(11-11-2023 07:20 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Being in the Philly area, it's really sad to see what happened to Temple and St. Joe's. College basketball and recruiting is national now and with all the TV games on the local people don't need to stay in Philly anymore and if they do Villanova is miles ahead of both. I am way grateful that we do have a program in our backyard that won two national championships since 2016 (I don't hold against them that they aren't in the city, I don't live in the city either). But the better Jay Wright and Villanova got, the worse Temple and St. Joe's have fallen.

To those old enough to remember when the Big 5 really meant something, anyone who wasn't a Villanova fan (pretty much the Temple, St. Joe's, and LaSalle fans) seem to have a special disdain to Villanova and how they held Big East membership over the other three/four (not like Penn cared). I don't know if it's a correlation, though. The Wright era, especially throughout the 2010's, saw failed Martelli recruiting classes (putting stock in an overrated kid or two, who seemed to always get injured no less, in otherwise one-dimensional teams) and Temple...dealing with a conference identity issue.

FWIW, to that old-school disdain thing, when listening to local sports radio, related podcasts, and reading local papers, I do think that media doesn't help the Philadelphia scene any understating how Philadelphia had TWO title parades in 2018. The press only want to focus on the Eagles. And I get the impression that if it was Temple that won, or St. Joe's, it would get better reference/reverance. Whether it's the relative value of college basketball, or just old school spite, none of it helps.

Penn's the more disappointing story, though, imo. It started going downhill for them once their former president started establishing herself. Dunphy, Bilsky, and then eventually Bagnoli. I doubt it gets better under the new president, but, hey, if you like history and museums, and want to see something that saw its peak years ago, enjoy Franklin Field and the Palestra.

Caleb Love beat Dook… again

Let us all take a moment to laugh

(11-11-2023 03:14 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 10:26 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Any chance Jay Wright or Bob Huggins can step in here in Louisville if We can ditch the Kenny Payne experiment? The Fans have seen enough after losing tonight to Chattanooga at home

Huggins back would be awesome

For his sake I don’t think he should coach a major job again. Huggins has a lot of issues that can’t be solved over a few months. Imo the high stress of a job like Louisville is a recipe for the same stuff happening again.

Regardless, Payne is looking like the worst of the worst when it comes to the “hire famous alum” coaching hires. Even Ewing had NIT and NCAA seasons.

(11-11-2023 10:23 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 03:14 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 10:26 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Any chance Jay Wright or Bob Huggins can step in here in Louisville if We can ditch the Kenny Payne experiment? The Fans have seen enough after losing tonight to Chattanooga at home

Huggins back would be awesome

For his sake I don’t think he should coach a major job again. Huggins has a lot of issues that can’t be solved over a few months. Imo the high stress of a job like Louisville is a recipe for the same stuff happening again.

Regardless, Payne is looking like the worst of the worst when it comes to the “hire famous alum” coaching hires. Even Ewing had NIT and NCAA seasons.

I agree on Huggs.

Among the worst such coaching hires was Clyde Drexler (an outstanding college and NBA player, as we all know) who returned to the University of Houston (his alma mater) and was 19-39 (.327) in two seasons (1998-2000).

Referenced elsewhere, but...

Western Carolina 71
Notre Dame 61

Vegas lines were not favoring ND by much (-4.5). They hit the total nearly spot on (141.5). So I guess Notre Dame won't be thrilling too many in the ACC this season?

(11-09-2023 08:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  SLU has a pretty solid coach in Travis Ford so I disagree.

Walking this one back, his teams have tended to blend into that fourth or fifth-best area in the conference. Twenty-win seasons he can do. He stole his only A10 bid, though. And this in a downward-trending A10. If you transplant his current/recent teams into the Big East, he's looking up to everyone else. Maybe WAY up. I don't disagree that if getting the invitation to join, they probably get better talent.

But this has always been my personal gripe about Saint Louis ever since them joining the A10. They, like others, including DePaul, haven't been the same since the original CUSA. Big time "buyer beware" vibes.

(11-11-2023 04:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 08:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  SLU has a pretty solid coach in Travis Ford so I disagree.

Walking this one back, his teams have tended to blend into that fourth or fifth-best area in the conference. Twenty-win seasons he can do. He stole his only A10 bid, though. And this in a downward-trending A10. If you transplant his current/recent teams into the Big East, he's looking up to everyone else. Maybe WAY up. I don't disagree that if getting the invitation to join, they probably get better talent.

But this has always been my personal gripe about Saint Louis ever since them joining the A10. They, like others, including DePaul, haven't been the same since the original CUSA. Big time "buyer beware" vibes.

This is totally not fact-checked and straight from memory: I remember their most formidable teams under Majerus (A10) and his immediate successor. I also remember that being the peak of the A10 with Xavier and Temple.

(11-11-2023 10:34 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 10:23 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 03:14 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 10:26 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Any chance Jay Wright or Bob Huggins can step in here in Louisville if We can ditch the Kenny Payne experiment? The Fans have seen enough after losing tonight to Chattanooga at home

Huggins back would be awesome

For his sake I don’t think he should coach a major job again. Huggins has a lot of issues that can’t be solved over a few months. Imo the high stress of a job like Louisville is a recipe for the same stuff happening again.

Regardless, Payne is looking like the worst of the worst when it comes to the “hire famous alum” coaching hires. Even Ewing had NIT and NCAA seasons.

I agree on Huggs.

Among the worst such coaching hires was Clyde Drexler (an outstanding college and NBA player, as we all know) who returned to the University of Houston (his alma mater) and was 19-39 (.327) in two seasons (1998-2000).

But 2-0 at Memphis.

(11-11-2023 04:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 04:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 08:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  SLU has a pretty solid coach in Travis Ford so I disagree.

Walking this one back, his teams have tended to blend into that fourth or fifth-best area in the conference. Twenty-win seasons he can do. He stole his only A10 bid, though. And this in a downward-trending A10. If you transplant his current/recent teams into the Big East, he's looking up to everyone else. Maybe WAY up. I don't disagree that if getting the invitation to join, they probably get better talent.

But this has always been my personal gripe about Saint Louis ever since them joining the A10. They, like others, including DePaul, haven't been the same since the original CUSA. Big time "buyer beware" vibes.

This is totally not fact-checked and straight from memory: I remember their most formidable teams under Majerus (A10) and his immediate successor. I also remember that being the peak of the A10 with Xavier and Temple.

True. There was the actual Majerus era (who only got a tournament bid once and only had two 20-win seasons), and then there was the post-Majerus ("Majerus' kids" era?) Crews run, where Crews finally achieved topping the conference at the A10's "peak," before then dropping off a cliff after 2013-14. Still, why the program can't seem to capture any consistency, I don't know. Maybe this is the year they run the show. A10 at a combined 21-4 so far...it already seems like a better season than last year in the non-conference.

(11-11-2023 05:12 PM)C2__ Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 10:34 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 10:23 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 03:14 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 10:26 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Any chance Jay Wright or Bob Huggins can step in here in Louisville if We can ditch the Kenny Payne experiment? The Fans have seen enough after losing tonight to Chattanooga at home

Huggins back would be awesome

For his sake I don’t think he should coach a major job again. Huggins has a lot of issues that can’t be solved over a few months. Imo the high stress of a job like Louisville is a recipe for the same stuff happening again.

Regardless, Payne is looking like the worst of the worst when it comes to the “hire famous alum” coaching hires. Even Ewing had NIT and NCAA seasons.

I agree on Huggs.

Among the worst such coaching hires was Clyde Drexler (an outstanding college and NBA player, as we all know) who returned to the University of Houston (his alma mater) and was 19-39 (.327) in two seasons (1998-2000).

But 2-0 at Memphis.

I recall that was the time — and horrendous it was for we Tiger fans — when the Memphis head coach was Tic Price and, after he got fired for inappropriate sexual behavior with a female student, interim coach Johnny Jones. So when Drexler faced one (or both) of those men and won, those would have been the only games during his two years at Houston in which he was more skilled and qualified than his coaching opponent.

(11-11-2023 04:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 04:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 08:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  SLU has a pretty solid coach in Travis Ford so I disagree.

Walking this one back, his teams have tended to blend into that fourth or fifth-best area in the conference. Twenty-win seasons he can do. He stole his only A10 bid, though. And this in a downward-trending A10. If you transplant his current/recent teams into the Big East, he's looking up to everyone else. Maybe WAY up. I don't disagree that if getting the invitation to join, they probably get better talent.

But this has always been my personal gripe about Saint Louis ever since them joining the A10. They, like others, including DePaul, haven't been the same since the original CUSA. Big time "buyer beware" vibes.

This is totally not fact-checked and straight from memory: I remember their most formidable teams under Majerus (A10) and his immediate successor. I also remember that being the peak of the A10 with Xavier and Temple.

The two things I will always remember about Rick Majerus when he did some broadcasting (2004-07): he always called Memphis "Memphis State" and he pronounced offense as "OH-fense."

I still think if Majerus had been healthy when the Big East split, SLU would have been invited to the Big East.

Holy Cross 68
Georgetown 67

Long Beach State 77
DePaul 73

(11-12-2023 12:18 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Holy Cross 68
Georgetown 67

Long Beach State 77
DePaul 73

Georgetown drops 30 spots tonight in Ken Pom. DePaul 14 spots.

(11-11-2023 08:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 04:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 04:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 08:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  SLU has a pretty solid coach in Travis Ford so I disagree.

Walking this one back, his teams have tended to blend into that fourth or fifth-best area in the conference. Twenty-win seasons he can do. He stole his only A10 bid, though. And this in a downward-trending A10. If you transplant his current/recent teams into the Big East, he's looking up to everyone else. Maybe WAY up. I don't disagree that if getting the invitation to join, they probably get better talent.

But this has always been my personal gripe about Saint Louis ever since them joining the A10. They, like others, including DePaul, haven't been the same since the original CUSA. Big time "buyer beware" vibes.

This is totally not fact-checked and straight from memory: I remember their most formidable teams under Majerus (A10) and his immediate successor. I also remember that being the peak of the A10 with Xavier and Temple.

The two things I will always remember about Rick Majerus when he did some broadcasting (2004-07): he always called Memphis "Memphis State" and he pronounced offense as "OH-fense."

Also, he wasn’t a big Gay guy.

(Props to anyone who remembers this reference. Great 2000s humor.)

(11-12-2023 01:13 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 08:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 04:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 04:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 08:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  SLU has a pretty solid coach in Travis Ford so I disagree.

Walking this one back, his teams have tended to blend into that fourth or fifth-best area in the conference. Twenty-win seasons he can do. He stole his only A10 bid, though. And this in a downward-trending A10. If you transplant his current/recent teams into the Big East, he's looking up to everyone else. Maybe WAY up. I don't disagree that if getting the invitation to join, they probably get better talent.

But this has always been my personal gripe about Saint Louis ever since them joining the A10. They, like others, including DePaul, haven't been the same since the original CUSA. Big time "buyer beware" vibes.

This is totally not fact-checked and straight from memory: I remember their most formidable teams under Majerus (A10) and his immediate successor. I also remember that being the peak of the A10 with Xavier and Temple.

The two things I will always remember about Rick Majerus when he did some broadcasting (2004-07): he always called Memphis "Memphis State" and he pronounced offense as "OH-fense."

Also, he wasn’t a big Gay guy.

(Props to anyone who remembers this reference. Great 2000s humor.)

I'm not fully recalling but I think it might be related to the fact that Majerus never got married and never dated. He lived, a good bit, in hotels.

Correct?

(11-12-2023 12:50 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 12:18 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Holy Cross 68
Georgetown 67

Long Beach State 77
DePaul 73

Georgetown drops 30 spots tonight in Ken Pom. DePaul 14 spots.

GU now has a quality coach but it will take time to stabilize the program.

DePaul's situation could become a disaster very quickly.

UAB 66
Maryland 63

UMD flatlined duing a near-fifteen minute stretch, outscored 30-10.

The other two Big Ten teams playing today had troubles, too. Both Rutgers and Indiana were nearly neck-and-neck with under five minutes left before putting opponents away.

Weber St 61
#23 St Mary's 57

(11-12-2023 09:34 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  UAB 66
Maryland 63

UMD flatlined duing a near-fifteen minute stretch, outscored 30-10.

The other two Big Ten teams playing today had troubles, too. Both Rutgers and Indiana were nearly neck-and-neck with under five minutes left before putting opponents away.

Indiana struggled with Army (which is now 0-3). I watched the last 10 minutes or so of the second half. The Hoosiers have issues.