*snicker*

(10-04-2023 10:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:41 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:56 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:45 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:07 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Complicated issue, but this is about as good a summation as anyone can offer. Well done, banker. +3.

And well done in the final measure also to former Speaker McCarthy. When faced with his own obvious failure to deliver on the terms he promised, he did the right thing and announced that he was stepping aside. In other words, he accepted personal responsibility for his own missteps and subordinated his personal feelings about Matt Gaetz and others who had come after him personally. He in the end understands that the interests of the nation are much bigger and more important than him. Good for former Speaker McCarthy.

If only the Trumplets would likewise realize that this works both ways. And whatever personal dismay they may have regarding the undeniable mistreatment of their demigod is far less important then what is in the best interests of the nation. That, of course, won’t happen. Personal responsibility and integrity is only for the other chumps, in the view of the M.O.B. Brigade.

And now let the requisite “Reeee” and “TDS” wailing begin.

Wait, what? Am I missing something? He was voted out, he didn't step aside.

Article: "After vote to unseat him, Kevin McCarthy says he will not run again for House speaker". - - Link: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2023/10/...696347771/


Votes have consequences. For some, at least.

Semantics I guess.

You didnt miss anything and its not semantics. He was voted out. He's not stepping aside. He was voted out, and wont try to get back in.

This is like not doing what your boss told you to do and you get fired, and you decide not to reapply for the job. You didnt step aside, you got sh*tcanned.

Much like what happened on a national scale in 2020.

Do you honestly not see the straight-line analogy being drawn - - and which you just highlighted in orange - - UMsU? Or are the Trumplet blinders truly that impervious?

(10-04-2023 10:42 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:34 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I'd vote for Mark Levin to be the new Speaker of the House.

Nah. His whining and hand wringing over the loss of McCarthy as Speaker has really made me rethink who he is. Same with Newt. Until a few days ago I would have been fully on board with making either Speaker—-now it’s clear McCarthy was their “guy” I don’t think I would want either in a leadership role today. There are over 200 House Republican’s to choose from—or make Trump Speaker. It wound be pretty interesting to have Trump investigating the DOJ and Biden.

I'm with you Attack. For someone who "promoted" Liberty over party for so long, Levin's 180 degree turn h as surprised the hell out of me.

Hannity I expect this from.

Tucker, not a chance he'll side with the GOP-mainstreamers.

Anyway, so far, i've heard Marjorie is going to push for Trump.
Someone else said Jim Jordan will be a possibility.
And then Byron Daniels(?) Florida guy who was suggested the first time around as the counter to McCarthy on the first run.

(10-04-2023 12:13 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:41 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:56 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:45 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Wait, what? Am I missing something? He was voted out, he didn't step aside.

Article: "After vote to unseat him, Kevin McCarthy says he will not run again for House speaker". - - Link: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2023/10/...696347771/


Votes have consequences. For some, at least.

Semantics I guess.

You didnt miss anything and its not semantics. He was voted out. He's not stepping aside. He was voted out, and wont try to get back in.

This is like not doing what your boss told you to do and you get fired, and you decide not to reapply for the job. You didnt step aside, you got sh*tcanned.

Much like what happened on a national scale in 2020.

Do you honestly not see the straight-line analogy being drawn - - and which you just highlighted in orange - - UMsU? Or are the Trumplet blinders truly that impervious?

Sorry, all I hear is REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like Emmer and think everyone would agree on him. I want someone who doesn't want the job.

(10-04-2023 12:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 12:13 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Much like what happened on a national scale in 2020.

Do you honestly not see the straight-line analogy being drawn - - and which you just highlighted in orange - - UMsU? Or are the Trumplet blinders truly that impervious?

Sorry, all I hear is REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I heard it too!

(10-04-2023 11:58 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 12:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Anyway, so far, i've heard Marjorie is going to push for Trump.
Someone else said Jim Jordan will be a possibility.
And then Byron Daniels(?) Florida guy who was suggested the first time around as the counter to McCarthy on the first run.

Byron Lowell Donalds would be great:
if Former-Vice-prezdon't-Biden* and idiot accomplice-in-crime Camela were ousted,
Byron Donalds would become our republic's First Black President!
That would be a victory for all!

(10-04-2023 12:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:42 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:34 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I'd vote for Mark Levin to be the new Speaker of the House.

Nah. His whining and hand wringing over the loss of McCarthy as Speaker has really made me rethink who he is. Same with Newt. Until a few days ago I would have been fully on board with making either Speaker—-now it’s clear McCarthy was their “guy” I don’t think I would want either in a leadership role today. There are over 200 House Republican’s to choose from—or make Trump Speaker. It wound be pretty interesting to have Trump investigating the DOJ and Biden.

I'm with you Attack. For someone who "promoted" Liberty over party for so long, Levin's 180 degree turn h as surprised the hell out of me.

Hannity I expect this from.

Tucker, not a chance he'll side with the GOP-mainstreamers.

Anyway, so far, i've heard Marjorie is going to push for Trump.
Someone else said Jim Jordan will be a possibility.
And then Byron Daniels(?) Florida guy who was suggested the first time around as the counter to McCarthy on the first run.

Byron Donalds

(10-04-2023 12:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:42 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:34 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I'd vote for Mark Levin to be the new Speaker of the House.

Nah. His whining and hand wringing over the loss of McCarthy as Speaker has really made me rethink who he is. Same with Newt. Until a few days ago I would have been fully on board with making either Speaker—-now it’s clear McCarthy was their “guy” I don’t think I would want either in a leadership role today. There are over 200 House Republican’s to choose from—or make Trump Speaker. It wound be pretty interesting to have Trump investigating the DOJ and Biden.

I'm with you Attack. For someone who "promoted" Liberty over party for so long, Levin's 180 degree turn h as surprised the hell out of me.

Hannity I expect this from.

Tucker, not a chance he'll side with the GOP-mainstreamers.

Anyway, so far, i've heard Marjorie is going to push for Trump.
Someone else said Jim Jordan will be a possibility.
And then Byron Daniels(?) Florida guy who was suggested the first time around as the counter to McCarthy on the first run.

I like Jim Jordan as well. Im suspect they will end up picking someone far more bland as Speaker---but to me the key is to fulfill your promises to the group of 10 and let the energized portion of the Party take their swings by putting their bills on the floor as well.

(10-04-2023 12:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:42 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:34 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I'd vote for Mark Levin to be the new Speaker of the House.

Nah. His whining and hand wringing over the loss of McCarthy as Speaker has really made me rethink who he is. Same with Newt. Until a few days ago I would have been fully on board with making either Speaker—-now it’s clear McCarthy was their “guy” I don’t think I would want either in a leadership role today. There are over 200 House Republican’s to choose from—or make Trump Speaker. It wound be pretty interesting to have Trump investigating the DOJ and Biden.

I'm with you Attack. For someone who "promoted" Liberty over party for so long, Levin's 180 degree turn h as surprised the hell out of me.

Hannity I expect this from.

Tucker, not a chance he'll side with the GOP-mainstreamers.

Anyway, so far, i've heard Marjorie is going to push for Trump.
Someone else said Jim Jordan will be a possibility.
And then Byron Daniels(?) Florida guy who was suggested the first time around as the counter to McCarthy on the first run.

Newt was kind of stepping in it back when McCarthy was originally going through the votes in January. I was like, "whats the big deal, let the process play out like it needs to."

But this time makes no sense. Basically, Gaetz is saying (correctly) that McCarthy wont follow the rules of normal procedure like what Newt himself did.

I would have had a minutia of sympathy for McCarthy had he not sent the house on a 6 week vacation and come back just two weeks prior to the shutdown. If he had busted his ass every day of every week through the summer, he would have ended up with a decent deal. Instead, he ensures nothing gets done until its too late to get done, then Newt and the group are like "well, he cant just pass stuff without enough votes." Thats bullsh*T. You cant pass stuff with enough votes if you dont even have floor debates on the stuff.

Also, Newt is saying "we have an election next year, and we dont need to be doing this at this time!" Well, a reminder for Newt. There's only about 45days in a 2 year cycle for the house where the election isnt "next year or sooner". So that argument is stupid.

(10-04-2023 12:28 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 12:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Anyway, so far, i've heard Marjorie is going to push for Trump.
Someone else said Jim Jordan will be a possibility.
And then Byron Daniels(?) Florida guy who was suggested the first time around as the counter to McCarthy on the first run.

Byron Lowell Donalds would be great:
if Former-Vice-prezdon't-Biden* and idiot accomplice-in-crime Camela were ousted,
Byron Donalds would become our republic's First Black President!
That would be a victory for all!

I see what you did there.

But isn't Donalds the new black face of white supremacy? Plus he has Donald in his name as in Donald Trump and therefore is evil.

(10-04-2023 12:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 12:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:42 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:34 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I'd vote for Mark Levin to be the new Speaker of the House.

Nah. His whining and hand wringing over the loss of McCarthy as Speaker has really made me rethink who he is. Same with Newt. Until a few days ago I would have been fully on board with making either Speaker—-now it’s clear McCarthy was their “guy” I don’t think I would want either in a leadership role today. There are over 200 House Republican’s to choose from—or make Trump Speaker. It wound be pretty interesting to have Trump investigating the DOJ and Biden.

I'm with you Attack. For someone who "promoted" Liberty over party for so long, Levin's 180 degree turn h as surprised the hell out of me.

Hannity I expect this from.

Tucker, not a chance he'll side with the GOP-mainstreamers.

Anyway, so far, i've heard Marjorie is going to push for Trump.
Someone else said Jim Jordan will be a possibility.
And then Byron Daniels(?) Florida guy who was suggested the first time around as the counter to McCarthy on the first run.

Newt was kind of stepping in it back when McCarthy was originally going through the votes in January. I was like, "whats the big deal, let the process play out like it needs to."

But this time makes no sense. Basically, Gaetz is saying (correctly) that McCarthy wont follow the rules of normal procedure like what Newt himself did.

I would have had a minutia of sympathy for McCarthy had he not sent the house on a 6 week vacation and come back just two weeks prior to the shutdown. If he had busted his ass every day of every week through the summer, he would have ended up with a decent deal. Instead, he ensures nothing gets done until its too late to get done, then Newt and the group are like "well, he cant just pass stuff without enough votes." Thats bullsh*T. You cant pass stuff with enough votes if you dont even have floor debates on the stuff.

Also, Newt is saying "we have an election next year, and we dont need to be doing this at this time!" Well, a reminder for Newt. There's only about 45days in a 2 year cycle for the house where the election isnt "next year or sooner". So that argument is stupid.

Like I said---the hand wringing over this is just bizarre. Frankly, the process in January was short circuited by very viable options being unwilling to undermine McCarthy's opportunity to be Speaker after raising money for the 2022 cycle elections. Instead, we watched vote after vote when it was CLEAR that McCarthy was NOT acceptable to a majority. Despite all these votes failing time and time again---none of the viable options was willing to step forward to give the majority a better option. Finally, McCarthy signed an agreement to do things he never had any intention of doing just to get the votes needed to win a majority. The McCarthy election to Speaker was a fiasco from the start that never had any real chance of working because McCarthy never had any intention of fulfilling his promises to the Gaetz group.

Look---McCarthy did a good job of raising money---but its not like that automatically makes him a good Speaker. At any rate, with McCarthy gone----all those other viable options no longer need have any reservations about serving as Speaker. Im sure the Republicans will find someone that is a better option and I suspect it wont take all that long.

(10-04-2023 12:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  ... they will end up picking someone far more bland as Speaker ...

Bow-tie-guy threw down some mean hammer last night. I call that a solid self-nomination!

(10-04-2023 12:13 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:41 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:56 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:45 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Wait, what? Am I missing something? He was voted out, he didn't step aside.

Article: "After vote to unseat him, Kevin McCarthy says he will not run again for House speaker". - - Link: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2023/10/...696347771/


Votes have consequences. For some, at least.

Semantics I guess.

You didnt miss anything and its not semantics. He was voted out. He's not stepping aside. He was voted out, and wont try to get back in.

This is like not doing what your boss told you to do and you get fired, and you decide not to reapply for the job. You didnt step aside, you got sh*tcanned.

Much like what happened on a national scale in 2020.

Do you honestly not see the straight-line analogy being drawn - - and which you just highlighted in orange - - UMsU? Or are the Trumplet blinders truly that impervious?

So you pretty much believe that biden & harris won in an honest election. Do I have that right ?

Jim Jordan first to put his hat in the ring.

Dems were so stupid to side with a Pro-Trump supporter to get rid of McCarthy. We may not have the votes needed. If several of the Democrats sided with the majority of the Republicans to keep McCarthy? It would have been over for Gaetz. The 8 Republicans who voted to oust McCarthy now have a target on their backs to get punished by the GOP. And Trump is not happy that McCarthy got booted that the infighting among the GOP is unfolding.

(10-04-2023 01:00 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Jim Jordan first to put his hat in the ring.

I think he is the best option but that is just me.