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Went back to see the sacks. As always, plenty of blame to spread around and is not just one player or position group.

-6 man blitz. Black should have passed on his rusher to Dubose to pick up the blitzers. This is also an issue later in the game, seems the ability to pick up T/E stunts is a problem for Black.

-Deep shot, long developing play. Wilson hesitates to throw. I would call this a coverage sack

-Screen attempt .Just need to throw away

-Rushed 4, was blocked until Wilson escaped pocket and Lb tackled him

-Thomas got beat. On him

-Blitz gets home. Wicks missed the blitz pickup

-Blitzed 5. Black gets beat. CoOuld maybe argue ball could have come out

-Weird long developing fake screen pass. Really not sure much blame, they blitzed it snd no OL was on that said

-Blitzed 5. Center and RG cant pick up the stunt. OL fault

-Blitzed 5. Adams gets beat

I guess the good news is no one is consistently getting beat 1v1. 2 of the sacks were just poor communication, poor job switching on stunts. There were a couple sacks that I would call coverage sacks or a play design that did not work. There are a couple sacks I would call QB holding the ball too long. Adams, Black, and Thomas each had 1 instance where they just got beat 1v1. If I were looking for areas to try to improve the OL, I would look at center first and then maybe right guard.

(09-17-2023 12:01 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:47 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:42 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:33 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:29 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  So, a program with P5 personnel and depth, and an experienced, winning P5 coach (Clawson), wasn't able to make halftime adjustments, but instead it is all on us?

Man, you are a trip

You’re kidding me. If not, you’re part of the problem. There were numerous opportunities to put this game away. Yet we didn’t.

Why wouldn’t any fan be upset/disappointed?

Man, you’re pathetic.

I see.
Opinions of armchair fans on an internet board are integral to the performance of the football team.
I stand by my assessment AND characterization.

You two have different perspectives, both of which are correct. One focuses on the individual failures (of which there were many) that lost the game. While ignoring the positives. The other focuses on the big picture.

The key was that WF successfully changed their rushing scheme and primary RB in the 2nd half.
This affected our defense and caused us to have to react to that, which significantly altered our ability to put pressure on Griffith.
Add to that their ability to rotate P5 caliber linemen on both sides of the ball, and we were getting worn down in the trenches.

The two FG misses likely were irrelevant, as WF almost assuredly could have scored a TD on their last possession had they desired to do so.

You realize the last possession was caused by going for it on 4th and long from inside our own 20 because we needed it, correct? Therefore, fix any of the numerous mistakes prior and we are not in that position.

Your cognitive short comings on full display. Therefore, I stand my my characterization as well.

(09-17-2023 11:47 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:42 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:33 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:29 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:23 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Uh, what? Sure, many of us expected to lose this game, but when we were in a position to win and handed the game over, it’s quite different. I can’t fathom how that would be hard for you to understand.

So, a program with P5 personnel and depth, and an experienced, winning P5 coach (Clawson), wasn't able to make halftime adjustments, but instead it is all on us?

Man, you are a trip

You’re kidding me. If not, you’re part of the problem. There were numerous opportunities to put this game away. Yet we didn’t.

Why wouldn’t any fan be upset/disappointed?

Man, you’re pathetic.

I see.
Opinions of armchair fans on an internet board are integral to the performance of the football team.
I stand by my assessment AND characterization.

You two have different perspectives, both of which are correct. One focuses on the individual failures (of which there were many) that lost the game. While ignoring the positives. The other focuses on the big picture.

To me the Wake coach made many adjustments at halftime. ODU used that play (up the middle with a fake pass) all night. No pitch outs, just up the middle into a brick. Honestly, the D played well in the first half but were outplayed in the second half and the offence had too many 3 up and out, simultaneously like Wolf did last year.

(09-17-2023 12:06 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 12:01 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:47 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:42 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:33 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  You’re kidding me. If not, you’re part of the problem. There were numerous opportunities to put this game away. Yet we didn’t.

Why wouldn’t any fan be upset/disappointed?

Man, you’re pathetic.

I see.
Opinions of armchair fans on an internet board are integral to the performance of the football team.
I stand by my assessment AND characterization.

You two have different perspectives, both of which are correct. One focuses on the individual failures (of which there were many) that lost the game. While ignoring the positives. The other focuses on the big picture.

The key was that WF successfully changed their rushing scheme and primary RB in the 2nd half.
This affected our defense and caused us to have to react to that, which significantly altered our ability to put pressure on Griffith.
Add to that their ability to rotate P5 caliber linemen on both sides of the ball, and we were getting worn down in the trenches.

The two FG misses likely were irrelevant, as WF almost assuredly could have scored a TD on their last possession had they desired to do so.

You realize the last possession was caused by going for it on 4th and long from inside our own 20 because we needed it, correct? Therefore, fix any of the numerous mistakes prior and we are not in that position.

Your cognitive short comings on full display. Therefore, I stand my my characterization as well.

Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Thats the only reach they "could" have scored at the end.

People want to claim adjustments, but it wasn't that. They are a better team that us. Its easier to hang with them for 15 or 30 minutes, especially if you benefit from some turnovers. The longer you play, the more difficult it is to maintain that level of play.

Wake ran the same plays in the 2nd half that they did in the first. Their OL picked us up a little better. That delayed handoff started working a little better and after they hit us a couple times with the delayed read option, we got aggressive and they hit us over the top.

You know, the answer is always blitzing more though, ha

(09-17-2023 12:08 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:47 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:42 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:33 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:29 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  So, a program with P5 personnel and depth, and an experienced, winning P5 coach (Clawson), wasn't able to make halftime adjustments, but instead it is all on us?

Man, you are a trip

You’re kidding me. If not, you’re part of the problem. There were numerous opportunities to put this game away. Yet we didn’t.

Why wouldn’t any fan be upset/disappointed?

Man, you’re pathetic.

I see.
Opinions of armchair fans on an internet board are integral to the performance of the football team.
I stand by my assessment AND characterization.

You two have different perspectives, both of which are correct. One focuses on the individual failures (of which there were many) that lost the game. While ignoring the positives. The other focuses on the big picture.

To me the Wake coach made many adjustments at halftime. ODU used that play (up the middle with a fake pass) all night. No pitch outs, just up the middle into a brick. Honestly, the D played well in the first half but were outplayed in the second half and the offence had too many 3 up and out, simultaneously like Wolf did last year.

We ran a variety of run plays and 2 of our longest runs were outside runs to Roche.

Of course, we are not going to "pitch out" bc we don't run a scheme where you can pitch the ball out and it defeats the entire purpose of aligning our WRs outside.

Wicks and Roche combined for 22 rushes for 118 yards. While many of them was a long run, I would take that all day vs. a solid P5 defense. Especially one that was able to keep 6-7 in the box because they have an NFL corner or 2.

Just curious, who would have come yesterday that didn’t, if the game had started at 6pm or later? Noon just sucks. East side was uncomfortably hot by the third quarter. We watched the final 6 minutes from the shade on the big screen.

(09-17-2023 12:17 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 12:08 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:47 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:42 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:33 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  You’re kidding me. If not, you’re part of the problem. There were numerous opportunities to put this game away. Yet we didn’t.

Why wouldn’t any fan be upset/disappointed?

Man, you’re pathetic.

I see.
Opinions of armchair fans on an internet board are integral to the performance of the football team.
I stand by my assessment AND characterization.

You two have different perspectives, both of which are correct. One focuses on the individual failures (of which there were many) that lost the game. While ignoring the positives. The other focuses on the big picture.

To me the Wake coach made many adjustments at halftime. ODU used that play (up the middle with a fake pass) all night. No pitch outs, just up the middle into a brick. Honestly, the D played well in the first half but were outplayed in the second half and the offence had too many 3 up and out, simultaneously like Wolf did last year.

We ran a variety of run plays and 2 of our longest runs were outside runs to Roche.

Of course, we are not going to "pitch out" bc we don't run a scheme where you can pitch the ball out and it defeats the entire purpose of aligning our WRs outside.

Wicks and Roche combined for 22 rushes for 118 yards. While many of them was a long run, I would take that all day vs. a solid P5 defense. Especially one that was able to keep 6-7 in the box because they have an NFL corner or 2.

WF was pass heavy in the 1st half, with only like 8 designed running plays(excluding sacks and broken pass plays) in the first half

In the second half, WF came out running and had like 21 or so designed rushing plays in the 2nd half.
Who does that they are down by 17-0 unless they saw something.
Indeed they came out rushing in the first series, ran 6 out of 8 plays, which forced out our defense to compensate AND started to really wear our G5 linemen down. The extra time Griffith got from our having to worry about the run from that weird Mesh and wearing down, allowed him to exploit our secondary for the rest of the game.

Yes we made mistakes, there will always be mistakes - but it was the offensive adjustment Clawson made that ultimately determined the outcome and the pressure Clawson put on our offensive line which stopped our run for the most part and gave Wilson less time to throw. (see bolded above)

It’s possible to be upset with a loss when you let a game slip away and have a positive outlook. The two are not mutually exclusive. However, when fans can’t understand why other fans are upset with said loss, that represents a bigger problem with our fan base.

Ask those same fans, and they see no problem the the drop off in fan support.

Some of us want to thrive in life, others just want meander along.

Monarchist/Stats, would you guys ask why Javon Harvey was not playing after the hit he took on the 5 in the 4Q? Post game interview he looked/sounded fine. Dude was having a baller game. Real head scratcher not to have him in at crunch time.

(09-17-2023 01:07 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 12:17 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 12:08 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:47 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:42 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I see.
Opinions of armchair fans on an internet board are integral to the performance of the football team.
I stand by my assessment AND characterization.

You two have different perspectives, both of which are correct. One focuses on the individual failures (of which there were many) that lost the game. While ignoring the positives. The other focuses on the big picture.

To me the Wake coach made many adjustments at halftime. ODU used that play (up the middle with a fake pass) all night. No pitch outs, just up the middle into a brick. Honestly, the D played well in the first half but were outplayed in the second half and the offence had too many 3 up and out, simultaneously like Wolf did last year.

We ran a variety of run plays and 2 of our longest runs were outside runs to Roche.

Of course, we are not going to "pitch out" bc we don't run a scheme where you can pitch the ball out and it defeats the entire purpose of aligning our WRs outside.

Wicks and Roche combined for 22 rushes for 118 yards. While many of them was a long run, I would take that all day vs. a solid P5 defense. Especially one that was able to keep 6-7 in the box because they have an NFL corner or 2.

WF was pass heavy in the 1st half, with only like 8 designed running plays(excluding sacks and broken pass plays) in the first half

In the second half, WF came out running and had like 21 or so designed rushing plays in the 2nd half.
Who does that they are down by 17-0 unless they saw something.
Indeed they came out rushing in the first series, ran 6 out of 8 plays, which forced out our defense to compensate AND started to really wear our G5 linemen down. The extra time Griffith got from our having to worry about the run from that weird Mesh and wearing down, allowed him to exploit our secondary for the rest of the game.

Yes we made mistakes, there will always be mistakes - but it was the offensive adjustment Clawson made that ultimately determined the outcome and the pressure Clawson put on our offensive line which stopped our run for the most part and gave Wilson less time to throw.

They ran the ball 13 times in the first half. They started off the game running on almost every first down. But, in the first down they were behind the sticks a lot bc of tackles for losses and penalties. This naturally forced them to have some more pass attempts (plus a 2 minute drill).

17 points in college football is not a deficit that to panic about. The games are naturally longer due to clock rules.

(09-17-2023 01:29 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 01:07 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 12:17 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 12:08 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:47 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  You two have different perspectives, both of which are correct. One focuses on the individual failures (of which there were many) that lost the game. While ignoring the positives. The other focuses on the big picture.

To me the Wake coach made many adjustments at halftime. ODU used that play (up the middle with a fake pass) all night. No pitch outs, just up the middle into a brick. Honestly, the D played well in the first half but were outplayed in the second half and the offence had too many 3 up and out, simultaneously like Wolf did last year.

We ran a variety of run plays and 2 of our longest runs were outside runs to Roche.

Of course, we are not going to "pitch out" bc we don't run a scheme where you can pitch the ball out and it defeats the entire purpose of aligning our WRs outside.

Wicks and Roche combined for 22 rushes for 118 yards. While many of them was a long run, I would take that all day vs. a solid P5 defense. Especially one that was able to keep 6-7 in the box because they have an NFL corner or 2.

WF was pass heavy in the 1st half, with only like 8 designed running plays(excluding sacks and broken pass plays) in the first half

In the second half, WF came out running and had like 21 or so designed rushing plays in the 2nd half.
Who does that they are down by 17-0 unless they saw something.
Indeed they came out rushing in the first series, ran 6 out of 8 plays, which forced out our defense to compensate AND started to really wear our G5 linemen down. The extra time Griffith got from our having to worry about the run from that weird Mesh and wearing down, allowed him to exploit our secondary for the rest of the game.

Yes we made mistakes, there will always be mistakes - but it was the offensive adjustment Clawson made that ultimately determined the outcome and the pressure Clawson put on our offensive line which stopped our run for the most part and gave Wilson less time to throw.

They ran the ball 13 times in the first half. They started off the game running on almost every first down. But, in the first down they were behind the sticks a lot bc of tackles for losses and penalties. This naturally forced them to have some more pass attempts (plus a 2 minute drill).

17 points in college football is not a deficit that to panic about. The games are naturally longer due to clock rules.

13 times included 2 sacks and at least 2 broken pass plays crediting Griffith with runs, which I stated I left out, instead focusing on the actual game plan.

(09-17-2023 12:08 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:47 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:42 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:33 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 11:29 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  So, a program with P5 personnel and depth, and an experienced, winning P5 coach (Clawson), wasn't able to make halftime adjustments, but instead it is all on us?

Man, you are a trip

You’re kidding me. If not, you’re part of the problem. There were numerous opportunities to put this game away. Yet we didn’t.

Why wouldn’t any fan be upset/disappointed?

Man, you’re pathetic.

I see.
Opinions of armchair fans on an internet board are integral to the performance of the football team.
I stand by my assessment AND characterization.

You two have different perspectives, both of which are correct. One focuses on the individual failures (of which there were many) that lost the game. While ignoring the positives. The other focuses on the big picture.

To me the Wake coach made many adjustments at halftime. ODU used that play (up the middle with a fake pass) all night. No pitch outs, just up the middle into a brick. Honestly, the D played well in the first half but were outplayed in the second half and the offence had too many 3 up and out, simultaneously like Wolf did last year.

Eerily similar to last year. Running up the middle isn't working so let's keep running up the middle til we get it right.

We have the postgame press conference up on the site. Hear from Coach Rahne, EJ Green and Javon Harvey.
https://odumonarchists.com/2023/09/17/de...16th-2023/

(09-17-2023 12:44 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  Just curious, who would have come yesterday that didn’t, if the game had started at 6pm or later? Noon just sucks. East side was uncomfortably hot by the third quarter. We watched the final 6 minutes from the shade on the big screen.

We had a larger crowd for the Louisiana game, where it rained a majority of the day. Yes, noon kickoffs suck but our crowd had zero excuses yesterday. It was a nationally televised game and the weather was perfect. Our corporate fans and wine and cheese club need to have their tickets revoked after their embarrassing no show from yesterday.

(09-17-2023 01:27 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  Monarchist/Stats, would you guys ask why Javon Harvey was not playing after the hit he took on the 5 in the 4Q? Post game interview he looked/sounded fine. Dude was having a baller game. Real head scratcher not to have him in at crunch time.

That hit put him out of the game. Injury to his midsection/abdomen area.

(09-17-2023 09:01 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 12:44 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  Just curious, who would have come yesterday that didn’t, if the game had started at 6pm or later? Noon just sucks. East side was uncomfortably hot by the third quarter. We watched the final 6 minutes from the shade on the big screen.

We had a larger crowd for the Louisiana game, where it rained a majority of the day. Yes, noon kickoffs suck but our crowd had zero excuses yesterday. It was a nationally televised game and the weather was perfect. Our corporate fans and wine and cheese club need to have their tickets revoked after their embarrassing no show from yesterday.

We would have had a better student turnout for sure. The air show going on didn't help things. Getting a game on ESPN2 is nice, but noon kicks are painful. Say what you will about perfect weather all you want but that sun was brutal on both sides of the stadium. I really wish we only had night games.

(09-17-2023 09:19 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 01:27 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  Monarchist/Stats, would you guys ask why Javon Harvey was not playing after the hit he took on the 5 in the 4Q? Post game interview he looked/sounded fine. Dude was having a baller game. Real head scratcher not to have him in at crunch time.

That hit put him out of the game. Injury to his midsection/abdomen area.

thank you

Who’s gonna throw the softball pitch to start the next game thread?

Our newest episode dropped this morning. We spend most of it talking about the Wake Forest game and then discuss homecoming.
https://odumonarchists.com/monarchists-p...conslions/

(09-18-2023 06:27 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 09:01 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 12:44 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  Just curious, who would have come yesterday that didn’t, if the game had started at 6pm or later? Noon just sucks. East side was uncomfortably hot by the third quarter. We watched the final 6 minutes from the shade on the big screen.

We had a larger crowd for the Louisiana game, where it rained a majority of the day. Yes, noon kickoffs suck but our crowd had zero excuses yesterday. It was a nationally televised game and the weather was perfect. Our corporate fans and wine and cheese club need to have their tickets revoked after their embarrassing no show from yesterday.

We would have had a better student turnout for sure. The air show going on didn't help things. Getting a game on ESPN2 is nice, but noon kicks are painful. Say what you will about perfect weather all you want but that sun was brutal on both sides of the stadium. I really wish we only had night games.

Agreed with night games, but the networks decide times. If we had a better team, the national networks might choose to give us later timeslots. The sun is a nonfactor to me because the temperature was pretty nice outside. Again no excuses for anyone. We embarrassed ourselves on the national stage and we have a long way to go unfortunately to make up for that choke job.