You know absolutely zilch about any of those people personally Kuchiff, nada. All you know is what you might have read, and most of what you read is propaganda, Try not to seem so gullible.

(09-12-2023 08:43 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:29 AM)mlb Wrote:  Not my point. You talked about ethics and morality. It is pretty clear based on Trump's past that he's no more ethical or moral than Clinton.

Nor Obama nor Biden. Morality seems to have become an impediment to achieving the presidency. I think that's a systemic problem that needs to be addressed. But systemic or not, I do think it is clearly a problem.

Agreed. But look at the last time we had a "balanced" budget... Clinton and Newt, 2 people with little to no morals.

Accounting trick refinancing debt to come due when they were out of office

Clinton is filth

(09-12-2023 09:31 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You know absolutely zilch about any of those people personally Kuchiff, nada. All you know is what you might have read, and most of what you read is propaganda, Try not to seem so gullible.

So Donald Trump and all the Republicans you still agree with are beyond understanding, requiring mind reading and omnipotence and for this they should always have the benefit of the doubt, but the same standard is not applicable to Democrats?

(09-12-2023 08:29 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:25 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 07:56 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 07:44 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  This is still America. Little Mitzi can feel free to turn as many cranks as she pleases.

As far as an elected government official... I wouldn't trust her ethics and morality any more than I would Bill Clinton.

And you will vote for Trump?

Absolutely.

PRESIDENT Trump was all business. He was not in it for himself. He was not a sell out to get there.

Clinton, Obama and Biden are NOTHING without politics. Heaven only knows what they did to get there.

Not my point. You talked about ethics and morality. It is pretty clear based on Trump's past that he's no more ethical or moral than Clinton.

No, you are the one missing the point. Read my original post.

(09-12-2023 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:29 AM)mlb Wrote:  Not my point. You talked about ethics and morality. It is pretty clear based on Trump's past that he's no more ethical or moral than Clinton.

Nor Obama nor Biden. Morality seems to have become an impediment to achieving the presidency. I think that's a systemic problem that needs to be addressed. But systemic or not, I do think it is clearly a problem.

Sounds like morality is only a qualifying condition for Democrats the way you put it, and not Republicans.

Bwahahahahaha.

Filth have no morals. Non filth have morals but fail to meet expectations.

Thats what yall got out of this story about a democrat candidate chaturbate whore and her admitted literal cuck lawyer husband.

Some off tangent crap about Trump.

Damn yall crack me up. Ill bet your lives are one walking shiteshow to another

I guess its just standard behavior for prog filth. No morals at all.

(09-12-2023 10:02 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 09:31 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You know absolutely zilch about any of those people personally Kuchiff, nada. All you know is what you might have read, and most of what you read is propaganda, Try not to seem so gullible.

So Donald Trump and all the Republicans you still agree with are beyond understanding, requiring mind reading and omnipotence and for this they should always have the benefit of the doubt, but the same standard is not applicable to Democrats?

I'm not the one that tries to act like I have dinner with Obama weekly. That would be you.

And I don't agree with most Republicans about anything. I'm not a gullible fish like you.

(09-12-2023 10:00 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Accounting trick refinancing debt to come due when they were out of office

True

What was essentially done is that we took lots of 20-30 year debt and replaced it with 2-5 year debt... with the normally positive sloping yield curve, this saved a lot of interest, but put us at huge interest rate risk... something that at the time, the same government was specifically preventing banks and insurers from doing (mismatching assets and liabilities). This (along with Fed actions) created an inverted yield curve and massive demand for longer duration assets (but massive supply for shorter assets)... the securitization of mortgage product was also a huge part of this.. private/hybridization of FHLMC and FNMA... reductions in capital requirements for same etc etc etc,... it was a HUGE calculated risk (though the government controlled most of the inputs) and it mostly worked, but was not without risks... some of which were staved off until 2008 with this massive leverage collapsed.

(09-12-2023 09:28 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:29 AM)mlb Wrote:  Not my point. You talked about ethics and morality. It is pretty clear based on Trump's past that he's no more ethical or moral than Clinton.

Nor Obama nor Biden. Morality seems to have become an impediment to achieving the presidency. I think that's a systemic problem that needs to be addressed. But systemic or not, I do think it is clearly a problem.

Sounds like morality is only a qualifying condition for Democrats the way you put it, and not Republicans.

What on earth gave you that idea? How did you derive that from anything I wrote?

mlb makes the point that Trump is objectively less moral than Clinton and your first reaction is to whatabout with Obama and Biden to avoid the point, forgetting that Obama and Biden have had less "moral" issues than Clinton. Why bring up Obama or Biden in the first place? Why dismiss the comparison of Clinton and Trump?

Said differently, what moral comparison can be made of three presidents with 0 indictments to another with upwards of 70 (i've lost track)? How can you say that the morality of Obama, Biden, Clinton is in question when the front runner of your party is the avatar of immorality?

You're reaching awfully hard for a point he never made.

The number of indictments is completely irrelevant since no other president has been the victim anything close to the witch hunt for Trump.

(09-12-2023 10:02 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 09:31 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You know absolutely zilch about any of those people personally Kuchiff, nada. All you know is what you might have read, and most of what you read is propaganda, Try not to seem so gullible.

So Donald Trump and all the Republicans you still agree with are beyond understanding, requiring mind reading and omnipotence and for this they should always have the benefit of the doubt, but the same standard is not applicable to Democrats?

Are you drunk today? You seem even less coherent than usual.

(09-12-2023 10:21 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 09:28 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Nor Obama nor Biden. Morality seems to have become an impediment to achieving the presidency. I think that's a systemic problem that needs to be addressed. But systemic or not, I do think it is clearly a problem.

Sounds like morality is only a qualifying condition for Democrats the way you put it, and not Republicans.

What on earth gave you that idea? How did you derive that from anything I wrote?

mlb makes the point that Trump is objectively less moral than Clinton and your first reaction is to whatabout with Obama and Biden to avoid the point, forgetting that Obama and Biden have had less "moral" issues than Clinton. Why bring up Obama or Biden in the first place? Why dismiss the comparison of Clinton and Trump?

Said differently, what moral comparison can be made of three presidents with 0 indictments to another with upwards of 70 (i've lost track)? How can you say that the morality of Obama, Biden, Clinton is in question when the front runner of your party is the avatar of immorality?

You're reaching awfully hard for a point he never made.

The number of indictments is completely irrelevant since no other president has been the victim anything close to the witch hunt for Trump.

Not reaching hard at all. It's pretty plain that there are two different standards Republicans hold politicians to, and the rest of America is left guessing which ones matter and which ones don't.

(09-12-2023 10:25 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 10:21 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 09:28 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Sounds like morality is only a qualifying condition for Democrats the way you put it, and not Republicans.

What on earth gave you that idea? How did you derive that from anything I wrote?

mlb makes the point that Trump is objectively less moral than Clinton and your first reaction is to whatabout with Obama and Biden to avoid the point, forgetting that Obama and Biden have had less "moral" issues than Clinton. Why bring up Obama or Biden in the first place? Why dismiss the comparison of Clinton and Trump?

Said differently, what moral comparison can be made of three presidents with 0 indictments to another with upwards of 70 (i've lost track)? How can you say that the morality of Obama, Biden, Clinton is in question when the front runner of your party is the avatar of immorality?

You're reaching awfully hard for a point he never made.

The number of indictments is completely irrelevant since no other president has been the victim anything close to the witch hunt for Trump.

Not reaching hard at all. It's pretty plain that there are two different standards Republicans hold politicians to, and the rest of America is left guessing which ones matter and which ones don't.

Drawing that conclusion from what he wrote is a reach of massive proportions.

(09-12-2023 07:56 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 07:44 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  This is still America. Little Mitzi can feel free to turn as many cranks as she pleases.

As far as an elected government official... I wouldn't trust her ethics and morality any more than I would Bill Clinton.

And you will vote for Trump?

Where did the mean man touch you?

TDS apparently removes the ability of its victims to use logic, reason and/or common sense. It’s an interesting affliction.

There was a market and she provided a service to make revenue.

(09-12-2023 11:01 AM)fsquid Wrote:  There was a market and she provided a service to make revenue.

I personally dont care what she does or who she does it with. But can you not see the outcry from the left if a republican man was running and everything in that article remained the same with one change.

If the wife had said I dont like to swap or watch my husband screw other people, or screw other people myself....

but I have no choice because my husband makes me

I seriously doubt the left would be as matter of fact about this. If it was reversed and it was a male the media would be pushing human trafficking charges on the husband

(09-12-2023 10:25 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 10:21 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 09:28 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Sounds like morality is only a qualifying condition for Democrats the way you put it, and not Republicans.

What on earth gave you that idea? How did you derive that from anything I wrote?

mlb makes the point that Trump is objectively less moral than Clinton and your first reaction is to whatabout with Obama and Biden to avoid the point, forgetting that Obama and Biden have had less "moral" issues than Clinton. Why bring up Obama or Biden in the first place? Why dismiss the comparison of Clinton and Trump?

Said differently, what moral comparison can be made of three presidents with 0 indictments to another with upwards of 70 (i've lost track)? How can you say that the morality of Obama, Biden, Clinton is in question when the front runner of your party is the avatar of immorality?

You're reaching awfully hard for a point he never made.

The number of indictments is completely irrelevant since no other president has been the victim anything close to the witch hunt for Trump.

Not reaching hard at all. It's pretty plain that there are two different standards Republicans hold politicians to, and the rest of America is left guessing which ones matter and which ones don't.

Yes. Its alinsky bullet point. Ive explained it.

Filth- no moral code
Non filth - moral code

Filth chaturbate whore and cuck - probably get elected
Non filth- unelectable for less

Filth always hold non filth accountable to a moral code.

Non filth elect a baby sitter marrying, pedo that showers with his daughter and has a lifetime of being laughed at as a pathological liar.

All prog filth are metaphorical cucks.

Please try to pay attention

(09-12-2023 01:12 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 10:25 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 10:21 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 09:28 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What on earth gave you that idea? How did you derive that from anything I wrote?

mlb makes the point that Trump is objectively less moral than Clinton and your first reaction is to whatabout with Obama and Biden to avoid the point, forgetting that Obama and Biden have had less "moral" issues than Clinton. Why bring up Obama or Biden in the first place? Why dismiss the comparison of Clinton and Trump?

Said differently, what moral comparison can be made of three presidents with 0 indictments to another with upwards of 70 (i've lost track)? How can you say that the morality of Obama, Biden, Clinton is in question when the front runner of your party is the avatar of immorality?

You're reaching awfully hard for a point he never made.

The number of indictments is completely irrelevant since no other president has been the victim anything close to the witch hunt for Trump.

Not reaching hard at all. It's pretty plain that there are two different standards Republicans hold politicians to, and the rest of America is left guessing which ones matter and which ones don't.

Yes. Its alinsky bullet point. Ive explained it.

Filth- no moral code
Non filth - moral code

Filth chaturbate whore and cuck - probably get elected
Non filth- unelectable for less

Filth always hold non filth accountable to a moral code.

Non filth elect a baby sitter marrying, pedo that showers with his daughter and has a lifetime of being laughed at as a pathological liar.

All prog filth are metaphorical cucks.

Please try to pay attention

You know who you are asking to do that - right?

Quote:Non filth elect a baby sitter marrying, pedo that showers with his daughter and has a lifetime of being laughed at as a pathological liar.

By the way, I think you got your wording wrong above there Tigger. Otherwise you are saying Non filth elected Biden. Wrong by about 180 degrees mind you. Lolz. And you preach "Please try to pay attention" just after you get it 180 degrees incorrect. Brilliant.

What do you call the group that elects a noted grifter, with a strong ability to simply try and short circuit an election because he got beat, and is at the same level of pathological lying? Asking for friend....

(09-12-2023 10:25 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Not reaching hard at all. It's pretty plain that there are two different standards Republicans hold politicians to, and the rest of America is left guessing which ones matter and which ones don't.

lol... yeah, democrats are paragons of consistency. They literally presented two of their dirtiest politicians to run against a dirty businessman, whom they enabled for decades.

The only people who are 'guessing' about which ones matter and which ones don't are the ignorant.

Nobody cares that Trump lies about affairs he had when he didn't hold public office or how big his inauguration was... Nobody even cares when he attempts to use loopholes that others wrote before he was a politician and they either get accepted (he avoids paying taxes) or they disallow them and he has to pay them. They care when Trump lies about things that impact US... you know, like when his son takes millions in what are essentially bribes while Trump holds meetings with these same people, puts pressure on their opponents from his official position and then claims not to have any knowledge of his son's business dealings, despite actually meeting with his business partners. Stuff like that.

(09-12-2023 07:56 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 07:44 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  This is still America. Little Mitzi can feel free to turn as many cranks as she pleases.

As far as an elected government official... I wouldn't trust her ethics and morality any more than I would Bill Clinton.

And you will vote for Trump?

This thread isn’t about Trump.