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Our chances of beating JMU skyrocketed today,
In the past, an incoming coach would inherit the team and there would be little dropoff for a year or two, depending on seniors. See Jimbo Fisher after Bobby Bowden.
The portal has changed all that, and JMU could see significant player attrition.

(11-30-2023 07:12 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our chances of beating JMU skyrocketed today,
In the past, an incoming coach would inherit the team and there would be little dropoff for a year or two, depending on seniors. See Jimbo Fisher after Bobby Bowden.
The portal has changed all that, and JMU could see significant player attrition.

JMU has a winning culture. They will find a quality coach. They have a good history of doing that. We need to actually beat them first before we can talk about how the tides have changed.

(11-30-2023 07:12 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our chances of beating JMU skyrocketed today,
In the past, an incoming coach would inherit the team and there would be little dropoff for a year or two, depending on seniors. See Jimbo Fisher after Bobby Bowden.
The portal has changed all that, and JMU could see significant player attrition.

We were just in a one possession game with them. Please done act like the gap was that big.

(12-01-2023 12:20 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(11-30-2023 07:12 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our chances of beating JMU skyrocketed today,
In the past, an incoming coach would inherit the team and there would be little dropoff for a year or two, depending on seniors. See Jimbo Fisher after Bobby Bowden.
The portal has changed all that, and JMU could see significant player attrition.

We were just in a one possession game with them. Please done act like the gap was that big.

Hehe agreed.
Let me amend that to say that, IMHO the chances of them maintaining their conference dominance (11-1) next season took a huge hit, mostly because of the portal.

(12-01-2023 12:44 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:20 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(11-30-2023 07:12 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our chances of beating JMU skyrocketed today,
In the past, an incoming coach would inherit the team and there would be little dropoff for a year or two, depending on seniors. See Jimbo Fisher after Bobby Bowden.
The portal has changed all that, and JMU could see significant player attrition.

We were just in a one possession game with them. Please done act like the gap was that big.

Hehe agreed.
Let me amend that to say that, IMHO the chances of them maintaining their conference dominance (11-1) next season took a huge hit, mostly because of the portal.

They are in a much better position to hire a top coach now than when they lost Houston to ECU. What up and comer wouldn’t want to coach there? Their last three coaches were hired away to bigger jobs after much success. They just have to make sure they choose the right one. We were in a similar position when we fired BT, but Wood screwed up royally. Maybe JMU does too, but history says they won’t. Just like VCU w all their hires.

(12-01-2023 07:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:44 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:20 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(11-30-2023 07:12 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our chances of beating JMU skyrocketed today,
In the past, an incoming coach would inherit the team and there would be little dropoff for a year or two, depending on seniors. See Jimbo Fisher after Bobby Bowden.
The portal has changed all that, and JMU could see significant player attrition.

We were just in a one possession game with them. Please done act like the gap was that big.

Hehe agreed.
Let me amend that to say that, IMHO the chances of them maintaining their conference dominance (11-1) next season took a huge hit, mostly because of the portal.

They are in a much better position to hire a top coach now than when they lost Houston to ECU. What up and comer wouldn’t want to coach there? Their last three coaches were hired away to bigger jobs after much success. They just have to make sure they choose the right one. We were in a similar position when we fired BT, but Wood screwed up royally. Maybe JMU does too, but history says they won’t. Just like VCU w all their hires.

Schultz reported on his daily upload to youtube that JMU counter offered Cignetti with a competitive offer that would have made him the highest paid sunbelt coach. I take it JMU will have some money to through around with the next hire.

(12-01-2023 07:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:44 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:20 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(11-30-2023 07:12 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our chances of beating JMU skyrocketed today,
In the past, an incoming coach would inherit the team and there would be little dropoff for a year or two, depending on seniors. See Jimbo Fisher after Bobby Bowden.
The portal has changed all that, and JMU could see significant player attrition.

We were just in a one possession game with them. Please done act like the gap was that big.

Hehe agreed.
Let me amend that to say that, IMHO the chances of them maintaining their conference dominance (11-1) next season took a huge hit, mostly because of the portal.

They are in a much better position to hire a top coach now than when they lost Houston to ECU. What up and comer wouldn’t want to coach there? Their last three coaches were hired away to bigger jobs after much success. They just have to make sure they choose the right one. We were in a similar position when we fired BT, but Wood screwed up royally. Maybe JMU does too, but history says they won’t. Just like VCU w all their hires.

I am not assuming that they will not get a good coach. What I am saying is that no matter who the coach, because of the portal, they may have a major personnel rebuild.

(12-01-2023 07:54 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 07:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:44 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:20 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(11-30-2023 07:12 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our chances of beating JMU skyrocketed today,
In the past, an incoming coach would inherit the team and there would be little dropoff for a year or two, depending on seniors. See Jimbo Fisher after Bobby Bowden.
The portal has changed all that, and JMU could see significant player attrition.

We were just in a one possession game with them. Please done act like the gap was that big.

Hehe agreed.
Let me amend that to say that, IMHO the chances of them maintaining their conference dominance (11-1) next season took a huge hit, mostly because of the portal.

They are in a much better position to hire a top coach now than when they lost Houston to ECU. What up and comer wouldn’t want to coach there? Their last three coaches were hired away to bigger jobs after much success. They just have to make sure they choose the right one. We were in a similar position when we fired BT, but Wood screwed up royally. Maybe JMU does too, but history says they won’t. Just like VCU w all their hires.

Schultz reported on his daily upload to youtube that JMU counter offered Cignetti with a competitive offer that would have made him the highest paid sunbelt coach. I take it JMU will have some money to through around with the next hire.

I am not sure they will have the fire power to match P5's with their counter offer. Assuming JMU increases his current salary 5x that is peanuts to Indiana. Entire G5 is a test bed for coaches to be harvested and picked up by the P5's once ripe.

(12-01-2023 07:54 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 07:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:44 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:20 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(11-30-2023 07:12 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our chances of beating JMU skyrocketed today,
In the past, an incoming coach would inherit the team and there would be little dropoff for a year or two, depending on seniors. See Jimbo Fisher after Bobby Bowden.
The portal has changed all that, and JMU could see significant player attrition.

We were just in a one possession game with them. Please done act like the gap was that big.

Hehe agreed.
Let me amend that to say that, IMHO the chances of them maintaining their conference dominance (11-1) next season took a huge hit, mostly because of the portal.

They are in a much better position to hire a top coach now than when they lost Houston to ECU. What up and comer wouldn’t want to coach there? Their last three coaches were hired away to bigger jobs after much success. They just have to make sure they choose the right one. We were in a similar position when we fired BT, but Wood screwed up royally. Maybe JMU does too, but history says they won’t. Just like VCU w all their hires.

Schultz reported on his daily upload to youtube that JMU counter offered Cignetti with a competitive offer that would have made him the highest paid sunbelt coach. I take it JMU will have some money to through around with the next hire.

Yes they will. But it was around $1mil a year. It's a really good deal for the Sun Belt but calling it competitive with the deal he got from Indiana is funny.

(12-01-2023 08:43 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 07:54 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 07:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:44 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:20 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  We were just in a one possession game with them. Please done act like the gap was that big.

Hehe agreed.
Let me amend that to say that, IMHO the chances of them maintaining their conference dominance (11-1) next season took a huge hit, mostly because of the portal.

They are in a much better position to hire a top coach now than when they lost Houston to ECU. What up and comer wouldn’t want to coach there? Their last three coaches were hired away to bigger jobs after much success. They just have to make sure they choose the right one. We were in a similar position when we fired BT, but Wood screwed up royally. Maybe JMU does too, but history says they won’t. Just like VCU w all their hires.

Schultz reported on his daily upload to youtube that JMU counter offered Cignetti with a competitive offer that would have made him the highest paid sunbelt coach. I take it JMU will have some money to through around with the next hire.

I am not sure they will have the fire power to match P5's with their counter offer. Assuming JMU increases his current salary 5x that is peanuts to Indiana. Entire G5 is a test bed for coaches to be harvested and picked up by the P5's once ripe.

Would always rather be in that position than having to fiire your coach, because,

1. you don't have to eat the payout
2. means your program is in such good shape that it will likely attract a top replacement

(12-01-2023 08:50 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 08:43 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 07:54 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 07:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:44 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Hehe agreed.
Let me amend that to say that, IMHO the chances of them maintaining their conference dominance (11-1) next season took a huge hit, mostly because of the portal.

They are in a much better position to hire a top coach now than when they lost Houston to ECU. What up and comer wouldn’t want to coach there? Their last three coaches were hired away to bigger jobs after much success. They just have to make sure they choose the right one. We were in a similar position when we fired BT, but Wood screwed up royally. Maybe JMU does too, but history says they won’t. Just like VCU w all their hires.

Schultz reported on his daily upload to youtube that JMU counter offered Cignetti with a competitive offer that would have made him the highest paid sunbelt coach. I take it JMU will have some money to through around with the next hire.

I am not sure they will have the fire power to match P5's with their counter offer. Assuming JMU increases his current salary 5x that is peanuts to Indiana. Entire G5 is a test bed for coaches to be harvested and picked up by the P5's once ripe.

Would always rather be in that position than having to fiire your coach, because,

1. you don't have to eat the payout
2. means your program is in such good shape that it will likely attract a top replacement

Absolutely. If we have to be a midget then lets be the tallest and successful one with coaches leaving for greener pastures leaving us with buyout money and some of the talent they brought in so we can build off of that.

(12-01-2023 08:50 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 08:43 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 07:54 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 07:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:44 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Hehe agreed.
Let me amend that to say that, IMHO the chances of them maintaining their conference dominance (11-1) next season took a huge hit, mostly because of the portal.

They are in a much better position to hire a top coach now than when they lost Houston to ECU. What up and comer wouldn’t want to coach there? Their last three coaches were hired away to bigger jobs after much success. They just have to make sure they choose the right one. We were in a similar position when we fired BT, but Wood screwed up royally. Maybe JMU does too, but history says they won’t. Just like VCU w all their hires.

Schultz reported on his daily upload to youtube that JMU counter offered Cignetti with a competitive offer that would have made him the highest paid sunbelt coach. I take it JMU will have some money to through around with the next hire.

I am not sure they will have the fire power to match P5's with their counter offer. Assuming JMU increases his current salary 5x that is peanuts to Indiana. Entire G5 is a test bed for coaches to be harvested and picked up by the P5's once ripe.

Would always rather be in that position than having to fiire your coach, because,

1. you don't have to eat the payout
2. means your program is in such good shape that it will likely attract a top replacement

And they'll get a million + dollar buyout to add to their coffers. Tell a major donor to redirect their payment for a year to the collective rather than the athletic dept and you can buy a lot of talent.

Remember when successful coaches would be loyal and stick with a school to raise its profile because they had pride? …. Oh yeah, none of us were alive back then.

(12-01-2023 09:29 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  Remember when successful coaches would be loyal and stick with a school to raise its profile because they had pride? …. Oh yeah, none of us were alive back then.

There also wasnt as huge of a salary differential between schools then. It still amazes me that ODU was very close to having Lefty Drissel leave Maryland to come coach at ODU. It was a different world. What used to be a slight difference between the haves and the have nots in terms of money and resources has now grown to become a huge chasm. Cant really blame a guy for leaving a G5 for a P5 when the difference is many millions per year.

(12-01-2023 07:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:44 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:20 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(11-30-2023 07:12 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our chances of beating JMU skyrocketed today,
In the past, an incoming coach would inherit the team and there would be little dropoff for a year or two, depending on seniors. See Jimbo Fisher after Bobby Bowden.
The portal has changed all that, and JMU could see significant player attrition.

We were just in a one possession game with them. Please done act like the gap was that big.

Hehe agreed.
Let me amend that to say that, IMHO the chances of them maintaining their conference dominance (11-1) next season took a huge hit, mostly because of the portal.

They are in a much better position to hire a top coach now than when they lost Houston to ECU. What up and comer wouldn’t want to coach there? Their last three coaches were hired away to bigger jobs after much success. They just have to make sure they choose the right one. We were in a similar position when we fired BT, but Wood screwed up royally. Maybe JMU does too, but history says they won’t. Just like VCU w all their hires.

True. And when the day comes, we will also be in a much better position than when we hired RR. That is an advantage of being in the Sun Belt East.

(12-01-2023 07:54 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 07:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:44 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:20 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(11-30-2023 07:12 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our chances of beating JMU skyrocketed today,
In the past, an incoming coach would inherit the team and there would be little dropoff for a year or two, depending on seniors. See Jimbo Fisher after Bobby Bowden.
The portal has changed all that, and JMU could see significant player attrition.

We were just in a one possession game with them. Please done act like the gap was that big.

Hehe agreed.
Let me amend that to say that, IMHO the chances of them maintaining their conference dominance (11-1) next season took a huge hit, mostly because of the portal.

They are in a much better position to hire a top coach now than when they lost Houston to ECU. What up and comer wouldn’t want to coach there? Their last three coaches were hired away to bigger jobs after much success. They just have to make sure they choose the right one. We were in a similar position when we fired BT, but Wood screwed up royally. Maybe JMU does too, but history says they won’t. Just like VCU w all their hires.

Schultz reported on his daily upload to youtube that JMU counter offered Cignetti with a competitive offer that would have made him the highest paid sunbelt coach. I take it JMU will have some money to through around with the next hire.

If JMU had of done that last year they would still have a coach.

(12-01-2023 05:18 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 07:54 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 07:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:44 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:20 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  We were just in a one possession game with them. Please done act like the gap was that big.

Hehe agreed.
Let me amend that to say that, IMHO the chances of them maintaining their conference dominance (11-1) next season took a huge hit, mostly because of the portal.

They are in a much better position to hire a top coach now than when they lost Houston to ECU. What up and comer wouldn’t want to coach there? Their last three coaches were hired away to bigger jobs after much success. They just have to make sure they choose the right one. We were in a similar position when we fired BT, but Wood screwed up royally. Maybe JMU does too, but history says they won’t. Just like VCU w all their hires.

Schultz reported on his daily upload to youtube that JMU counter offered Cignetti with a competitive offer that would have made him the highest paid sunbelt coach. I take it JMU will have some money to through around with the next hire.

If JMU had of done that last year they would still have a coach.

Gonna have to disagree. P5 money still far exceeds what they could have paid him.

(12-02-2023 07:41 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 05:18 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 07:54 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 07:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:44 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Hehe agreed.
Let me amend that to say that, IMHO the chances of them maintaining their conference dominance (11-1) next season took a huge hit, mostly because of the portal.

They are in a much better position to hire a top coach now than when they lost Houston to ECU. What up and comer wouldn’t want to coach there? Their last three coaches were hired away to bigger jobs after much success. They just have to make sure they choose the right one. We were in a similar position when we fired BT, but Wood screwed up royally. Maybe JMU does too, but history says they won’t. Just like VCU w all their hires.

Schultz reported on his daily upload to youtube that JMU counter offered Cignetti with a competitive offer that would have made him the highest paid sunbelt coach. I take it JMU will have some money to through around with the next hire.

If JMU had of done that last year they would still have a coach.

Gonna have to disagree. P5 money still far exceeds what they could have paid him.

It's Like that. When a program becomes a P5 they are "made", us G5's are all like Tommy DeVito, awaiting our meeting with the bosses in the room. We should know what to expect, but we are kinda close, so...

JMU hasn't had a losing season since 2003, so let's feel too bad for them. They'll get back on track. They have found some good coaches, that seem to leave and do absolutely nothing.

(12-02-2023 01:47 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  JMU hasn't had a losing season since 2003, so let's feel too bad for them. They'll get back on track. They have found some good coaches, that seem to leave and do absolutely nothing.

Meanwhile, we have been polar opposite with having a string of winning seasons. That needs to change. No ODU fan should want JMU to be successful at anything. If one wants that, one is a Sun Belt Conference fan and not an ODU fan.