(02-12-2024 10:55 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 10:51 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I think we're going to see a precedence set with Biden's issue.. If Biden knowingly took documents he wasn't supposed to and showed it to a ghostwriter, how is that any different than Trump? If Biden won't be prosecuted, how can Jack Smith prosecute Trump?

Hard to disagree with that either.

Could you imagine the mental gymnastics that would have to occur to justify one but not the other?

(02-12-2024 01:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 12:22 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 11:34 AM)banker Wrote:  A process? Okay, answer this:

The President is in the situation room and is briefed that there is credible info that a dirty bomb has been smuggled into NYC. That info is stamped TOP SECRET when handed to him. After receiving this info he immediately leaves, talks to no one, walks straight into a press briefing being held by his press Secretary and proceeds to tell the world the info.

Is he guilty of sharing classified info with people without proper clearance?

The answer is 100% no. He made the decision in his head to declassify that info and share it with the American people. The President, and the President alone, can make these determinations without consultation.

Yep, and he can tell the people. In the background the FBI, CIA, NSA, or whomever captured the data and made it top secret needs to be made aware that it has been declassified, thus future FOIA requests will return that information. There has always been a process for that scenario. Or any declassification scenario. It also is usually reviewed by multiple agencies to make sure that the means of obtaining that information isn't revealed when given out. Otherwise you end up with spies being paraded through the streets somewhere after being killed.

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From day one on this you repeat that same stupid, yes, its very damn stupid comment that if you did this you would be in jail. Yes you would and you are not the damn president that has the right to hold, see, talk about anything he is told, or reads, or sees, if he wanted to.

someone that cant understand they, or any other Joe, Tom, or Harry, are not playing by the same rules as the president when it comes to classified information ...

after probably being told the difference 50 times by now and you still repeat that same stupid quote. Maybe you should have at least researched it a tiny little bit because honestly someone that can't figure out that when it comes to classified information the person who has clearance because he is assigned to shake his commander's dick when he pisses. Is not the same clearance or playing under the same rules as the President of this country.

It's just ******* stupid to believe that. Yes you believe it because you repeat it over and over and over

LOCK HIM UP....I would be. Yes you would be. Anyone that doesn't understand that might just be a....

If he did not declassify it while he was President, he cannot keep the documents. If the documents never went through the declassification process, they are not declassified. That is the entire point here. Also why I said it would have to go through trial to see if he can keep the documents by saying he declassified them but not following through on the process. I don't get why you can't understand that.

Somewhere there has to be an official record of him actually telling someone to declassify the documents, right? Or someone in his administration who said "yes, he told me to do it, it fell through the cracks, sorry". Nobody has said any of that from my knowledge, only him. If he had just given them back when asked none of this would be going on.

(02-12-2024 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 11:34 AM)banker Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 11:34 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 12:35 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-09-2024 10:34 PM)TripleA Wrote:  News flash. Many in Congress would also go to jail.

And this is coming from someone (me) who held a Top Secret classification for 16 years, and worked with DC and the military industrial complex for most of that time. At the SEC NAV level.

As a rule, IMO and experience, the vast majority of gov docs are way over-classified, for reasons having nothing to do with reality, but much to do with CYA and political agendas.

While you most likely never had this to happen let me ask you a question. If you wanted to see a piece of paper someone had to OK? If you took that piece of paper out of the room you were breaking the law? Or if you held it up in front of a TV camera without it being approved you would go to prison? I'm going to guess the question I'm asking is 99.99999% sure you never experienced. So just answer off what you know....

If the President wanted to view those papers he could without asking permission?
If the President took the papers out of the room no matter how high of classification they were he could?
If the President read them then decided to go in front of a TV and tell the world what was on that paper he could without going to prison or breaking any law?

From what I've read I believe the President could do any or all of those legally have the power to do so. Might not be the best thing to do but he has that power?

That right there is why there is a difference between you, me or MIB getting charged and any President of this country not.

As you pointed out there are millions of papers a President might see that are "top secret" but not hurt this country at all if they were shown. Just a guess on my part but I bet every President and VP or politician that deals with these meaningless "top secret" crap every day and 100s of pages. At one time or another spoke of something on them in a public setting......

"The federal government classifies more than 50 million documents a year"

People have gone to jail by mishandling classified data if that is what you are asking TripleA. I'm not sure why you think they don't. I also had officers go through my folders as I left to make sure I wasn't taking anything that wasn't allowed outside of the SCIF.

I understand your point about Trump being President and being able to remove the classification on the information, but he has a process that has to be followed when he does that. There is nothing that backs up his assertion that he declassified the documents he took with him. However, if he can prove he did, then someone else in his administration should come forward and say that they accidentally didn't submit the declassification to the agency that owned the data. Nobody has done that either. Ultimately, he should have just given the paperwork back instead of holding out.

Will he go to jail? No. Just like the other politicians never do. They all have different rules than the average guy out there. They take the same oath, are told of the same penalties, and then never follow any of it. It is a load of crap and shouldn't happen. The penalties, btw, are typically up to a year in prison and up to a $100,000 fine. Petraes got the fine, but got zero prison time (2 years probation).

Hence, yes, I think he should be charged and found guilty. I think Biden should be charged and found guilty. I think Hillary should be charged for the email server and found guilty.

A process? Okay, answer this:

The President is in the situation room and is briefed that there is credible info that a dirty bomb has been smuggled into NYC. That info is stamped TOP SECRET when handed to him. After receiving this info he immediately leaves, talks to no one, walks straight into a press briefing being held by his press Secretary and proceeds to tell the world the info.

Is he guilty of sharing classified info with people without proper clearance?

The answer is 100% no. He made the decision in his head to declassify that info and share it with the American people. The President, and the President alone, can make these determinations without consultation.

Absolutely correct. The entire classification process is owned by the executive branch. The president is the head of that branch. He is not subjected to classification rules and procedures. The president makes the rules and procedures that all others must follow.

This is also why the president does not need security clearance when he becomes president. Because he is not subject to the rules everyone else must follow.

Exactly. As I have tried to explain before, ALL the powers held by the executive branch spring from ONE person---the president himself. The president is effectively the personification of the ENTIRE executive branch.

The idea that some bureaucrat within the executive branch must be officially informed and agree to sign off on any decision by the president to declassify a document is silly. Any power such a bureaucrat has is simply a management and productivity device temporarily delegating that power to the bureaucrat so that the president can be more productive. It doesnt mean that the bureaucrat now outranks the president with respect to any decision regarding the powers related to declassification---nor does it preclude the president from instantly exercising the executive branch authority to declassify a document when he deems it necessary.

(02-12-2024 01:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly. As I have tried to explain before, all the powers held by the executive branch spring from ONE person---the president himself. The president is effectively the personification of the executive branch.

The idea that some bureaucrat within the executive branch must be officially informed and agree to sign off on any decision by the president to declassify a document is silly. Any power such a bureaucrat has is simply a management and productivity device temporarily delegating that power to the bureaucrat so that the president can be more productive. It doesnt mean that the bureaucrat now outranks the president with respect to any decision regarding the powers delegated to the bureaucrat related to declassification.

If that's the case, then it is reckless to allow someone to just give out a classified document without validating that we aren't putting a source at risk. That would be monumentally dumb and that law should change on that.

The reality here is that top government officials have routinely been ignoring the laws on handling classified information.

Everyone is going home with a hand slap, but I expect a tightening of procedures will be suggested by the judge.

(02-12-2024 01:30 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 01:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly. As I have tried to explain before, all the powers held by the executive branch spring from ONE person---the president himself. The president is effectively the personification of the executive branch.

The idea that some bureaucrat within the executive branch must be officially informed and agree to sign off on any decision by the president to declassify a document is silly. Any power such a bureaucrat has is simply a management and productivity device temporarily delegating that power to the bureaucrat so that the president can be more productive. It doesnt mean that the bureaucrat now outranks the president with respect to any decision regarding the powers delegated to the bureaucrat related to declassification.

If that's the case, then it is reckless to allow someone to just give out a classified document without validating that we aren't putting a source at risk. That would be monumentally dumb and that law should change on that.

You need to get past the bullshite that all or most classified docs are spy crap or anything like that. You must watch too much TV or movies. But if the President wanted to there is nothing stopping him from going in front of the press and talking about ANY classified docs he wanted to and that includes if they are putting a source at risk. He still would not be put in jail the "crime" would fall under....

IMPEACHMENT.

BTW getting back to your comment to me....

every piece of paper he had was taking while he was President. Which would fall under the rights of any President. Your "I would be in jail" comment was that the President viewed and had this info out of a "top secret room" and mishandled them.

You seemed to still dont get that your rights on this and the Presidents are not the same. From day one on this (you repeated it 10 to 50 times)that Trump should be in jail because he did not have the right to view or take those papers outside of a "top secret room". That was and still is your "put him in jail" point of view

(02-12-2024 01:30 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 01:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly. As I have tried to explain before, all the powers held by the executive branch spring from ONE person---the president himself. The president is effectively the personification of the executive branch.

The idea that some bureaucrat within the executive branch must be officially informed and agree to sign off on any decision by the president to declassify a document is silly. Any power such a bureaucrat has is simply a management and productivity device temporarily delegating that power to the bureaucrat so that the president can be more productive. It doesnt mean that the bureaucrat now outranks the president with respect to any decision regarding the powers delegated to the bureaucrat related to declassification.

If that's the case, then it is reckless to allow someone to just give out a classified document without validating that we aren't putting a source at risk. That would be monumentally dumb and that law should change on that.

It cant be changed by law because its an entity from the executive branch. They own it and designate it, not congress. All intel sources are created by the executive branch.

(02-12-2024 02:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  every piece of paper he had was taking while he was President. Which would fall under the rights of any President. Your "I would be in jail" comment was that the President viewed and had this info out of a "top secret room" and mishandled them.

You seemed to still dont get that your rights on this and the Presidents are not the same. From day one on this (you repeated it 10 to 50 times)that Trump should be in jail because he did not have the right to view or take those papers outside of a "top secret room". That was and still is your "put him in jail" point of view

We differ on the circumstances, clearly. Hence why I said the courts will decide if he could have the documents or not.

This is all my opinion, but if he didn't declassify the documents, he can't take them. They have to remain secured. The White House is a SCIF, so he can have them there. The moment he removed the documents from the White House to a place that is not a SCIF, without declassifying them, is breaking the law. The fact that he wasn't President, there is no record of him declassifying the documents, and him remaining in possession of them, is against the law. And again, had he just given the damn documents back none of this would matter.

Was the raid politically motivated? Clearly. That doesn't make him in the right. I'll wait for the trial to complete, if they find him not guilty I'll take what you say as correct. There are people in both parties who disagree amongst themselves, let alone between the parties.

(02-12-2024 02:38 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 02:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  every piece of paper he had was taking while he was President. Which would fall under the rights of any President. Your "I would be in jail" comment was that the President viewed and had this info out of a "top secret room" and mishandled them.

You seemed to still dont get that your rights on this and the Presidents are not the same. From day one on this (you repeated it 10 to 50 times)that Trump should be in jail because he did not have the right to view or take those papers outside of a "top secret room". That was and still is your "put him in jail" point of view

We differ on the circumstances, clearly. Hence why I said the courts will decide if he could have the documents or not.

This is all my opinion, but if he didn't declassify the documents, he can't take them. They have to remain secured. The White House is a SCIF, so he can have them there. The moment he removed the documents from the White House to a place that is not a SCIF, without declassifying them, is breaking the law. The fact that he wasn't President, there is no record of him declassifying the documents, and him remaining in possession of them, is against the law. And again, had he just given the damn documents back none of this would matter.

Was the raid politically motivated? Clearly. That doesn't make him in the right. I'll wait for the trial to complete, if they find him not guilty I'll take what you say as correct. There are people in both parties who disagree amongst themselves, let alone between the parties.

Its clearly politically motivated. Worse yet---its yet another example of over reaching and creative stretching by the Biden DOJ (same with the Obama DOJ) to attempt to find some legal grounds upon which to punish or eliminate a political opponent. Its even more clear when we see the obviously preferential treatment the Biden DOJ gave Biden, who would theoretically be far guiltier of the same offense----given that Biden had classified documents outside of a SCIF for decades (and who was NOT a president for most of the period during which he illegally held the classified documents).

Frankly, Im guessing these private meetings are essentially settlement talks that will result in the dismissal of charges. After that Hur report, in which its clear Biden was worse than Trump (during the testimony---he makes almost the exact same arguments as Trump---"those are MY documents")---makes continuing to prosecute this trumped up classified documents case an absolute loser on the political front for independents and moderate voters---not to mention it completely undermines any perception of public integrity and ethics this politically weaponized DOJ might shockingly still retain.

(02-12-2024 10:10 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 10:07 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 10:02 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 09:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Its amazing how many people have not looked into this issue, and who still believe Trump illegally removed classified materials.

1. The president CREATES the classifications and procedures. He is not subject to it. He can declassify anything. He is not subject to any rules, or has to adhere to any process. He IS the process. EVERYONE ELSE, INCLUDING JOE BIDEN THE SENATOR OR VP IS SUBJECT TO THE RULES. Former presidents are as well.

You say that as fact. Lots of people disagree. That is going to be settled in this trial (and subsequent appeals).

Edit: Specifically, the procedures around it, and how you alert the government entity that owns the data so they can make it available to non-clearance personel.

What, by a jury? A jury of people not clever enough to get out of Jury duty are going to decide if a President has the authority to declassify whatever he wants? We're doomed.

It's never been a debate on whether he has the authority to do it. It is a debate on the process in which he has to do in order for it to be fully declassified.

You just don’t seem to understand that the president IS THE ONLY AUTHORITY. No past president. No past precedent. No congress. NO JURY.


Typical democrat election interference. Scared chitless they can’t beat Trump fairly so get him off the ballot anyway they can. Just like mush head Joe alluded to. “We will make sure he can’t be president again”.

(02-12-2024 12:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 11:34 AM)banker Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 11:34 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 12:35 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  While you most likely never had this to happen let me ask you a question. If you wanted to see a piece of paper someone had to OK? If you took that piece of paper out of the room you were breaking the law? Or if you held it up in front of a TV camera without it being approved you would go to prison? I'm going to guess the question I'm asking is 99.99999% sure you never experienced. So just answer off what you know....

If the President wanted to view those papers he could without asking permission?
If the President took the papers out of the room no matter how high of classification they were he could?
If the President read them then decided to go in front of a TV and tell the world what was on that paper he could without going to prison or breaking any law?

From what I've read I believe the President could do any or all of those legally have the power to do so. Might not be the best thing to do but he has that power?

That right there is why there is a difference between you, me or MIB getting charged and any President of this country not.

As you pointed out there are millions of papers a President might see that are "top secret" but not hurt this country at all if they were shown. Just a guess on my part but I bet every President and VP or politician that deals with these meaningless "top secret" crap every day and 100s of pages. At one time or another spoke of something on them in a public setting......

"The federal government classifies more than 50 million documents a year"

People have gone to jail by mishandling classified data if that is what you are asking TripleA. I'm not sure why you think they don't. I also had officers go through my folders as I left to make sure I wasn't taking anything that wasn't allowed outside of the SCIF.

I understand your point about Trump being President and being able to remove the classification on the information, but he has a process that has to be followed when he does that. There is nothing that backs up his assertion that he declassified the documents he took with him. However, if he can prove he did, then someone else in his administration should come forward and say that they accidentally didn't submit the declassification to the agency that owned the data. Nobody has done that either. Ultimately, he should have just given the paperwork back instead of holding out.

Will he go to jail? No. Just like the other politicians never do. They all have different rules than the average guy out there. They take the same oath, are told of the same penalties, and then never follow any of it. It is a load of crap and shouldn't happen. The penalties, btw, are typically up to a year in prison and up to a $100,000 fine. Petraes got the fine, but got zero prison time (2 years probation).

Hence, yes, I think he should be charged and found guilty. I think Biden should be charged and found guilty. I think Hillary should be charged for the email server and found guilty.

A process? Okay, answer this:

The President is in the situation room and is briefed that there is credible info that a dirty bomb has been smuggled into NYC. That info is stamped TOP SECRET when handed to him. After receiving this info he immediately leaves, talks to no one, walks straight into a press briefing being held by his press Secretary and proceeds to tell the world the info.

Is he guilty of sharing classified info with people without proper clearance?

The answer is 100% no. He made the decision in his head to declassify that info and share it with the American people. The President, and the President alone, can make these determinations without consultation.

Absolutely correct. The entire classification process is owned by the executive branch. The president is the head of that branch. He is not subjected to classification rules and procedures. The president makes the rules and procedures that all others must follow.

This is also why the president does not need security clearance when he becomes president. Because he is not subject to the rules everyone else must follow.

Yeah. Its like these nuts who think the executive branch doesn't have to do what the president says. There seems to be a generational thing where younger people think they get as much say as the top executive.

The control over the president are 1) the courts; 2) Congress; and 3) elections.

Within the separation of powers drawn out in the constitution. They are all equal branches with specific powers.

(02-12-2024 01:27 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 01:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 12:22 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 11:34 AM)banker Wrote:  A process? Okay, answer this:

The President is in the situation room and is briefed that there is credible info that a dirty bomb has been smuggled into NYC. That info is stamped TOP SECRET when handed to him. After receiving this info he immediately leaves, talks to no one, walks straight into a press briefing being held by his press Secretary and proceeds to tell the world the info.

Is he guilty of sharing classified info with people without proper clearance?

The answer is 100% no. He made the decision in his head to declassify that info and share it with the American people. The President, and the President alone, can make these determinations without consultation.

Yep, and he can tell the people. In the background the FBI, CIA, NSA, or whomever captured the data and made it top secret needs to be made aware that it has been declassified, thus future FOIA requests will return that information. There has always been a process for that scenario. Or any declassification scenario. It also is usually reviewed by multiple agencies to make sure that the means of obtaining that information isn't revealed when given out. Otherwise you end up with spies being paraded through the streets somewhere after being killed.

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From day one on this you repeat that same stupid, yes, its very damn stupid comment that if you did this you would be in jail. Yes you would and you are not the damn president that has the right to hold, see, talk about anything he is told, or reads, or sees, if he wanted to.

someone that cant understand they, or any other Joe, Tom, or Harry, are not playing by the same rules as the president when it comes to classified information ...

after probably being told the difference 50 times by now and you still repeat that same stupid quote. Maybe you should have at least researched it a tiny little bit because honestly someone that can't figure out that when it comes to classified information the person who has clearance because he is assigned to shake his commander's dick when he pisses. Is not the same clearance or playing under the same rules as the President of this country.

It's just ******* stupid to believe that. Yes you believe it because you repeat it over and over and over

LOCK HIM UP....I would be. Yes you would be. Anyone that doesn't understand that might just be a....

If he did not declassify it while he was President, he cannot keep the documents. If the documents never went through the declassification process, they are not declassified. That is the entire point here. Also why I said it would have to go through trial to see if he can keep the documents by saying he declassified them but not following through on the process. I don't get why you can't understand that.

Somewhere there has to be an official record of him actually telling someone to declassify the documents, right? Or someone in his administration who said "yes, he told me to do it, it fell through the cracks, sorry". Nobody has said any of that from my knowledge, only him. If he had just given them back when asked none of this would be going on.

Then why did they pull the stunt of revoking his security clearance? Seems you got a huge hole in your argument.

(02-12-2024 01:30 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 01:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly. As I have tried to explain before, all the powers held by the executive branch spring from ONE person---the president himself. The president is effectively the personification of the executive branch.

The idea that some bureaucrat within the executive branch must be officially informed and agree to sign off on any decision by the president to declassify a document is silly. Any power such a bureaucrat has is simply a management and productivity device temporarily delegating that power to the bureaucrat so that the president can be more productive. It doesnt mean that the bureaucrat now outranks the president with respect to any decision regarding the powers delegated to the bureaucrat related to declassification.

If that's the case, then it is reckless to allow someone to just give out a classified document without validating that we aren't putting a source at risk. That would be monumentally dumb and that law should change on that.

You change the constitution then to take away that power of the executive branch. Go ahead and go for it. You liberals seem to think you are smarter than every one else, yet you give us Joe Biden.

(02-12-2024 01:36 PM)Claw Wrote:  The reality here is that top government officials have routinely been ignoring the laws on handling classified information.

Everyone is going home with a hand slap, but I expect a tightening of procedures will be suggested by the judge.

The problem is that what they don’t want you to know they ‘classify’. It in a lot of cases is just things that would embarrass or show criminal behavior. The spying that was done on Trump was classified. I wonder why?

(02-12-2024 03:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 01:27 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 01:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 12:22 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 11:34 AM)banker Wrote:  A process? Okay, answer this:

The President is in the situation room and is briefed that there is credible info that a dirty bomb has been smuggled into NYC. That info is stamped TOP SECRET when handed to him. After receiving this info he immediately leaves, talks to no one, walks straight into a press briefing being held by his press Secretary and proceeds to tell the world the info.

Is he guilty of sharing classified info with people without proper clearance?

The answer is 100% no. He made the decision in his head to declassify that info and share it with the American people. The President, and the President alone, can make these determinations without consultation.

Yep, and he can tell the people. In the background the FBI, CIA, NSA, or whomever captured the data and made it top secret needs to be made aware that it has been declassified, thus future FOIA requests will return that information. There has always been a process for that scenario. Or any declassification scenario. It also is usually reviewed by multiple agencies to make sure that the means of obtaining that information isn't revealed when given out. Otherwise you end up with spies being paraded through the streets somewhere after being killed.

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From day one on this you repeat that same stupid, yes, its very damn stupid comment that if you did this you would be in jail. Yes you would and you are not the damn president that has the right to hold, see, talk about anything he is told, or reads, or sees, if he wanted to.

someone that cant understand they, or any other Joe, Tom, or Harry, are not playing by the same rules as the president when it comes to classified information ...

after probably being told the difference 50 times by now and you still repeat that same stupid quote. Maybe you should have at least researched it a tiny little bit because honestly someone that can't figure out that when it comes to classified information the person who has clearance because he is assigned to shake his commander's dick when he pisses. Is not the same clearance or playing under the same rules as the President of this country.

It's just ******* stupid to believe that. Yes you believe it because you repeat it over and over and over

LOCK HIM UP....I would be. Yes you would be. Anyone that doesn't understand that might just be a....

If he did not declassify it while he was President, he cannot keep the documents. If the documents never went through the declassification process, they are not declassified. That is the entire point here. Also why I said it would have to go through trial to see if he can keep the documents by saying he declassified them but not following through on the process. I don't get why you can't understand that.

Somewhere there has to be an official record of him actually telling someone to declassify the documents, right? Or someone in his administration who said "yes, he told me to do it, it fell through the cracks, sorry". Nobody has said any of that from my knowledge, only him. If he had just given them back when asked none of this would be going on.

Then why did they pull the stunt of revoking his security clearance? Seems you got a huge hole in your argument.

Thats been my whole point that the DOJ agrees that Trump had a right to the documents. The only way they could perform a raid was to revoke his security clearance. They reson they didnt raid prior is because they knew he DID have a right to those documents.

(02-12-2024 03:52 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 01:36 PM)Claw Wrote:  The reality here is that top government officials have routinely been ignoring the laws on handling classified information.

Everyone is going home with a hand slap, but I expect a tightening of procedures will be suggested by the judge.

The problem is that what they don’t want you to know they ‘classify’. It in a lot of cases is just things that would embarrass or show criminal behavior. The spying that was done on Trump was classified. I wonder why?

Sources and methods.

(02-12-2024 03:52 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 01:36 PM)Claw Wrote:  The reality here is that top government officials have routinely been ignoring the laws on handling classified information.

Everyone is going home with a hand slap, but I expect a tightening of procedures will be suggested by the judge.

The problem is that what they don’t want you to know they ‘classify’. It in a lot of cases is just things that would embarrass or show criminal behavior. The spying that was done on Trump was classified. I wonder why?

That s right

(02-12-2024 03:46 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  You change the constitution then to take away that power of the executive branch. Go ahead and go for it. You liberals seem to think you are smarter than every one else, yet you give us Joe Biden.

I'm liberal, yet you vote for a party that is half the reason for our outrageous national debt. Anybody who votes Republican or Democrat can't claim the "conservative" viewpoint since they are both directly responsible for the national debt. If everyone who truly is "conservative" voted for a truly conservative party then this government would be completely different.

Quote:Former White House attorney Ty Cobb said Monday that he thinks U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon has “no intention” of letting the classified documents case in Florida take place before the presidential election in 2024.

In an interview on CNN’s “Erin Burnett OutFront,” the former Trump White House legal official criticized the judge overseeing one of the two cases brought by special counsel Jack Smith, whose team indicted the former president on 37 criminal counts related to his alleged willful retention of national defense information, obstruction of justice and conspiracy.

“I think that this judge has no intention of allowing this case to be tried before the election, and, in any event, I think her ruling last week was clear error, as Jack Smith has highlighted in the motion to reconsider,” Cobb said.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-bat...-election/

CY YOUNG

The TDS is amusing