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(01-06-2024 04:23 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  7 B1G schools below 50k. Wow. Purdue is the only smaller B1G brand in the top 10, though Oregon would certainly have been ahead of them if they had a bigger stadium. PK needs to expand their capacity by a bit, I'd say at least to 70k, to accommodate more games with tOSU, Michigan, PSU, etc in the future.

FSU and Clemson stick out like a sore thumb in the ACC. VT averaging nearly 50% more than UVA? Hmmm...

They stick out no more than Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State do in The Big Ten. Clemson averaged 17K more than The ACC's #4 Va Tech while Michigan averaged more 24K than The Big Ten's #4 Nebraska.

You see what you want to see.
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(01-08-2024 12:11 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(01-06-2024 09:44 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(01-06-2024 05:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  24.SMU 22.6 K

SMU had that much and they were winning? UTSA is the sleeping giant here.

SMU counts attendance as tickets sold. Many games have not approached this limit, which would be 70 percent capacity. If you've seen SMU games on TV, it's not close to 70 percent full.

"A small crowd of fans gathered in Gerald J. Ford Stadium to see SMU secure a 69-10 victory in the Mustangs’ homecoming game. Saturday morning’s showers kept many Mustangs from participating in Homecoming traditions such as the parade and the boulevard, but the rain cleared in time for the 11 a.m. football game."

Announced attendance was 20,800, though this photo from the school newspaper suggests otherwise.

[Image: iogoW3jJnZQJr58aOCrpT4J3A7uFZoTKKeulhxSZ-1200x675.jpg]

https://smudailycampus.com/1062969/sport...ver-tulsa/

I'm not one to defend SMU, but the picture shows the opposite stands, which are always lower than the press box side. Also, judging by what I know from attending a SMU game or two, this is about 45 minutes before the game. It looks like this 45 minutes before the TCU game.

Even if you assume every seat is taken on the press box side (which it is not), then we are talking what 11-12k people?
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(01-07-2024 08:45 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Does anyone believe these numbers? Feel sure over 90% are not correct.

Pictures should have to be posted with attendance numbers.

Jacksonville State's numbers are not correct but probably not overstated anymore than most.

I don't believe UNC's numbers, but I believe App State's numbers. There is a picture of the ECU game with what certainly looks like 10K fans standing on the hillside at the open end of the stadium. I would post it here, except I don't know how to do that. When I try to copy/paste nothing happens. Does anyone know how much ASU charges for SRO?
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I was actually quite pleased with Cincinnati’s attendance this year given our dismal performance. The success of the past six years and entry into the BXII did enough to keep the fans coming each week.
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I'd like to see the numbers for the new Big XII members compared to their AAC numbers. Is there a bump?
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I'm not a big attendanceball guy, but if I was - I would strongly agree with those pointing out that context is pretty important here. One big home game (for a G5) really goes a long way.

Also - just like counting USC and UT in their future conferences, KSU played this season as an FCS team in an FCS conference.
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(01-06-2024 07:04 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-06-2024 04:23 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  7 B1G schools below 50k. Wow. Purdue is the only smaller B1G brand in the top 10, though Oregon would certainly have been ahead of them if they had a bigger stadium. PK needs to expand their capacity by a bit, I'd say at least to 70k, to accommodate more games with tOSU, Michigan, PSU, etc in the future.

FSU and Clemson stick out like a sore thumb in the ACC. VT averaging nearly 50% more than UVA? Hmmm...

(01-06-2024 05:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Here where the best of the rest would be at.

1.Fresno State 39.9 K
2.California 38.7 K
3.Cincinnati 38.2 K
4..USF 37.5 K
5..Oregon State 37.0 K
6.Syracuse 36.9 K
7.Boston College 36.4 K
8.Georgia Tech 36.3 K
9.ECU 35.9 K
10.Houston 36.0 K
11..Boise State 35.9 K better than last year even if it is their down year.
12.App. State 34.7 K
13.Stanford 33.2 K
14.Memphis 32.5 K
15.Navy 30.8 K
16.Wake Forest 30.5 K
17.Jackson State 30.1 K
18.Army 29.0 K
19.UTSA 28.9 K
20.Duke 28.1 K
21.Washington State 28.0 K
22.Vanderbilt 25.5 K
23. Northwestern 25.3 K
24.SMU 22.6 K

SMU had that much and they were winning? UTSA is the sleeping giant here.

I copied both of these posts because it illustrates how you have to look deeper into the numbers - what is the stadium capacity relative to the attendance figures?

For example, Fresno State, Cincinnati, Oregon State, Boise State, Houston, et al., have capacities +/- 40,000. So, while on the surface the attendance numbers appear smaller the percentage of attendance based on stadium capacity is quite good. Compare that with some of the P5 programs that bryanw1995 highlighted that are less than full.

Not a surprise the SEC has the highest average attendance - especially with the additions of Texas and Oklahoma. Five programs have 100K each - Tenn, Texas, LSU, Bama, TXAM. Throw out the bottom two and every school has 60K+ - that is football hungry cult status folks.

IMO, a small stadium only matters if the school is selling out, which means the stadium size is capping attendance artificially low. So we'd have to look at games for those teams you mention and see if they had any sellouts. If they didn't, then the numbers are a fair comparison with high-capacity stadium schools, though we'd have to check them for sellouts too.

That said, a high capacity % filled is good for game-day atmosphere. Better to have 20,000 fans in a 30,000 seat stadium than in a 75,000 seat stadium, as Tulane often had when they played in the Superdome. But it doesn't mean Yulman is keeping their attendance artificially low.
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(01-06-2024 04:14 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  NDSU's attendance is 14.1k?

The mighty have fallen.

Not sure how they arrived at this number but NDSU's average attendance for 2023 was 15,120. This is lower than usual but was heavily influenced by playing at SDSU, UND and UNI (our three biggest draws historically).

If we replaced one of those games with a home game the average number would have been much closer to 16-17k.
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(01-08-2024 08:15 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-07-2024 08:45 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Does anyone believe these numbers? Feel sure over 90% are not correct.

Pictures should have to be posted with attendance numbers.

Jacksonville State's numbers are not correct but probably not overstated anymore than most.

I don't believe UNC's numbers, but I believe App State's numbers. There is a picture of the ECU game with what certainly looks like 10K fans standing on the hillside at the open end of the stadium. I would post it here, except I don't know how to do that. When I try to copy/paste nothing happens. Does anyone know how much ASU charges for SRO?

Pretty sure App would not have an issue with pictures being required. Their numbers compared to people at the games will be a lot closer than most on the list.
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I've been to a lot of Appalachian games in my life. This year was bananas. Last year was crazy full but this year took the cake. I don't know how to increase for next year unless they keep the temp bleachers under the NEZ to help the crowd out on the hill.

Apps stadium has been approved for renovations. The east stands will match the press/lux boxes of the West side and will have some seats on a connection between east side and NEZ. We're gonna have to get creative around Miller Hill. Students love it and the energy and pics always make highlight reels. But we gotta do something.
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(01-08-2024 10:12 AM)NDSUguy Wrote:  
(01-06-2024 04:14 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  NDSU's attendance is 14.1k?

The mighty have fallen.

Not sure how they arrived at this number but NDSU's average attendance for 2023 was 15,120. This is lower than usual but was heavily influenced by playing at SDSU, UND and UNI (our three biggest draws historically).

If we replaced one of those games with a home game the average number would have been much closer to 16-17k.
They included the playoff game with Drake which only had 7798. Because they didn't have a seed, they only had one week to sell tickets against a non-scholarship team. Note that if they had included the game in Minneapolis the average would be back up over 15K (it drew 22K).

But in 2022, they had a high seed and were guaranteed a home game as long as they won. They only drew around 12,000 for all three playoff games.

It will be interesting to see whether there is a similar effect next year when the first round of the CFP is at campus stadiums. To consistently fill a stadium you have to have most of it be season tickets. Otherwise you risk lesser crowds when playing a weak opponent, or bad weather, or a down season.

If you want to see the top teams you need to buy a season ticket. Game day tickets will go fast. If you have paid for the tickets you are likely to use them, or at least give them to a friend, neighbor, son-in-law, co-worker, etc. if you can't make a certain game.

And if you only have six or seven home games, you can arrange to travel to the game. Bismarck, Sioux Falls, and Minneapolis are within drive-able range from Fargo without need for a hotel. Add in Omaha and Des Moines if you can add a hotel, RV, or the house of a friend or relative.

You of course have to do a bit of planning. You have to leave in time to be at the game, earlier if you want to allow time for meals, tailgating, or meetings with friends. But you have months if not weeks to do that.

You have bought the tickets so you will go to the game against Murray State or Western Illinois, two games that will have weak game day sales.

But when the playoffs arrive you have to buy the tickets in a short time frame, and arrange to drive to Fargo. Sure you can do it online, and they make it easy for season ticket holders. But not everyone has round tuits, or even the few $100 it will cost for tickets and travel. It was a stretch to pay $1000 for the season tickets, and you could put them on a credit card and pay for them over several months.

In 2022, the playoffs and NDSU drew about 80% of the regular season attendance. Perhaps for the playoffs, tickets bought and tickets used are the same. If you buy a ticket for a game a few days later, you will use it unless you are in the hospital in between - and even then someone will be given the ticket. But if you bought the season ticket months ago, you might not make it to every game, especially if they are against Western Illinois or Murray State, and not SDSU, UND, or USD.

NDSU bumped up the ticket price when the team was doing well and they were selling 2000 standing room tickets. Maybe the fire marshal told them to hold back some. COVID could really have hurt them. There are vulnerable people who simply don't want to be around crowds, particularly inside.

Some people may have got out of the habit of going to games. Once attendance is not at capacity, you may decide to selectively choose individual games. NDSU makes it easy to transfer electronic tickets. The two parties don't even have to be in the same city. This might make it easier to share a season ticket.
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(01-07-2024 09:10 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  
(01-06-2024 09:44 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(01-06-2024 05:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  24.SMU 22.6 K

SMU had that much and they were winning? UTSA is the sleeping giant here.

SMU counts attendance as tickets sold. Many games have not approached this limit, which would be 70 percent capacity. If you've seen SMU games on TV, it's not close to 70 percent full.

"A small crowd of fans gathered in Gerald J. Ford Stadium to see SMU secure a 69-10 victory in the Mustangs’ homecoming game. Saturday morning’s showers kept many Mustangs from participating in Homecoming traditions such as the parade and the boulevard, but the rain cleared in time for the 11 a.m. football game."

Announced attendance was 20,800, though this photo from the school newspaper suggests otherwise.

[Image: iogoW3jJnZQJr58aOCrpT4J3A7uFZoTKKeulhxSZ-1200x675.jpg]

https://smudailycampus.com/1062969/sport...ver-tulsa/

I don’t get SMU. Flash all of this money all the time, but don’t show up.

It’s crazy what gets a team moved up in status in college football.

Take for instance ranking the top 5 attendances for schools in California…

1. USC *deserves B1G.
2. UCLA *deserves B1G?
3. Fresno State *deserves getting paid less than?…
…4. Cal *deserves outrageous conference travel!
…5. Stanford *deserves outrageous conference travel!
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(01-13-2024 04:44 AM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  
(01-07-2024 09:10 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  
(01-06-2024 09:44 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(01-06-2024 05:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  24.SMU 22.6 K

SMU had that much and they were winning? UTSA is the sleeping giant here.

SMU counts attendance as tickets sold. Many games have not approached this limit, which would be 70 percent capacity. If you've seen SMU games on TV, it's not close to 70 percent full.

"A small crowd of fans gathered in Gerald J. Ford Stadium to see SMU secure a 69-10 victory in the Mustangs’ homecoming game. Saturday morning’s showers kept many Mustangs from participating in Homecoming traditions such as the parade and the boulevard, but the rain cleared in time for the 11 a.m. football game."

Announced attendance was 20,800, though this photo from the school newspaper suggests otherwise.

[Image: iogoW3jJnZQJr58aOCrpT4J3A7uFZoTKKeulhxSZ-1200x675.jpg]

https://smudailycampus.com/1062969/sport...ver-tulsa/

I don’t get SMU. Flash all of this money all the time, but don’t show up.

It’s crazy what gets a team moved up in status in college football.

Take for instance ranking the top 5 attendances for schools in California…

1. USC *deserves B1G.
2. UCLA *deserves B1G?
3. Fresno State *deserves getting paid less than?…
…4. Cal *deserves outrageous conference travel!
…5. Stanford *deserves outrageous conference travel!

First thing to learn about realignment: as Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, “Deserves got nothing to do with it.”


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(01-08-2024 09:35 AM)Claw Wrote:  I'd like to see the numbers for the new Big XII members compared to their AAC numbers. Is there a bump?

Houston 2023-36,020, 2022-25,394
Cincy 2023-38,193, 2022 38,117
UCF 2023-44,015, 2022 41,542
BYU 2023-61,944, 2022-59,674
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(01-13-2024 03:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-08-2024 09:35 AM)Claw Wrote:  I'd like to see the numbers for the new Big XII members compared to their AAC numbers. Is there a bump?

Houston 2023-36,020, 2022-25,394
Cincy 2023-38,193, 2022 38,117
UCF 2023-44,015, 2022 41,542
BYU 2023-61,944, 2022-59,674

Cincinnati, UCF and BYU were at or near 100% for 2023.
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(01-13-2024 03:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-08-2024 09:35 AM)Claw Wrote:  I'd like to see the numbers for the new Big XII members compared to their AAC numbers. Is there a bump?

Houston 2023-36,020, 2022-25,394
Cincy 2023-38,193, 2022 38,117
UCF 2023-44,015, 2022 41,542
BYU 2023-61,944, 2022-59,674

I wish Nippert had room for another 10K. There’s just not space for a big expansion.

I wonder if UCF and BYU will add seats. BYU should do even better with the 4 PAC-12 schools coming in next year.
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interesting note for the 12 schools returning to the Big 12 for the 2024 season: 10 of the 12 were at 95% capacity or better for the season. Only Houston (newcomer with historical attendance struggles) and WVU (one of the league’s biggest stadiums and a geographic outlier) were less and they were 90.0% and 85.3% respectively.
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(01-13-2024 05:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(01-13-2024 03:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-08-2024 09:35 AM)Claw Wrote:  I'd like to see the numbers for the new Big XII members compared to their AAC numbers. Is there a bump?

Houston 2023-36,020, 2022-25,394
Cincy 2023-38,193, 2022 38,117
UCF 2023-44,015, 2022 41,542
BYU 2023-61,944, 2022-59,674

I wish Nippert had room for another 10K. There’s just not space for a big expansion.

I wonder if UCF and BYU will add seats. BYU should do even better with the 4 PAC-12 schools coming in next year.

I think there is room for an additional 5-7K seats. They are just being strategic about it. The AD had made it clear that he wants more premium seating and alternatively more seating for the students. UC has grown significantly over the past decade, now with an enrollment of 50K students. The master plan is to grow enrollment to 60K by 2030. All these students and alumni will result in more butts in the seat.
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(01-13-2024 06:03 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-13-2024 05:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(01-13-2024 03:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-08-2024 09:35 AM)Claw Wrote:  I'd like to see the numbers for the new Big XII members compared to their AAC numbers. Is there a bump?

Houston 2023-36,020, 2022-25,394
Cincy 2023-38,193, 2022 38,117
UCF 2023-44,015, 2022 41,542
BYU 2023-61,944, 2022-59,674

I wish Nippert had room for another 10K. There’s just not space for a big expansion.

I wonder if UCF and BYU will add seats. BYU should do even better with the 4 PAC-12 schools coming in next year.

I think there is room for an additional 5-7K seats. They are just being strategic about it. The AD had made it clear that he wants more premium seating and alternatively more seating for the students. UC has grown significantly over the past decade, now with an enrollment of 50K students. The master plan is to grow enrollment to 60K by 2030. All these students and alumni will result in more butts in the seat.

It’s beyond irritating that the Bengals organization, who already fleeced the taxpayers to get their stadium, turn around and fleece the taxpayers again whenever UC wants to move a high profile game to the larger venue. It would be awesome if more UC fans could pack the stands when exciting opponents come to town.
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