Here's some of the numbnuts who are not voting for Jordan.

Starting to make sense now?

(10-18-2023 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 01:34 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 01:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats what I said from the start. Hash it out behind closed doors. Lock em in conference and dont come out till they have someone with 217 votes. If they are in there for 24 or 48 hours---so be it.

I thought they did that to get to Jordan? Then when they came out for the official vote a number of Republicans changed their vote.

No. He never had 217. He just had a majority of Republicans (I think he had 155 to start) and got it up to 200. The fly in the ointment is all the votes in conference are by secret ballot. The thinking was to take it to the floor in order to expose who the hold outs were---and then they could work on seeing specifically what they would need to change their votes. I get it---but I still prefer my lock'em in conference until someone has 217 idea.

IMO, the fly in the ointment is there are going to be some, who for now, won't give their vote regardless of how many behind closed door meetings they have. Folks can say what they want about McCarthy thumbs up or down but some reps remain pissed because the Elite Eight sided with the DEMS to remove the speaker they SUPPORTED along with the overwhelming majority of the GOP. Several have publicly said as much. If Gaetz gets a pat on the back for voting this in play and getting what he wanted then you can't criticize others for voting what they want. The fallback position is trying to extend the powers of the acting Speaker so some basic governance can occur. Think about that...basic governance.

(10-18-2023 12:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm worried about the base that thinks this is good.

How anyone can find good in this mess is concerning and possibly explains much.

lol---Oh NOW your worried about the base. This my friend is what happens when you ignore the base. Its amazing to me how many people think that could just go on forever.

"The base" isnt stopping the Republicans from electing a Speaker. What you have a is a small group of so called "reasonable moderates" that are proving they are neither reasonable or moderate. At this point, I could care less who gets elect Speaker as this current crop of Republicans is incapable of accomplishing anything of note before 2024. At some point, we will get a Speaker---but its becoming clear it wont matter because too many so-called Republicans are perfectly willing to give the Democrats whatever they want. At least now we know exactly who they are.

Sorry. I sorta meant guys like you who wanted this. I was trying to be nice about it.

No well-stated policy agenda plus "leaders" who couldn't lead a sex addict to a whorehouse is how you end up where republicans are. They have to fix root causes first, before there is any solution to their problem.

22 Republicans who are allowing their ego to get in the way.

Electing one of the most distrusted and disliked members of your caucus to the speaker role doesn't seem like a forward thinking move. I have to think that some of the people that AC doesn't like is actually looking at the bigger picture when it comes to the party going forward.

(10-18-2023 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  No well-stated policy agenda plus "leaders" who couldn't lead a sex addict to a whorehouse is how you end up where republicans are. They have to fix root causes first, before there is any solution to their problem.

I agree with what you're saying, theoretically, but as Stink would say, they are so far away from that, they're nuts zongo.

They don't have the cajones to even be thinking about that right now. They're just a jumbled mess of different ideologies that aren't exactly Dems, or are hard-line conservatives.

I mean, they can't even figure out how to elect a speaker, so what good are they, period?

(10-18-2023 12:20 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 11:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:  This again. Been discussed ad nauseum nauseam
Pure reeeeeeeeeee
Blind link
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Your spell checker must be off LOL. You ding me rep because you're the post police now? I've not discussed Gaetz ad nauseam. Gaetz is a part of this thread topic pal. That article was written from a resident of Gaetz's district and is 28-year veteran of the U.S. Navy and Navy Reserve. He is pointing out the issues that Gaetz has created for himself including his House speaker game of thrones.

Yes. Goofball attny and 28 year govt employ article from the pensacola rag has no bearing.

So yeah. I didnt realize it was a police action neg rep a post. Do i get a badge.

I dont need no stinkin badge.

(10-18-2023 02:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  No well-stated policy agenda plus "leaders" who couldn't lead a sex addict to a whorehouse is how you end up where republicans are. They have to fix root causes first, before there is any solution to their problem.

I agree with what you're saying, theoretically, but as Stink would say, they are so far away from that, they're nuts zongo.
They don't have the cajones to even be thinking about that right now. They're just a jumbled mess of different ideologies that aren't exactly Dems, or are hard-line conservatives.
I mean, they can't even figure out how to elect a speaker, so what good are they, period?

Well, they got to nuts zongo from 20+ years of no agenda and no leadership. You try herding cats for 20 years and you're going to end up with some up in trees and some crawling around sewers and everything in between.

Left leaning rinos and their "concern" posts about the GOP

Let the process play out. Its healthy. Its how it works unless you are totally infoctrinated sieg heil the party zombies.

FFS

Frick the GOP but this is the first American ish thing theyve done in a while.

Maybe we will get a duel of at least fistcuffs.

Yall eat a steak and have a stiff drink. Suck your guts in.

Damn

(10-18-2023 02:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 02:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  No well-stated policy agenda plus "leaders" who couldn't lead a sex addict to a whorehouse is how you end up where republicans are. They have to fix root causes first, before there is any solution to their problem.

I agree with what you're saying, theoretically, but as Stink would say, they are so far away from that, they're nuts zongo.
They don't have the cajones to even be thinking about that right now. They're just a jumbled mess of different ideologies that aren't exactly Dems, or are hard-line conservatives.
I mean, they can't even figure out how to elect a speaker, so what good are they, period?

Well, they got to nuts zongo from 20+ years of no agenda and no leadership. You try herding cats for 20 years and you're going to end up with some up in trees and some crawling around sewers and everything in between.

Agree, but they're a far damn distance now from anything like what you want, and it's going to take years to recover, if ever.

IMO, they aren't smart enough to focus on that yet. Hell, look how they screwed up health care legislation when they had the chance.

What you want is absolute pie in the sky with this group or anything else they could cobble together as Repubs in the foreseeable future.

Let's get a Speaker and take baby damn steps, like all voting alike on easy sh!t, lol.

(10-18-2023 02:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 02:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 02:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  No well-stated policy agenda plus "leaders" who couldn't lead a sex addict to a whorehouse is how you end up where republicans are. They have to fix root causes first, before there is any solution to their problem.

I agree with what you're saying, theoretically, but as Stink would say, they are so far away from that, they're nuts zongo.
They don't have the cajones to even be thinking about that right now. They're just a jumbled mess of different ideologies that aren't exactly Dems, or are hard-line conservatives.
I mean, they can't even figure out how to elect a speaker, so what good are they, period?

Well, they got to nuts zongo from 20+ years of no agenda and no leadership. You try herding cats for 20 years and you're going to end up with some up in trees and some crawling around sewers and everything in between.

Agree, but they're a far damn distance now from anything like what you want, and it's going to take years to recover, if ever.

IMO, they aren't smart enough to focus on that yet. Hell, look how they screwed up health care legislation when they had the chance.

What you want is absolute pie in the sky with this group or anything else they could cobble together as Repubs in the foreseeable future.

Let's get a Speaker and take baby damn steps, like all voting alike on easy sh!t, lol.

Seriously. What is the rush. Let it play out. This is much ado over nothing

(10-18-2023 01:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 01:13 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  After 800-plus posts, I have a nagging sense that I am supposed to feel upset by this embarrassing mess. I don't, and presume it is because I am overlooking something awful that will befall our nation as a result of the Republican House members looking like the fools that we all knew them to be.
I don't see anything good about this situation. But I am having trouble seeing much bad about it either. What am I missing?

The bad is the lack of a policy agenda or competent leadership in the republican party for the last 20 years or so. This is just the inevitable end result of that.

The bad is also showing the voters that the GOP can't govern. Even if you vote for GOP candidates and get majorities...they'll never get anything done so why bother?

(10-18-2023 01:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 12:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 12:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm worried about the base that thinks this is good.

How anyone can find good in this mess is concerning and possibly explains much.

lol---Oh NOW your worried about the base. This my friend is what happens when you ignore the base. Its amazing to me how many people think that could just go on forever.

"The base" isnt stopping the Republicans from electing a Speaker. What you have a is a small group of so called "reasonable moderates" that are proving they are neither reasonable or moderate. At this point, I could care less who gets elect Speaker as this current crop of Republicans is incapable of accomplishing anything of note before 2024. At some point, we will get a Speaker---but its becoming clear it wont matter because too many so-called Republicans are perfectly willing to give the Democrats whatever they want.

The "base" IS moderately conservative, not the far right.

I don't know how y'all cheer on Gaetz and condemn people who don't give a minority their way. Its really hilarious.

I thought Jordan would eventually get those people, but its clear he's not good speaker material. The 3 New Yorkers voted against him again. Those 3 were pretty easy to flip. Just don't stand in the way of the funding for the 911 victims. But he couldn't. He lost 4 votes and only gained 2 (plus someone who was absent). So instead of 200 for and 20 other, its 199 for and 22 other.

Isnt that EXACTLY what is happening now? The base IS MAGA---at least thats what 58% of the primary voters would seem to indicate. So---by all means---lets continue to ignore that 58% because its working really well to unite the party.

Look, the Republicans will eventually get pressured into electing a speaker---maybe its Jordan---maybe its someone else. I remain confident they will eventually elect a Republican Speaker. Ive just lost any optimism that this group of Republicans can pass anything the 58% will care about. At least if they have Jordan as Speaker----the goal will be something the base can rally behind rather than the "more of the same" Speaker McCarthy seemed intent on serving up.

Biggest issue is not worrying about the GOP voters but it's the independents and centrist voters who carry GOP or Dem labels. That's always been the issue and it doesn't matter if the majority of the GOP are "Trump Republicans". What matters is being able to govern. Non-ideologically driven voters will not vote for a party who has gridlock within its own ranks. They can understand Dems and GOP butting heads, but not GOP vs GOP butting heads and bringing the House to a standstill.

Gaetz pops off and accomplishes his "coup". Now that he "won", there's no plan for the next steps.

(10-18-2023 02:11 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Yes. Goofball attny and 28 year govt employ article from the pensacola rag has no bearing.

So yeah. I didnt realize it was a police action neg rep a post. Do i get a badge.

I dont need no stinkin badge.

I could care less about a badge. How about offering something of substance other than a stupid word "reeeeeeeee" and a gif? That article represents someone's opinion and it has bearing despite the fact you disagree. Carry-on...

(10-18-2023 03:04 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 02:11 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Yes. Goofball attny and 28 year govt employ article from the pensacola rag has no bearing.

So yeah. I didnt realize it was a police action neg rep a post. Do i get a badge.

I dont need no stinkin badge.

I could care less about a badge. How about offering something of substance other than a stupid word "reeeeeeeee" and a gif? That article represents someone's opinion and it has bearing despite the fact you disagree. Carry-on...

Waste of time. If you dont get by now im not holding your hand.

Your post got what was warranted.
Do better

(10-18-2023 03:11 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 03:04 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 02:11 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Yes. Goofball attny and 28 year govt employ article from the pensacola rag has no bearing.

So yeah. I didnt realize it was a police action neg rep a post. Do i get a badge.

I dont need no stinkin badge.

I could care less about a badge. How about offering something of substance other than a stupid word "reeeeeeeee" and a gif? That article represents someone's opinion and it has bearing despite the fact you disagree. Carry-on...

Waste of time. If you dont get by now im not holding your hand.

Your post got what was warranted.
Do better

Nah, could care less. Keep that mirror handy pal...

(10-18-2023 01:44 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Here's some of the numbnuts who are not voting for Jordan.

Starting to make sense now?

bwahahaha…

that’s, well, yep, what happens in certain area codes…

Hatfield vs. McCoy … Florida man style…

So, McCarthy went through 15 rounds of voting and no one wanted him to step down and allow someone else to be nominated, because "By God it was his to have". Now after two rounds of voting Republicans are wanting Jordan to step down. That alone tells you what is going on. Republicans rule by a Caste System instead of for their constituents and this is exposing it. How bout vote the guy in and get what McCarthy said he would get done (Mayorkas impeached, for example) and then work on new business. There is still the majority of this Congress left to serve. Moderates, my backside.

(10-18-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 12:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm worried about the base that thinks this is good.

How anyone can find good in this mess is concerning and possibly explains much.

lol---Oh NOW your worried about the base. This my friend is what happens when you ignore the base. Its amazing to me how many people think that could just go on forever.

"The base" isnt stopping the Republicans from electing a Speaker. What you have a is a small group of so called "reasonable moderates" that are proving they are neither reasonable or moderate. At this point, I could care less who gets elect Speaker as this current crop of Republicans is incapable of accomplishing anything of note before 2024. At some point, we will get a Speaker---but its becoming clear it wont matter because too many so-called Republicans are perfectly willing to give the Democrats whatever they want. At least now we know exactly who they are.

Sorry. I sorta meant guys like you who wanted this. I was trying to be nice about it.

lol---and I appreciate that.