(12-29-2023 10:59 AM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  Keep the bowls! They serve a purpose. If you don’t like them, don’t watch them. If you want 32 team playoffs, go watch the NfL. Easy fixes:

1. Keep it in December as a reward for the season.
2. Consider moving all bowl games to proper stadiums in warm weather cities. Games played in Annapolis in a driving rain are not enticing kids to stay.
3. Pay the players participating and, if needed, reduce the amount going to the conference/teams and give it to the players.
4. Shift the transfer portal to open on May 1st. Yes, this means players cannot transfer for spring ball, but who said that was the goal of the portal? If you play a football season then you stay at that school for the entire academic year.
5. Follow the lead of Dukes and Pop Tarts and make the tie in fun.
6. Decide whether bowl tie ins should exist. Not sure on this but either build in a natural rivalry in these lesser games or forget it and build good match ups that may have recruiting implications, etc.
7. Make Rose, Sugar, Orange and Fiesta bowls permanent playoff quarterfinal games on New Years Day (maybe the Orange always on NYE). All other bowls played before NYE.

Going forward, 1 ('reward for the season') doesn't compute without 3.

(12-29-2023 10:59 AM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  Keep the bowls! They serve a purpose. If you don’t like them, don’t watch them. If you want 32 team playoffs, go watch the NfL. Easy fixes:

What purpose would that be?

(12-29-2023 11:03 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Several years back Dabo Swinny suggested, and I think it was a positive one, that we gid rid of Spring Games. That would allow two sport athletes the chance to play football and baseball or any other spring sport, like track & field, or pick one. It would give coaches a small bit of time with families, concentrate that practice time in the summer culminating in an exhibition pre-season game against an in-state FCS school giving them their payday game. You would hold this game on the 3rd or 4th Saturday in August and sell the ticket as part of your coming season ticket book for the 12-game regular season. Dabo stressed that in an upper tier being paid to move toward 12 P Games for the regular season this would become every school's 7th home game in the season book.

I liked the idea then, and like it now.

Bowls are an antiquated system that was designed to enrich the tourism dollars of local chambers of commerce. It helped if they were in desirable destinations for families. Back then the tickets were inexpensive, and families could go. Now the tickets are jacked up, the hotels double their rates on that weekend, and they are a scam. And frankly, most of the P schools have better venues with better amenities than any of the so-called minor bowls.

Good point about the origin of these games. They were holiday tourist-attracting moves in an age of young families, cheap gas, and large middle class. College athletes who had never left the Midwest were thrilled to be treated like celebrities in sunny Pasadena or Miami.

I'm all for having more games to watch, but the exhibition/pre-season character of these things is increasingly transparent. It's time to admit as much and rethink.

If a bowl is not a playoff game, it's not really even a game that 'caps the season' anymore. It's a too-early start on the next.

A hefty paycheck for players might be enough in itself to change that. But enough coaches have advocated replacing spring intra-squad games with intercollegiate scrimmages that a shift on the calendar might actually meet a need.

More Pop Tarts, Idaho Potatoes, and Mayonnaise. Bowl games are supposed to be a celebration, so let it be a celebration.

Get more sponsors to go "all in" on promoting their products in ridiculous ways. I love that.

(12-29-2023 11:20 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  More Pop Tarts, Idaho Potatoes, and Mayonnaise. Bowl games are supposed to be a celebration, so let it be a celebration.

Get more sponsors to go "all in" on promoting their products in ridiculous ways. I love that.

LOL! I don't know about that! The whole Live Mascot Pop Tart thing was pretty close to just saying, "Eat Me!" to the players specifically and to the public in general, and there's something about that which was off-putting. And that has nothing to do with sugar coated pop tarts being mostly a chemical concoction junk food. I'd rather have a freshly baked donut and they aren't anywhere near "healthy" or "good" for you.

(12-29-2023 11:04 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 10:59 AM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  Keep the bowls! They serve a purpose. If you don’t like them, don’t watch them. If you want 32 team playoffs, go watch the NfL. Easy fixes:

1. Keep it in December as a reward for the season.
2. Consider moving all bowl games to proper stadiums in warm weather cities. Games played in Annapolis in a driving rain are not enticing kids to stay.
3. Pay the players participating and, if needed, reduce the amount going to the conference/teams and give it to the players.
4. Shift the transfer portal to open on May 1st. Yes, this means players cannot transfer for spring ball, but who said that was the goal of the portal? If you play a football season then you stay at that school for the entire academic year.
5. Follow the lead of Dukes and Pop Tarts and make the tie in fun.
6. Decide whether bowl tie ins should exist. Not sure on this but either build in a natural rivalry in these lesser games or forget it and build good match ups that may have recruiting implications, etc.
7. Make Rose, Sugar, Orange and Fiesta bowls permanent playoff quarterfinal games on New Years Day (maybe the Orange always on NYE). All other bowls played before NYE.

Going forward, 1 ('reward for the season') doesn't compute without 3.

I’m all for that. Frankly, give the entire payout to the players in my opinion.

(12-29-2023 11:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 10:59 AM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  Keep the bowls! They serve a purpose. If you don’t like them, don’t watch them. If you want 32 team playoffs, go watch the NfL. Easy fixes:

What purpose would that be?

For fans, we get to see a lot of college football throughout the holiday season. We also get to see teams and match ups that we often can’t during the season.

For the schools, they get two more weeks of practice and additional national exposure for recruiting. They also get happy alumni traveling to their games.

For players, well, they likely get the least from non-playoff bowls. Let’s fix that.

(12-29-2023 11:03 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Several years back Dabo Swinny suggested, and I think it was a positive one, that we gid rid of Spring Games. That would allow two sport athletes the chance to play football and baseball or any other spring sport, like track & field, or pick one. It would give coaches a small bit of time with families, concentrate that practice time in the summer culminating in an exhibition pre-season game against an in-state FCS school giving them their payday game. You would hold this game on the 3rd or 4th Saturday in August and sell the ticket as part of your coming season ticket book for the 12-game regular season. Dabo stressed that in an upper tier being paid to move toward 12 P Games for the regular season this would become every school's 7th home game in the season book.

I liked the idea then, and like it now.

Bowls are an antiquated system that was designed to enrich the tourism dollars of local chambers of commerce. It helped if they were in desirable destinations for families. Back then the tickets were inexpensive, and families could go. Now the tickets are jacked up, the hotels double their rates on that weekend, and they are a scam. And frankly, most of the P schools have better venues with better amenities than any of the so-called minor bowls.

JR I like the idea of eliminating spring ball and having a training camp game in August. All for it.

As to the bowls, we all have our opinions, which is great. I like them…as long as the networks will pay to put them on tv I will watch.

(12-29-2023 11:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:20 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  More Pop Tarts, Idaho Potatoes, and Mayonnaise. Bowl games are supposed to be a celebration, so let it be a celebration.

Get more sponsors to go "all in" on promoting their products in ridiculous ways. I love that.

LOL! I don't know about that! The whole Live Mascot Pop Tart thing was pretty close to just saying, "Eat Me!" to the players specifically and to the public in general, and there's something about that which was off-putting. And that has nothing to do with sugar coated pop tarts being mostly a chemical concoction junk food. I'd rather have a freshly baked donut and they aren't anywhere near "healthy" or "good" for you.

There was a picture after the game of a Kansas State player trying to lick the mascot. There's a video of the Pop Tart slapping a ref's butt during the game and immediately walking away. I laughed when I saw it trying to catch a field goal attempt behind the endzone.

It doesn't have to be a Pop Tart, but seeing that level of ridiculousness was great. More bowls should embrace that. Create an entertaining product different from regular season games.

(12-29-2023 11:51 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:20 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  More Pop Tarts, Idaho Potatoes, and Mayonnaise. Bowl games are supposed to be a celebration, so let it be a celebration.

Get more sponsors to go "all in" on promoting their products in ridiculous ways. I love that.

LOL! I don't know about that! The whole Live Mascot Pop Tart thing was pretty close to just saying, "Eat Me!" to the players specifically and to the public in general, and there's something about that which was off-putting. And that has nothing to do with sugar coated pop tarts being mostly a chemical concoction junk food. I'd rather have a freshly baked donut and they aren't anywhere near "healthy" or "good" for you.

There was a picture after the game of a Kansas State player trying to lick the mascot. There's a video of the Pop Tart slapping a ref's butt during the game and immediately walking away. I laughed when I saw it trying to catch a field goal attempt behind the endzone.

It doesn't have to be a Pop Tart, but seeing that level of ridiculousness was great. More bowls should embrace that. Create an entertaining product different from regular season games.

So, you are saying the Pop Tart got Fresh with the official? Hmm? I knew I wasn't supposed to play with my food, but the food playing with you? Is that family television?

(12-29-2023 11:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:51 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:20 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  More Pop Tarts, Idaho Potatoes, and Mayonnaise. Bowl games are supposed to be a celebration, so let it be a celebration.

Get more sponsors to go "all in" on promoting their products in ridiculous ways. I love that.

LOL! I don't know about that! The whole Live Mascot Pop Tart thing was pretty close to just saying, "Eat Me!" to the players specifically and to the public in general, and there's something about that which was off-putting. And that has nothing to do with sugar coated pop tarts being mostly a chemical concoction junk food. I'd rather have a freshly baked donut and they aren't anywhere near "healthy" or "good" for you.

There was a picture after the game of a Kansas State player trying to lick the mascot. There's a video of the Pop Tart slapping a ref's butt during the game and immediately walking away. I laughed when I saw it trying to catch a field goal attempt behind the endzone.

It doesn't have to be a Pop Tart, but seeing that level of ridiculousness was great. More bowls should embrace that. Create an entertaining product different from regular season games.

So, you are saying the Pop Tart got Fresh with the official? Hmm? I knew I wasn't supposed to play with my food, but the food playing with you? Is that family television?

Get rid of them

(12-29-2023 11:42 AM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 10:59 AM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  Keep the bowls! They serve a purpose. If you don’t like them, don’t watch them. If you want 32 team playoffs, go watch the NfL. Easy fixes:

What purpose would that be?

For fans, we get to see a lot of college football throughout the holiday season. We also get to see teams and match ups that we often can’t during the season.

For the schools, they get two more weeks of practice and additional national exposure for recruiting. They also get happy alumni traveling to their games.

For players, well, they likely get the least from non-playoff bowls. Let’s fix that.

I'm all for letting players have more practice, but I would argue the schools that need that are the ones who don't qualify for a bowl. If it's better for the games to be played after exams are over but not in spring, I say let all schools play that extra game, and let them be played at the home field of one of the teams with the gate split equally between the two. Eliminate all the bowls which have a payout that doesn't leave anything for the schools after deducting their travel expenses, and leave only the small number which still have sizable payouts or long standing tradition.

If some of these games are deemed profitable to be broadcast on TV, that's icing on the cake. But they shouldn't count toward individual or team records any more than a spring exhibition would or count against the limit on regular season games.

To spread the games out over more weeks for better TV exposure, give schools the option of a pre-season exhibition in August or a post-season exhibition in December. The marketplace will ultimately decide what the optimal number of such games is.

(12-29-2023 09:00 AM)freshtop Wrote:  ... Might delay some of the transfer portal sit outs. ...

And the transfer portal should not open until January 2nd. Having the portal open at the same time as early signing day is crazy.

(12-29-2023 05:03 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  the playoff's are not exhibition games?
gonna take 10 games to get to Mich- Wash, [12 team playoff]
and if one of them doesn't make it, no true champion
bonus, FSU wins, co- champs, 2 parades
uh,uh,uh,uh can't have that, it would be the end of the world.

btw 82 fan bases are waiting for bowl season

82 fan bases are waiting for bowl season? The Bowls are like the NIT/CBI/CIT: You talk yourself into them because you're there, but deep down, you know that NO ONE ELSE gives a damn about the bowl you were in.

You have 6-6 teams who are like "yay, we kinda suck and finished .500 if you count a win over an FCS team" (or 5-7 but got a waiver) and their fans are EXCITED to go to the ESPN-owned "We Need Programming Corporate Sponsor Everyone Makes Fun Of" Bowl?

And teams lose money going to bowl games like that.

There should be 30 bowl games for 38 teams.

The 23 you need for a 24-team playoff and seven others for one team per conference, highest rated independent (commander in chief trophy winner), and an at-large or two... so teams who go all year thinking they've got a shot at a NY6 and then lose their CCG have a place to go.

That's about it.

Bowl Season was rarely been truly important and is generally overrated. It has also been in a downward trajectory for decades. The Rose Bowl was the big exception, but starting a playoffs offered much more money. Now that the B1G killed the PAC, it has put an end to any existing nostalgia for the traditional Rose Bowl type partnerships. Originally, national champions were determined prior to Bowl Season. IMO most bowls are comparable to spring training.

Rather than tweaking the Bowl Season, it’s much more important to improve the playoffs and strengthen the regular season. This years’ CFP selection definitively proved that four teams are too few…as an undefeated power team with impeccable credentials was excluded from the playoffs. Unless the power conferences breakaway from the G5, there will be a need to be more inclusive…increasing the playoff size to add more G5 champions.

(12-29-2023 12:06 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:51 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:20 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  More Pop Tarts, Idaho Potatoes, and Mayonnaise. Bowl games are supposed to be a celebration, so let it be a celebration.

Get more sponsors to go "all in" on promoting their products in ridiculous ways. I love that.

LOL! I don't know about that! The whole Live Mascot Pop Tart thing was pretty close to just saying, "Eat Me!" to the players specifically and to the public in general, and there's something about that which was off-putting. And that has nothing to do with sugar coated pop tarts being mostly a chemical concoction junk food. I'd rather have a freshly baked donut and they aren't anywhere near "healthy" or "good" for you.

There was a picture after the game of a Kansas State player trying to lick the mascot. There's a video of the Pop Tart slapping a ref's butt during the game and immediately walking away. I laughed when I saw it trying to catch a field goal attempt behind the endzone.

It doesn't have to be a Pop Tart, but seeing that level of ridiculousness was great. More bowls should embrace that. Create an entertaining product different from regular season games.

So, you are saying the Pop Tart got Fresh with the official? Hmm? I knew I wasn't supposed to play with my food, but the food playing with you? Is that family television?

Tums should jump on that.

Probably no way to save bowl games. Maybe conferences can start having a semi round for their conf. Then maybe take the playoffs to 8 or keep them at 4.
It wouldn’t be the same as bowl games, but more schools would have more meaningful post season games.

If you opt out of a bowl game with no medical excuse, you owe the cost of the scholarship for your final year to the university.

(12-29-2023 02:13 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  If you opt out of a bowl game with no medical excuse, you owe the cost of the scholarship for your final year to the university.

you do that and you won't get any top tier players at all. and if you got a non top tier player and they develop, they'd just transfer out.