from season to season and decade to decade, and the MWC is currently peaking.

They are all dependent on each other. It isn't a conspiracy and not exactly hard to understand why its happening.

with how they've done this year, any computer system is going to have MWC teams really high. They are dependent on each other. You perform well, you're going to be ranked high. It's not rocket science.

Go back to sleep grandpa.