Have the Bowl Games before the season and in August.

The playoff is after the season.

(12-29-2023 04:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 04:03 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 02:32 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think we need to have more post season games that matter. So here’s a thought, add another round to the 12-team playoff:

Round 1 (CCG weekend): top 6 schools not involved in a CCG.

Round 2 (2 weeks later): winners of round 1 advance to play against the G5 Rep + the losers for the 4 major leagues’ CCGs.

Quarterfinals (NYE/NYD):traditional bowl sites

Semis

Finals

And in doing so we further reduce the significance of the regular season. The Game is already going to take a hit next year when it is possible Michigan and OSU could play three times between the end of November and early January. No thanks.

East vs West divisions weren’t going to be sustainable in an 18-member league. The game isn’t going to lose any of its luster—there’s just now the potential that it’s the first act in a two act drama.

NFL rivals play twice annually and occasionally meet a third time in the playoffs. This has done nothing to reduce the passion of those games.

I get you but, respectfully, college football isn’t the NFL. It is a gloriously different thing where every week, starting in September, matters. Now the regular is basically a warm up. Sad.

(12-29-2023 07:39 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 01:30 AM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  Simplest Solution IMO:

-Eliminate all Bowl games

-Have FBS have a 24 team Playoff like FCS, ensures all Conferences Champions and Conferences have a shot.

This ^.

A 24 team playoff is the ticket.

8 top teams get a first round bye.

8 wildcard teams from the Non G5
Matched up against
5 G5 conference champs and 3 G5 wildcards.

Winners move on to play at home of first round bye. Games are spread out to replace the bowl games.

The M2 dont deserve the same amount of autos as the P2.

(12-29-2023 08:11 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 07:39 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 01:30 AM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  Simplest Solution IMO:

-Eliminate all Bowl games

-Have FBS have a 24 team Playoff like FCS, ensures all Conferences Champions and Conferences have a shot.

This ^.

A 24 team playoff is the ticket.

8 top teams get a first round bye.

8 wildcard teams from the Non G5
Matched up against
5 G5 conference champs and 3 G5 wildcards.

Winners move on to play at home of first round bye. Games are spread out to replace the bowl games.

The M2 dont deserve the same amount of autos as the P2.

Since 98% of the time the top 8 will be 6 P2 and 2 M2 not sure where you get that conclusion. Top 4 conference winners get a bye and top 4 ranked wildcards are in the top 8.

The best bowl games are the ones that don't take themselves too seriously.

The Duke's Mayo and Poptart Bowls are the model going forward.

Don't be just another mediocre football game.

(12-29-2023 10:59 AM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  Keep the bowls! They serve a purpose. If you don’t like them, don’t watch them. If you want 32 team playoffs, go watch the NfL. Easy fixes:

1. Keep it in December as a reward for the season.
2. Consider moving all bowl games to proper stadiums in warm weather cities. Games played in Annapolis in a driving rain are not enticing kids to stay.
3. Pay the players participating and, if needed, reduce the amount going to the conference/teams and give it to the players.
4. Shift the transfer portal to open on May 1st. Yes, this means players cannot transfer for spring ball, but who said that was the goal of the portal? If you play a football season then you stay at that school for the entire academic year.
5. Follow the lead of Dukes and Pop Tarts and make the tie in fun.
6. Decide whether bowl conference tie ins should exist. Not sure on this but either build in a natural rivalry in these lesser games or forget it and build good match ups that may have recruiting implications, etc.
7. Make Rose, Sugar, Orange and Fiesta bowls permanent playoff quarterfinal games on New Years Day (maybe the Orange always on NYE). All other bowls played before NYE.

I think #1 & #2 will stay more or less the same with Bowl season starting a week sooner and agree on #3.

#4, I don't think that'll be the case. I have no issue with the with the portal opening in May after spring camp, but I think they'll keep it open at 2 separate times during the year. I think the winter opening should be moved to after bowl season. It won't stop bowl opt outs, but we can get past the quarterfinals or semis before opening the portal, give players some time to think about their decision after the regular season ends.

#5, YES! #6 maybe give each bowl 1 conference tie-in and leave the other one at-large as a middle ground. I also support separating the bowls into 4 tiers with the CFP A-tier, ranked teams and conference champs not in the CFP B-tier, unranked Power teams in C-tier, and unranked G5 teams in D-tier. The top G5 teams can move up to C-tier if all Power team spots are not filled. If B-tier has open spots, the next highest ranked team(s) are selected.

#7, I would choose the Cotton Bowl instead of the Fiesta, but otherwise, yes.

(12-29-2023 06:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 06:51 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 06:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 06:19 PM)j lance Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:04 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  Going forward, 1 ('reward for the season') doesn't compute without 3.

Can somebody explain to me how the bowls will work with the new 12 team playoff from what i understand the first round games will be on campus games so doesnt that remove at least 4 teams from the bowls and will the quarterfinals and semifinals be the new years six bowls if so does that mean a team could play in both the Cotton and rose bowl both can the first round losers still play in a bowl later in the month.

The only profitable way to deal with the bowls is have them bid on the final two rounds if they want their venues included. This idea of utilizing bowls for the playoffs in any other fashion is simply not going to work. Opening Round of the 12-game playoff would be 4 games at the home venue of the schools seeded 5th-8th. Those winners advance to play the top 4 seeds in bowls who bid enough to host them according to the regions represented by the to 4 seeds. The Semi Finals are bid out and have no relation to geographical regions of the top 4 seeds. Ditto for the Finals.

So you have 4 quarter final games, 2 semi final games, and the final for 7 major bowls to win by bid. Everyone benefits from the money received from the bid winners.

That way all bowls, or even just venues not associated with bowls, have a shot at the games. It's fair and simple. It's also reasonable to assume that the 4th through 8th seeds would sell out their venues for the opening round.

I thought the point of his question was whether the four first round losers would also play in one of the 42 bowls. Because if they don't, we would need to have 86, not 82, six win teams to fill all the bowl slots without going into teams with losing records. Had the 12 team CFP been in place this year, we would have fallen 7 teams short. Without looking it up, I'm not sure we would have ever had enough teams.

The original post in this series of responses suggested more. J lance specifically referred to the 12 and yes, it is possible for a school to play in two different bowls with the proposal I gave, even 3 if you count the finals as a bowl. Bidding out the bowls annually rather than rotating them would generate more revenue. That's my main point as to how to utilize the bowls in a 12-team playoff and keep the opening round on campus.

I've always thought the losers of the first round in a 12 team CFP should play in a bowl game (though I don't think they should play one of the other losers - they should each play a non-CFP team so they aren't put at risk of losing 2 post season games). But I believe the reaction to that has always been "no way would any of those four teams want to play in a bowl game". I'm not sure I agree with that, but if it were the case, then would ESPN (or whoever) drop two of the current bowls in hopes of avoiding too many 5-7 bowl teams?

(12-29-2023 08:45 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 10:59 AM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  Keep the bowls! They serve a purpose. If you don’t like them, don’t watch them. If you want 32 team playoffs, go watch the NfL. Easy fixes:

1. Keep it in December as a reward for the season.
2. Consider moving all bowl games to proper stadiums in warm weather cities. Games played in Annapolis in a driving rain are not enticing kids to stay.
3. Pay the players participating and, if needed, reduce the amount going to the conference/teams and give it to the players.
4. Shift the transfer portal to open on May 1st. Yes, this means players cannot transfer for spring ball, but who said that was the goal of the portal? If you play a football season then you stay at that school for the entire academic year.
5. Follow the lead of Dukes and Pop Tarts and make the tie in fun.
6. Decide whether bowl conference tie ins should exist. Not sure on this but either build in a natural rivalry in these lesser games or forget it and build good match ups that may have recruiting implications, etc.
7. Make Rose, Sugar, Orange and Fiesta bowls permanent playoff quarterfinal games on New Years Day (maybe the Orange always on NYE). All other bowls played before NYE.

I think #1 & #2 will stay more or less the same with Bowl season starting a week sooner and agree on #3.

#4, I don't think that'll be the case. I have no issue with the with the portal opening in May after spring camp, but I think they'll keep it open at 2 separate times during the year. I think the winter opening should be moved to after bowl season. It won't stop bowl opt outs, but we can get past the quarterfinals or semis before opening the portal, give players some time to think about their decision after the regular season ends.

#5, YES! #6 maybe give each bowl 1 conference tie-in and leave the other one at-large as a middle ground. I also support separating the bowls into 4 tiers with the CFP A-tier, ranked teams and conference champs not in the CFP B-tier, unranked Power teams in C-tier, and unranked G5 teams in D-tier. The top G5 teams can move up to C-tier if all Power team spots are not filled. If B-tier has open spots, the next highest ranked team(s) are selected.

#7, I would choose the Cotton Bowl instead of the Fiesta, but otherwise, yes.

If a Buckeye and a Wolverine can agree this much then we must be right!

IF CFB loses bowl games, what are the 100 school with no chance at playoffs gonna do.
people mocked me for being Temple fan, tell me the'll never win NC, my goal was Liberty bowl
MAC has Detriot, SB & C-USA have NO, MWC has LA

P2 gonna opt out, bowls are beneath them, M2 will opt out to prove their big time

(12-29-2023 06:19 PM)j lance Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:04 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 10:59 AM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  Keep the bowls! They serve a purpose. If you don’t like them, don’t watch them. If you want 32 team playoffs, go watch the NfL. Easy fixes:

1. Keep it in December as a reward for the season.
2. Consider moving all bowl games to proper stadiums in warm weather cities. Games played in Annapolis in a driving rain are not enticing kids to stay.
3. Pay the players participating and, if needed, reduce the amount going to the conference/teams and give it to the players.
4. Shift the transfer portal to open on May 1st. Yes, this means players cannot transfer for spring ball, but who said that was the goal of the portal? If you play a football season then you stay at that school for the entire academic year.
5. Follow the lead of Dukes and Pop Tarts and make the tie in fun.
6. Decide whether bowl tie ins should exist. Not sure on this but either build in a natural rivalry in these lesser games or forget it and build good match ups that may have recruiting implications, etc.
7. Make Rose, Sugar, Orange and Fiesta bowls permanent playoff quarterfinal games on New Years Day (maybe the Orange always on NYE). All other bowls played before NYE.

Going forward, 1 ('reward for the season') doesn't compute without 3.

Can somebody explain to me how the bowls will work with the new 12 team playoff from what i understand the first round games will be on campus games so doesnt that remove at least 4 teams from the bowls the quarterfinals and semifinals be the new years six bowls so that makes up for lost 4 teams or can the first round losers still play in a bowl later in the month

The NCAA has not established their rules to handle the 12-team CFP.

Currently, they allow one extra game for the winners of two bowl games. The NCAA will do whatever the CFP tells them to.

While the first round of the playoff will eliminate four possible bowl teams, four teams will play in two bowl games, assuming that the semifinals are designated "bowl games".

Currently there are 41 bowl games. Two bowls are used for the 4 playoff teams, which leaves 39 bowl games for 78 other teams.

If there are 41 bowl games next year, six will be used for the 8 quarterfinalists, leaving 35 bowl games for non-playoff teams. Since there will be 8 more playoff teams, there will be 8 fewer non-playoff teams. The 35 other bowls will accommodate 70 other teams.

But that would leave 4 first round losers in mid-December, who might be 9-4, 10-3, etc. staying home. It might be too late to schedule them into a bowl game. You could have two designated bowl games, but they might be extremely flat or missing players to the portal. If they did not add any bowl games, they would be taking spots from ordinary bowl teams.

If I were the CFP I would have a couple of bowl games for the other conference champions who aren't in the playoffs. This would recognize that the CFP is owned by all the conferences, and could be used for payouts based on performance.

Bowl season is fine. Maybe get rid of 2-3 of them.

Maybe get rid of the Fenway Bowl & Pinstripe Bowl. Cold weather baseball stadium bowls with bad sightlines are weird. I don’t mind occasional gimmicks but I don’t feel the “vibe” of a football game at some historic baseball stadiums.

I would also move the FirstResponder Bowl from SMU back to the Cotton Bowl Stadium. The Cotton Bowl Stadium deserves a bowl game.

Getting to play at Fenway Park is great if you are a baseball player.

Why are bowl games suddenly unimportant if you aren’t in the playoffs? Back in the day, we had the four on New Years Day and maybe 6-7 others. If you weren’t #1 or playing #1, you were out of luck. Other than the 1984 Holiday Bowl, none of the non-1/1 games ever mattered to determine the national championship.

If you don’t like the bowl games, don’t watch. Over 100 of the FBS teams know they’ll never sniff the playoffs. But they can go to a bowl and have a moment in the sun.

Keep them where they are. I don’t want to watch a bowl game in the spring. I don’t see getting excited about a football game three months after last season and five months before the next. And pushing back the start to earlier in August? Enjoy the heat stroke.

I don’t think the first round losers will want to go to a bowl game. If you think people are opting out now, it would be worse for that. The NFL used to have something called a Playoff Bowl, essentially a third place game. Read what Vince Lombardi called it.

1) Move the portal date to after the bowls. largely reduce pre bowl movement.
2) Market all the bowls and not just the playoff. Media drives fan perception.
3) Reject any elitist mindset, and embrace any David vs Goliath match ups, and the left behinds from what used to be peer vs peer. Dont be the one that only values name branding. enjoy the sport of football.

(12-29-2023 08:45 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 10:59 AM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  Keep the bowls! They serve a purpose. If you don’t like them, don’t watch them. If you want 32 team playoffs, go watch the NfL. Easy fixes:

1. Keep it in December as a reward for the season.
2. Consider moving all bowl games to proper stadiums in warm weather cities. Games played in Annapolis in a driving rain are not enticing kids to stay.
3. Pay the players participating and, if needed, reduce the amount going to the conference/teams and give it to the players.
4. Shift the transfer portal to open on May 1st. Yes, this means players cannot transfer for spring ball, but who said that was the goal of the portal? If you play a football season then you stay at that school for the entire academic year.
5. Follow the lead of Dukes and Pop Tarts and make the tie in fun.
6. Decide whether bowl conference tie ins should exist. Not sure on this but either build in a natural rivalry in these lesser games or forget it and build good match ups that may have recruiting implications, etc.
7. Make Rose, Sugar, Orange and Fiesta bowls permanent playoff quarterfinal games on New Years Day (maybe the Orange always on NYE). All other bowls played before NYE.

I think #1 & #2 will stay more or less the same with Bowl season starting a week sooner and agree on #3.

#4, I don't think that'll be the case. I have no issue with the with the portal opening in May after spring camp, but I think they'll keep it open at 2 separate times during the year. I think the winter opening should be moved to after bowl season. It won't stop bowl opt outs, but we can get past the quarterfinals or semis before opening the portal, give players some time to think about their decision after the regular season ends.

#5, YES! #6 maybe give each bowl 1 conference tie-in and leave the other one at-large as a middle ground. I also support separating the bowls into 4 tiers with the CFP A-tier, ranked teams and conference champs not in the CFP B-tier, unranked Power teams in C-tier, and unranked G5 teams in D-tier. The top G5 teams can move up to C-tier if all Power team spots are not filled. If B-tier has open spots, the next highest ranked team(s) are selected.

#7, I would choose the Cotton Bowl instead of the Fiesta, but otherwise, yes.

These are the ideas that have destroyed fan enjoyment in the sport. always creating separation and forming smaller groups. all fans want to feel like their team is apart of the whole. its 130+ fan based that make the sport as popular as it is. continuing to cut off large chunks on the fan bases and the popularity will die off also.

After watching today's games I will say it again, GET RID OF THEM!

Move all the bowl games to the preseason.

(12-30-2023 03:13 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 08:45 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 10:59 AM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  Keep the bowls! They serve a purpose. If you don’t like them, don’t watch them. If you want 32 team playoffs, go watch the NfL. Easy fixes:

1. Keep it in December as a reward for the season.
2. Consider moving all bowl games to proper stadiums in warm weather cities. Games played in Annapolis in a driving rain are not enticing kids to stay.
3. Pay the players participating and, if needed, reduce the amount going to the conference/teams and give it to the players.
4. Shift the transfer portal to open on May 1st. Yes, this means players cannot transfer for spring ball, but who said that was the goal of the portal? If you play a football season then you stay at that school for the entire academic year.
5. Follow the lead of Dukes and Pop Tarts and make the tie in fun.
6. Decide whether bowl conference tie ins should exist. Not sure on this but either build in a natural rivalry in these lesser games or forget it and build good match ups that may have recruiting implications, etc.
7. Make Rose, Sugar, Orange and Fiesta bowls permanent playoff quarterfinal games on New Years Day (maybe the Orange always on NYE). All other bowls played before NYE.

I think #1 & #2 will stay more or less the same with Bowl season starting a week sooner and agree on #3.

#4, I don't think that'll be the case. I have no issue with the with the portal opening in May after spring camp, but I think they'll keep it open at 2 separate times during the year. I think the winter opening should be moved to after bowl season. It won't stop bowl opt outs, but we can get past the quarterfinals or semis before opening the portal, give players some time to think about their decision after the regular season ends.

#5, YES! #6 maybe give each bowl 1 conference tie-in and leave the other one at-large as a middle ground. I also support separating the bowls into 4 tiers with the CFP A-tier, ranked teams and conference champs not in the CFP B-tier, unranked Power teams in C-tier, and unranked G5 teams in D-tier. The top G5 teams can move up to C-tier if all Power team spots are not filled. If B-tier has open spots, the next highest ranked team(s) are selected.

#7, I would choose the Cotton Bowl instead of the Fiesta, but otherwise, yes.

These are the ideas that have destroyed fan enjoyment in the sport. always creating separation and forming smaller groups. all fans want to feel like their team is apart of the whole. its 130+ fan based that make the sport as popular as it is. continuing to cut off large chunks on the fan bases and the popularity will die off also.

What's different about it compared to what we have now? We have the CFP/NY6 bowls, 13 bowls with G5 teams, 8 bowls with P5 vs. G5 (excludes Liberty-Oregon), and 14 P5 vs. P5 bowls (excludes other 5 NY6 bowls). The reason we got 9 P5 vs. G5 matchups is because the G5 teams got some of the P5 spots they didn't fill. There's only 5 guaranteed G5 vs. P5 bowl matchups currently (Military, Fenway, LA, Quick Lane, NY6).

Basically the only major change I'm proposing is the ranked teams and conference champs not in the CFP assume the role of the non-playoff NY6 bowls with the expansion of the CFP. Basically going from 2 CFP bowls + 4 non-playoff NY6 bowls to 4 CFP quarterfinals + 8-9 B-tier bowls, # depending on if PAC survives (played between Dec. 26-NYD/Jan. 2). This gives the 5 G5 champs (including CFP participant) and probably the best G5 at-large an opportunity against a ranked P5 opponent, and establishes a tier of Bowls teams should strive for (make a bowl, make an upper tier bowl, make the playoff). The rest of the bowls can technically be played as currently is where you have you P4 v. P4 and G5 v. G5, and if any P4 slots are available, the top G5 teams would fill those spots available.

They should be a reward for above mediocrity.

7 wins over FBS schools.

Exceptions:

6 wins and team has not been to bowl game in three previous seasons.

ESPN can host an indefinite number of bowl games in Las Vegas which are filled by qualifying teams.

(12-30-2023 11:37 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  They should be a reward for above mediocrity.

7 wins over FBS schools.

Exceptions:

6 wins and team has not been to bowl game in three previous seasons.

ESPN can host an indefinite number of bowl games in Las Vegas which are filled by qualifying teams.

This season 46 teams would qualify, with 16 qualifying for the 1 in 4 opportunity. Of those 16 teams, two would qualify under the 1 in 4 exception: Virginia Tech and Bowling Green.

Of this seasons bowls, 18 would have had both teams qualify:

12 would have one team qualify:

Ohio, Jacksonville State, Boise State, UTSA, Troy, Utah, Bowling Green, Oklahoma State, SMU, Clemson, Memphis, LSU would be re-paired in 6 of these 12 games:

Myrtle Beach, New Orleans, LA Bowl, Birmingham, Las Vegas, Quick Lane (Detroit), Texas (Houston), Fenway (Boston), Gator (Jax), Liberty (Memphis), Reliaquest (Tampa)

11 games could be cancelled.

(12-29-2023 07:29 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  The games are important until your team doesnt win enough regular season games or loses their bowl game. Then its an exhibition game or some other excuse.

Or if you're missing half of your team for the game.