(10-29-2023 01:02 PM)esayem Wrote:  I busted out a map, and yeah, the Linc is not a bad off-campus location at all. Maybe 20 minutes? Looks like Subaru Park is about double that.

The three major venues there in South Philly also have better access by public transit, so urbanites and suburbanites can converge more easily. Subaru Park, to its credit, is also not bad geographically, but, it’s not nearly as accessible as the Linc.

The other part to Subaru Park is that it would need enhancements for football. This was a component to any prospects of Subaru Park (then PPL Park) serving as the host site for Villanova football. I think it had needed at least 5-10K extra seating to realistically take on “respectable” FBS football. But, I’d suspect it would all but gut the feel Union soccer has to it now. IIRC, there was talk at Villanova about the kind of money needed to help with football enhancements with PPL, something like $20-30m neighborhood. So, even if Temple did want to do business out there in Chester, it’s going to cost them.

I have been to the Temple campus several times, but not in the last dozen years or so. The adjacent neighborhoods are not considered safe for pedestrian visitors. Even driving by or through some of those streets are discomforting, particularly for people who are not familiar with the surroundings. A stadium and the necessary parking facilities close to those neighborhoods will have traveling sports fans unwilling to take the safety risks.

In my opinion, the Ambler location would be a benefit to cultivation the local residents of Montgomery and Bucks Counties to see FBS football in a HS FB rich set of counties, and outreach to the Lehigh Valley would be quite feasible. It may diminish alum attendance for those living in S Jersey, Philly, and Delaware County to some extent, but I think the location has positives. Student attendance is problematic even now at the Linc (they hang outside the stadium but don't go in). Whether the township would allow a stadium is a big question, and parking is another issue. Temple's larger problem is student and alumni apathy, which has to be addressed for a stadium to make any sense.

(10-29-2023 08:47 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  In my opinion, the Ambler location would be a benefit to cultivation the local residents of Montgomery and Bucks Counties to see FBS football in a HS FB rich set of counties, and outreach to the Lehigh Valley would be quite feasible. It may diminish alum attendance for those living in S Jersey, Philly, and Delaware County to some extent, but I think the location has positives.

I feel the same way. And that region of northern/central Montgomery and Bucks Counties, and the Lehigh Valley are growing. The old farms and open tracts/lots are converting into developments. That's the region where I'm from, and it's nearing nothing like it was when I was growing up. Especially on the Montgomery County side from North Penn School District to the north and west.

(10-29-2023 07:45 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I have been to the Temple campus several times, but not in the last dozen years or so. The adjacent neighborhoods are not considered safe for pedestrian visitors. Even driving by or through some of those streets are discomforting, particularly for people who are not familiar with the surroundings. A stadium and the necessary parking facilities close to those neighborhoods will have traveling sports fans unwilling to take the safety risks.

I'll be on campus this weekend - my 4th visit in the past 12 months. I will once again walk on campus and the immediately surrounding areas knowing that I am just as much at risk there as I am in any other major city in America.

(10-31-2023 08:16 AM)BeatNavy Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 07:45 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I have been to the Temple campus several times, but not in the last dozen years or so. The adjacent neighborhoods are not considered safe for pedestrian visitors. Even driving by or through some of those streets are discomforting, particularly for people who are not familiar with the surroundings. A stadium and the necessary parking facilities close to those neighborhoods will have traveling sports fans unwilling to take the safety risks.

I'll be on campus this weekend - my 4th visit in the past 12 months. I will once again walk on campus and the immediately surrounding areas knowing that I am just as much at risk there as I am in any other major city in America.

We did a campus tour with our youngest. I was impressed with how much better the direct surrounding neighborhood looked compared to the 1980s/90s when I was in college. Still 2 homicides in 12 months. 1 a student directly off campus during day light, the other a Temple cop on campus, was more than enough to disqualify Temple from the college list. Incidentally, on the day of our tour, we came off of I-95 turned right and saw a shopping cart with a foot sticking out of it. Assume this was an OD death. I am retired now and unarmed, so I wasn't stopping to investigate. Small wonder why enrollment is significantly down over the last several years.

A Temple student is more likely to get hit by lightning twice in their four years than to become a random murder victim. You're many, many times more likely to die commuting to Temple than you are as a result of random violence on campus. Temple is no less safe than any other school, and the numbers prove that.

Violent crime happens, and it's tragic when it does. It's a sad fact of life. I remember when that student was killed on Park Ave a few years ago. But it happens all the time & on all kinds of college campuses. When it happens at a place like Temple or Penn or La Salle or Columbia, it's because the neighborhood is bad. When it happens at Texas or Purdue or Charlotte or somewhere else, it's an unfortunate one-off tragedy.

Temple is perfectly safe for students. I've never known a single person myself who had any issues with personal safety on campus. Of course things happen like they do everywhere (as Rutgers people commenting here should know all too well), but it's uncommon. If you're just scared of poor black neighborhoods, confront your bias.

I'm sure whoever isn't letting their kids go to Temple certainly aren't letting them go to Michigan, Ohio State or Berkeley either, right?

https://www.degreechoices.com/blog/most-...-campuses/

(10-31-2023 05:51 PM)thecoffeecake Wrote:  A Temple student is more likely to get hit by lightning twice in their four years than to become a random murder victim. You're many, many times more likely to die commuting to Temple than you are as a result of random violence on campus. Temple is no less safe than any other school, and the numbers prove that.

Violent crime happens, and it's tragic when it does. It's a sad fact of life. I remember when that student was killed on Park Ave a few years ago. But it happens all the time & on all kinds of college campuses. When it happens at a place like Temple or Penn or La Salle or Columbia, it's because the neighborhood is bad. When it happens at Texas or Purdue or Charlotte or somewhere else, it's an unfortunate one-off tragedy.

Temple is perfectly safe for students. I've never known a single person myself who had any issues with personal safety on campus. Of course things happen like they do everywhere (as Rutgers people commenting here should know all too well), but it's uncommon. If you're just scared of poor black neighborhoods, confront your bias.

I'm sure whoever isn't letting their kids go to Temple certainly aren't letting them go to Michigan, Ohio State or Berkeley either, right?

https://www.degreechoices.com/blog/most-...-campuses/

So show the news reports on students getting hit by lightning or killed while commuting to prove your point. Incidentally, I know how unified crime reports get manipulated. The student homicide happened just off campus. Therefore it does not go down on Temple's stats, it goes down on the City's. The same is true for the B&E's to autos. Parked on a city street, that's off campus, so goes on city stats.

As for your bias comment, I grew up in Newark, NJ. I lived on the Rev. Dr. M.L. King Blvd. for four years while going to RU-N. Oh, and I was a cop there for half my career. I fear no race, no hood. What I am is protective of my family. I want my kids to have better life experiences than me. So yes a cop murder on campus was a disqualifier.

You are the Temple Alumni, without mentioning crime or the surrounding neighborhood, you explain why enrollment is down so much. I guess you could go with academic scandals, poor executive leadership or ****** merit aid packages. All of which are other problems Temple has had in the last few years.

Oh, and as for an on campus stadium goes, I don't think you need one. Start winning games and the fans will come. Temple had a some good runs under Golden/Addazio/Rhule. Find a coach that can win and then keep him and the tickets will sell themselves.

(10-31-2023 08:16 AM)BeatNavy Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 07:45 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I have been to the Temple campus several times, but not in the last dozen years or so. The adjacent neighborhoods are not considered safe for pedestrian visitors. Even driving by or through some of those streets are discomforting, particularly for people who are not familiar with the surroundings. A stadium and the necessary parking facilities close to those neighborhoods will have traveling sports fans unwilling to take the safety risks.

I'll be on campus this weekend - my 4th visit in the past 12 months. I will once again walk on campus and the immediately surrounding areas knowing that I am just as much at risk there as I am in any other major city in America.

Sir, you are a brave man, and I do admire your bravery!! However, I can definitely see Odinfrigg's point, plus I can see mothers & fathers both being hesitant to take their children to a stadium in a questionable area of the city.

I saw on NBC10 this morning that some Temple students were robbed at gunpoint last night around campus. Instantly thought about the post a few up and Temple’s “safety.”

FWIW, ten years ago, I might have felt the Temple area and Philly in general were fine and safe enough to consistently be around. Some pockets safer than others. Back then, it was like we looked at Camden and shook our heads. Now? A new mayor and better leadership couldn’t come soon enough. It’s not good. And if it isn’t the violent crimes, it’s feeling like I have to keep my eyes to the ground as to not step on a syringe or something when I’m in town.

A change in leadership that could lend to lower crime rates across the city, but especially around Temple, would be great. But, I think the perception and reputation that area holds with respect to safety, due or undue, will always hang over any big project there. It’s the kind of project that can’t win no matter the location. If it isn’t infrastructure, access, and safety on/by campus, it’s “fit” (like using a much too big pro stadium), distance, infrastructure, and access anywhere else.

(10-31-2023 08:32 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 05:51 PM)thecoffeecake Wrote:  A Temple student is more likely to get hit by lightning twice in their four years than to become a random murder victim. You're many, many times more likely to die commuting to Temple than you are as a result of random violence on campus. Temple is no less safe than any other school, and the numbers prove that.

Violent crime happens, and it's tragic when it does. It's a sad fact of life. I remember when that student was killed on Park Ave a few years ago. But it happens all the time & on all kinds of college campuses. When it happens at a place like Temple or Penn or La Salle or Columbia, it's because the neighborhood is bad. When it happens at Texas or Purdue or Charlotte or somewhere else, it's an unfortunate one-off tragedy.

Temple is perfectly safe for students. I've never known a single person myself who had any issues with personal safety on campus. Of course things happen like they do everywhere (as Rutgers people commenting here should know all too well), but it's uncommon. If you're just scared of poor black neighborhoods, confront your bias.

I'm sure whoever isn't letting their kids go to Temple certainly aren't letting them go to Michigan, Ohio State or Berkeley either, right?

https://www.degreechoices.com/blog/most-...-campuses/

So show the news reports on students getting hit by lightning or killed while commuting to prove your point. Incidentally, I know how unified crime reports get manipulated. The student homicide happened just off campus. Therefore it does not go down on Temple's stats, it goes down on the City's. The same is true for the B&E's to autos. Parked on a city street, that's off campus, so goes on city stats.

As for your bias comment, I grew up in Newark, NJ. I lived on the Rev. Dr. M.L. King Blvd. for four years while going to RU-N. Oh, and I was a cop there for half my career. I fear no race, no hood. What I am is protective of my family. I want my kids to have better life experiences than me. So yes a cop murder on campus was a disqualifier.

You are the Temple Alumni, without mentioning crime or the surrounding neighborhood, you explain why enrollment is down so much. I guess you could go with academic scandals, poor executive leadership or ****** merit aid packages. All of which are other problems Temple has had in the last few years.

Oh, and as for an on campus stadium goes, I don't think you need one. Start winning games and the fans will come. Temple had a some good runs under Golden/Addazio/Rhule. Find a coach that can win and then keep him and the tickets will sell themselves.

Sorry to interrupt the Rutgers-Temple spat, but the murderer was white anyway

(11-01-2023 06:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 08:32 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 05:51 PM)thecoffeecake Wrote:  A Temple student is more likely to get hit by lightning twice in their four years than to become a random murder victim. You're many, many times more likely to die commuting to Temple than you are as a result of random violence on campus. Temple is no less safe than any other school, and the numbers prove that.

Violent crime happens, and it's tragic when it does. It's a sad fact of life. I remember when that student was killed on Park Ave a few years ago. But it happens all the time & on all kinds of college campuses. When it happens at a place like Temple or Penn or La Salle or Columbia, it's because the neighborhood is bad. When it happens at Texas or Purdue or Charlotte or somewhere else, it's an unfortunate one-off tragedy.

Temple is perfectly safe for students. I've never known a single person myself who had any issues with personal safety on campus. Of course things happen like they do everywhere (as Rutgers people commenting here should know all too well), but it's uncommon. If you're just scared of poor black neighborhoods, confront your bias.

I'm sure whoever isn't letting their kids go to Temple certainly aren't letting them go to Michigan, Ohio State or Berkeley either, right?

https://www.degreechoices.com/blog/most-...-campuses/

So show the news reports on students getting hit by lightning or killed while commuting to prove your point. Incidentally, I know how unified crime reports get manipulated. The student homicide happened just off campus. Therefore it does not go down on Temple's stats, it goes down on the City's. The same is true for the B&E's to autos. Parked on a city street, that's off campus, so goes on city stats.

As for your bias comment, I grew up in Newark, NJ. I lived on the Rev. Dr. M.L. King Blvd. for four years while going to RU-N. Oh, and I was a cop there for half my career. I fear no race, no hood. What I am is protective of my family. I want my kids to have better life experiences than me. So yes a cop murder on campus was a disqualifier.

You are the Temple Alumni, without mentioning crime or the surrounding neighborhood, you explain why enrollment is down so much. I guess you could go with academic scandals, poor executive leadership or ****** merit aid packages. All of which are other problems Temple has had in the last few years.

Oh, and as for an on campus stadium goes, I don't think you need one. Start winning games and the fans will come. Temple had a some good runs under Golden/Addazio/Rhule. Find a coach that can win and then keep him and the tickets will sell themselves.

Sorry to interrupt the Rutgers-Temple spat, but the murderer was white anyway

So again, this has nothing to do with race. Although I was accused of being biased and afraid of poor black people. It has to do with the safety of the campus and surrounding area. Murder of a cop on campus is a red line. some other incidents at other colleges, shooting at a frat or dorm party, violence directed at protected populations, riots over a speaker, administration cover-up of a sex offender, hazing kids to death, were all disqualifies.

(11-01-2023 06:49 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 06:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 08:32 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 05:51 PM)thecoffeecake Wrote:  A Temple student is more likely to get hit by lightning twice in their four years than to become a random murder victim. You're many, many times more likely to die commuting to Temple than you are as a result of random violence on campus. Temple is no less safe than any other school, and the numbers prove that.

Violent crime happens, and it's tragic when it does. It's a sad fact of life. I remember when that student was killed on Park Ave a few years ago. But it happens all the time & on all kinds of college campuses. When it happens at a place like Temple or Penn or La Salle or Columbia, it's because the neighborhood is bad. When it happens at Texas or Purdue or Charlotte or somewhere else, it's an unfortunate one-off tragedy.

Temple is perfectly safe for students. I've never known a single person myself who had any issues with personal safety on campus. Of course things happen like they do everywhere (as Rutgers people commenting here should know all too well), but it's uncommon. If you're just scared of poor black neighborhoods, confront your bias.

I'm sure whoever isn't letting their kids go to Temple certainly aren't letting them go to Michigan, Ohio State or Berkeley either, right?

https://www.degreechoices.com/blog/most-...-campuses/

So show the news reports on students getting hit by lightning or killed while commuting to prove your point. Incidentally, I know how unified crime reports get manipulated. The student homicide happened just off campus. Therefore it does not go down on Temple's stats, it goes down on the City's. The same is true for the B&E's to autos. Parked on a city street, that's off campus, so goes on city stats.

As for your bias comment, I grew up in Newark, NJ. I lived on the Rev. Dr. M.L. King Blvd. for four years while going to RU-N. Oh, and I was a cop there for half my career. I fear no race, no hood. What I am is protective of my family. I want my kids to have better life experiences than me. So yes a cop murder on campus was a disqualifier.

You are the Temple Alumni, without mentioning crime or the surrounding neighborhood, you explain why enrollment is down so much. I guess you could go with academic scandals, poor executive leadership or ****** merit aid packages. All of which are other problems Temple has had in the last few years.

Oh, and as for an on campus stadium goes, I don't think you need one. Start winning games and the fans will come. Temple had a some good runs under Golden/Addazio/Rhule. Find a coach that can win and then keep him and the tickets will sell themselves.

Sorry to interrupt the Rutgers-Temple spat, but the murderer was white anyway

So again, this has nothing to do with race. Although I was accused of being biased and afraid of poor black people. It has to do with the safety of the campus and surrounding area. Murder of a cop on campus is a red line. some other incidents at other colleges, shooting at a frat or dorm party, violence directed at protected populations, riots over a speaker, administration cover-up of a sex offender, hazing kids to death, were all disqualifies.

Yeah that was my point

The Temple Police Officer was killed off-campus -- just a little bit off-campus, but still, off-campus -- by a robbery suspect who lived in the suburbs. The murderer then went on to commit a carjacking.

Perhaps the young man who came in to the city to commit this crime is the problem here, not the neighborhood.

(10-31-2023 08:32 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  So show the news reports on students getting hit by lightning or killed while commuting to prove your point.

Ratings aren't exactly driven by that kind of coverage, are they?

Besides, proving "A Temple student is more likely to get hit by lightning twice in their four years than to become a random murder victim" does not require any news coverage at all.

(11-02-2023 10:14 AM)BeatNavy Wrote:  The Temple Police Officer was killed off-campus -- just a little bit off-campus, but still, off-campus -- by a robbery suspect who lived in the suburbs. The murderer then went on to commit a carjacking.

Perhaps the young man who came in to the city to commit this crime is the problem here, not the neighborhood.

The neighborhood is still a problem, but having the riff raff of the 1% coming near the Temple campus is all cause for alarm.