(01-26-2024 09:48 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/the...f946&ei=15

"The bank’s analysts, led by Bank of America Institute Senior Economist David Michael Tinsley, found that after a post-pandemic EV craze that saw sales triple from 2021 to 2023, demand cooled off in the second half of last year. There are three main causes, they wrote: “a lack of affordability, limited choice, and ‘range anxiety,’” or the worry that people will be stranded, as infamously happened in Chicago this January, when consumers couldn’t charge their Teslas in negative 9-degree weather."

Take away the subsidies and EV's would sell even less.

Battery tech like solid state could fix all three of those concerns. the Toyota is “no matter how much progress” which seems to say even with great advances in battery tech EVs won’t makes up more than 30% of the global market.

Seems shortsighted since we don’t know what battery tech will do, which is what makes me think his opinion is posturing and and anti EV because he doesn’t have a competitor.

Seems shortsighted that we replace perfectly good technology with crap. But hey, that's the Democrat way.

(01-26-2024 09:58 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 09:48 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/the...f946&ei=15

"The bank’s analysts, led by Bank of America Institute Senior Economist David Michael Tinsley, found that after a post-pandemic EV craze that saw sales triple from 2021 to 2023, demand cooled off in the second half of last year. There are three main causes, they wrote: “a lack of affordability, limited choice, and ‘range anxiety,’” or the worry that people will be stranded, as infamously happened in Chicago this January, when consumers couldn’t charge their Teslas in negative 9-degree weather."

Take away the subsidies and EV's would sell even less.

Battery tech like solid state could fix all three of those concerns. the Toyota is “no matter how much progress” which seems to say even with great advances in battery tech EVs won’t makes up more than 30% of the global market.

Seems shortsighted since we don’t know what battery tech will do, which is what makes me think his opinion is posturing and and anti EV because he doesn’t have a competitor.

I don't think that at all.

I think it means globally there is not a reliable enough electricity infrastructure to make EV's preferable to gas. It's easier to take a tanker of gas somewhere than to upgrade the electric infrastructures to rural areas around the globe.

People in cities don't consider rural areas

It ain't just Toyota.
Ford's chopping Lightning production in half.
Ford lost roughly $36,000 on each EV in the third quarter.

https://mishtalk.com/economics/ford-lose...ic-trucks/

(01-26-2024 10:14 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  People in cities don't consider rural areas

We're just the energy provider and pantry. Nothing major.

(01-26-2024 10:14 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  People in cities don't consider rural areas

and w/o the output from many throughout the rural expanse (which is critically dependent on cheap and reliable transport), the entire system fails...

I've seen some dumbarse shite in my 58.5 yrs ... this 'won' wins the lifetime achievement Darwin award ... Ike is rolling in his grave...

@[sic]basterds

(01-26-2024 09:58 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 09:48 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/the...f946&ei=15

"The bank’s analysts, led by Bank of America Institute Senior Economist David Michael Tinsley, found that after a post-pandemic EV craze that saw sales triple from 2021 to 2023, demand cooled off in the second half of last year. There are three main causes, they wrote: “a lack of affordability, limited choice, and ‘range anxiety,’” or the worry that people will be stranded, as infamously happened in Chicago this January, when consumers couldn’t charge their Teslas in negative 9-degree weather."

Take away the subsidies and EV's would sell even less.

Battery tech like solid state could fix all three of those concerns. the Toyota is “no matter how much progress” which seems to say even with great advances in battery tech EVs won’t makes up more than 30% of the global market.

Seems shortsighted since we don’t know what battery tech will do, which is what makes me think his opinion is posturing and and anti EV because he doesn’t have a competitor.

I don't disagree with that but right now we aren't close. The infrastructure is not there, the battery technology it not there,and we still rely on China for far too many components for EV's.

(01-26-2024 01:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

COAL!

(01-26-2024 01:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

we'll get you back on the road as soon as I refuel muh vehicle and generator....

(01-26-2024 01:10 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

COAL! ... it's what creates electricy

[sic] fify for dipshites

(01-26-2024 09:57 AM)Claw Wrote:  While EV's are declining, hybrids are seeing continued success.

I see nothing wrong with hybrids, I could go for one. There's times when you have to compromise and this would be a great time. You get both worlds for long trips relying on ICE and electrical when shopping or doing what needs to be done in town. Plus, you don't have to worry about the electrical part not charging in frigid weather. COMPROMISE!

BUT, that's too simple...for simpletons. It's either or nothing.

(01-26-2024 01:24 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:10 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

COAL! ... it's what creates electricy

fify for dipshites

Less than 20% brainiac's.

(01-26-2024 01:10 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

COAL!

You should be used to COAL, that's what you get every Christmas in your sock.

(01-26-2024 01:28 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:10 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

COAL!

You should be used to COAL, that's what you get every Christmas in your sock.

Maybe you believe in fairy tales too much. “Santa”, aka my wife, always gets me something great for Christmas

(01-26-2024 01:28 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:24 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:10 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

COAL! ... it's what creates electricy

fify for dipshites

Less than 20% brainiac's.

One of the reasons electric bills are soaring. China on the other hand get's over 60% of their electric using coal and that's where a good portion of the battery material for EV's come from.

(01-26-2024 01:26 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 09:57 AM)Claw Wrote:  While EV's are declining, hybrids are seeing continued success.

I see nothing wrong with hybrids, I could go for one. There's times when you have to compromise and this would be a great time. You get both worlds for long trips relying on ICE and electrical when shopping or doing what needs to be done in town. Plus, you don't have to worry about the electrical part not charging in frigid weather. COMPROMISE!

BUT, that's too simple...for simpletons. It's either or nothing.

Ford says its hybrid pickups are in high demand. Apparently construction and farm workers love having electricity wherever they are working. That makes a lot of sense.

(01-26-2024 01:49 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:28 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:24 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:10 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 01:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

COAL! ... it's what creates electricy

fify for dipshites

Less than 20% brainiac's.

One of the reasons electric bills are soaring. China on the other hand get's over 60% of their electric using coal and that's where a good portion of the battery material for EV's come from.

shhhhhhh ... you're spoilin' it ...

#wealthSiphon