(02-09-2024 11:37 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Jerry Lucas was one of the greatest rebounders in history and he claimed that he never boxed out. I doubt Dennis Rodman did either. It’s about reacting in a split second to where the ball is going more so than boxing out imo

A huge part of rebounding is awareness and anticipation. It is like baseball. If you watch fielders, their first step is often before the batter makes contact, they are able to see the pitch and anticipate where the ball is going. Rebounding is the same. Your best rebounders see the shot trajectory and do not just stand where they are but rather move to where the ball is most likely going to miss at.

(02-09-2024 02:44 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2024 11:37 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Jerry Lucas was one of the greatest rebounders in history and he claimed that he never boxed out. I doubt Dennis Rodman did either. It’s about reacting in a split second to where the ball is going more so than boxing out imo

A huge part of rebounding is awareness and anticipation. It is like baseball. If you watch fielders, their first step is often before the batter makes contact, they are able to see the pitch and anticipate where the ball is going. Rebounding is the same. Your best rebounders see the shot trajectory and do not just stand where they are but rather move to where the ball is most likely going to miss at.

I remember watching a documentary (The Last Dance?) that talked about Dennis Rodman in warm-ups. He would watch his teammates shoot and learn where to position himself. When Rodman was asked about it, he talked about the ball's trajectory and angles and using that info to position himself for rebounds. Like anything else it's a skill that requires effort and practice. It'd be nice to have even 1 guy that sees the value in rebounding.

(02-09-2024 03:55 PM)Gusrob2.0 Wrote:  

(02-09-2024 02:44 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2024 11:37 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Jerry Lucas was one of the greatest rebounders in history and he claimed that he never boxed out. I doubt Dennis Rodman did either. It’s about reacting in a split second to where the ball is going more so than boxing out imo

A huge part of rebounding is awareness and anticipation. It is like baseball. If you watch fielders, their first step is often before the batter makes contact, they are able to see the pitch and anticipate where the ball is going. Rebounding is the same. Your best rebounders see the shot trajectory and do not just stand where they are but rather move to where the ball is most likely going to miss at.

I remember watching a documentary (The Last Dance?) that talked about Dennis Rodman in warm-ups. He would watch his teammates shoot and learn where to position himself. When Rodman was asked about it, he talked about the ball's trajectory and angles and using that info to position himself for rebounds. Like anything else it's a skill that requires effort and practice. It'd be nice to have even 1 guy that sees the value in rebounding.

They apparently don’t teach that in AAU and all these “academies” now

(02-06-2024 04:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 04:34 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  Pierre reminds of that Tiger player we had maybe 7-10 years ago (a white guy) who could hit threes in practice but could never ever get it going in a game...can't remember his name, maybe played under Pastner?

Drew Barham was one of many.
JP is just not ready for the speed of D1 yet. I think he has another 1-2 years of eligibility though.

Looks like JP is ready for minutes.

(02-11-2024 07:42 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 04:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 04:34 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  Pierre reminds of that Tiger player we had maybe 7-10 years ago (a white guy) who could hit threes in practice but could never ever get it going in a game...can't remember his name, maybe played under Pastner?

Drew Barham was one of many.
JP is just not ready for the speed of D1 yet. I think he has another 1-2 years of eligibility though.

Looks like JP is ready for minutes.

See post #37 two days ago.

(02-06-2024 04:34 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  Pierre reminds of that Tiger player we had maybe 7-10 years ago (a white guy) who could hit threes in practice but could never ever get it going in a game...can't remember his name, maybe played under Pastner?

Pierre is longer, quicker and way more athletic than Drew Barham. His length on the press was a big key in the first half imo. I’m glad to see both him and Brown getting more minutes.

(02-09-2024 11:37 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Jerry Lucas was one of the greatest rebounders in history and he claimed that he never boxed out. I doubt Dennis Rodman did either. It’s about reacting in a split second to where the ball is going more so than boxing out imo

Those are examples of extreme individual effort and ability. The basics for the vast majority of players - and especially someone with limited pure athletic ability - is to create rebounding space by boxing out your opponent. Jayden is not a good rebounder - no doubt. But he is putting in effort and his positioning should help the team rebounding.

(02-12-2024 09:59 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 04:34 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  Pierre reminds of that Tiger player we had maybe 7-10 years ago (a white guy) who could hit threes in practice but could never ever get it going in a game...can't remember his name, maybe played under Pastner?

Pierre is longer, quicker and way more athletic than Drew Barham. His length on the press was a big key in the first half imo. I’m glad to see both him and Brown getting more minutes.

If Young, Jayden, and Ashton didn't play the rest of the year, I would imagine we would have a pretty good shot at being undefeated. On the fence about Malco too since he is checked out now. The subs are just far superior to those 3 (sometimes 4).

(02-12-2024 10:30 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-09-2024 11:37 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Jerry Lucas was one of the greatest rebounders in history and he claimed that he never boxed out. I doubt Dennis Rodman did either. It’s about reacting in a split second to where the ball is going more so than boxing out imo

Those are examples of extreme individual effort and ability. The basics for the vast majority of players - and especially someone with limited pure athletic ability - is to create rebounding space by boxing out your opponent. Jayden is not a good rebounder - no doubt. But he is putting in effort and his positioning should help the team rebounding.

Still waiting on that to happen. It’s year 5. Plus he is the worst at help defense. No quickness

(02-12-2024 11:10 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 10:30 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-09-2024 11:37 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Jerry Lucas was one of the greatest rebounders in history and he claimed that he never boxed out. I doubt Dennis Rodman did either. It’s about reacting in a split second to where the ball is going more so than boxing out imo

Those are examples of extreme individual effort and ability. The basics for the vast majority of players - and especially someone with limited pure athletic ability - is to create rebounding space by boxing out your opponent. Jayden is not a good rebounder - no doubt. But he is putting in effort and his positioning should help the team rebounding.

Still waiting on that to happen. It’s year 5. Plus he is the worst at help defense. No quickness

I really do not understand what people are seeing when they believe Jayden should get PT. He just should not and would not at any other major D1 school. It is just that simple. He consistently gets beat on defense, he does not rebound, he cannot create offensively and is not a good enough shooter to be a space creator.

I appreciate the fact he has been here for 5 years and contributed in various ways but he absolutely should not be playing and is a major liability on the defensive end.

(02-10-2024 02:23 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(02-09-2024 03:55 PM)Gusrob2.0 Wrote:  

(02-09-2024 02:44 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2024 11:37 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Jerry Lucas was one of the greatest rebounders in history and he claimed that he never boxed out. I doubt Dennis Rodman did either. It’s about reacting in a split second to where the ball is going more so than boxing out imo

A huge part of rebounding is awareness and anticipation. It is like baseball. If you watch fielders, their first step is often before the batter makes contact, they are able to see the pitch and anticipate where the ball is going. Rebounding is the same. Your best rebounders see the shot trajectory and do not just stand where they are but rather move to where the ball is most likely going to miss at.

I remember watching a documentary (The Last Dance?) that talked about Dennis Rodman in warm-ups. He would watch his teammates shoot and learn where to position himself. When Rodman was asked about it, he talked about the ball's trajectory and angles and using that info to position himself for rebounds. Like anything else it's a skill that requires effort and practice. It'd be nice to have even 1 guy that sees the value in rebounding.

They apparently don’t teach that in AAU and all these “academies” now

Fair. I sometimes get on an old-man-tirade about how boxing out, sealing a defender, and screening are lost arts. To be fair, Penny does one h#!! of a job teaching screen defense.

(02-06-2024 12:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Per 40 minutes, best to worst:
Points - Ashton, Jayden, JP, Carl
Rebounds - Carl, JP, Jayden, Ashton
Assists - Carl, JP, Ashton, Jayden
TO's - Carl, Jayden, Ashton, JP
Fouls - JP, Jayden, Carl, Ashton
FG% - Jayden, Ashton, Carl, JP
3% - Ashton, Jayden, JP, Carl
FT% - Carl, Jayden, Ashton, JP

Pretty close between Carl and Jayden. Advanced metrics tend to favor Carl. Ashton is too 1-dimensional, but is not a bad option if you need someone and you're playing catch-up. JP still needs work.

You are right about JP needing work, and I hope he starts getting more of it in game time.

(02-12-2024 08:32 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 12:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Per 40 minutes, best to worst:
Points - Ashton, Jayden, JP, Carl
Rebounds - Carl, JP, Jayden, Ashton
Assists - Carl, JP, Ashton, Jayden
TO's - Carl, Jayden, Ashton, JP
Fouls - JP, Jayden, Carl, Ashton
FG% - Jayden, Ashton, Carl, JP
3% - Ashton, Jayden, JP, Carl
FT% - Carl, Jayden, Ashton, JP

Pretty close between Carl and Jayden. Advanced metrics tend to favor Carl. Ashton is too 1-dimensional, but is not a bad option if you need someone and you're playing catch-up. JP still needs work.

You are right about JP needing work, and I hope he starts getting more of it in game time.

Her finally getting “work” the last two games and he’s done well. Same thing with Brown not counting his free throws. What the hell was that Sunday? He damn near missed the entire backboard that one time.