(08-31-2023 04:18 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-31-2023 03:55 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-31-2023 03:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-31-2023 03:42 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-31-2023 01:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Interestingly----as I understand it---the war was largely sold to the Russian people as a necessary move to keep them safe. That may have been believable at first----but with the buying power of the ruble down substantially, the number of dead sons returning from the front soaring well past the horror of the entire Afghan War, an armed violent revolt inside Russian, talk of additional "mobilizations" taking more sons to the front, and now---drones nightly bringing the explosive shrapnel of war directly to the cities and towns of Russia---it must be becoming increasingly difficult for the average Russian to believe he is safer now than he was before the "Special Military Operation" began.

From what I can tell, Putin appears to be traveling down the same road as Tsar Nicholas II. He's falling for the sunk cost fallacy - just like Nicky 2 did - and will double down on winning the war or achieving some stalemate where he can bring some "concessions" back to Russia to show that despite the high cost of the war that the results were "worth it". In Putin's mind (IMHO), he loses then he's not only finished as the leader of Russia...he's a dead man.

Let's hear your take then.

The globohomos and the eu baited russia

Russis said frick it. You cant have the ukraine withoutba fight and we have time

The media bleats, the sheep eat it up.

We spend 200 billion because we are retarded.

Putin is laughing while banging a 26 year old olympic gymnist. Or two.

Russia and china become bffs

People like you think you have a good bead on things

Everyone hates us

Dummies

(08-31-2023 07:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-31-2023 05:00 PM)Todor Wrote:  I like that people get so excited when they see news like this, but they have no idea who is actually doing a lot of the fighting in Ukraine.

It’s definitely not all these groups, as there is some actual Russian military there fighting, and not just commanders. But….Russia did empty its prisons, other criminal types like drug addicts who are trying to reform their standing in society by becoming veterans, some lunatics and nuts who would go fight for anything, foreigners who want citizenship, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmen, Kazakhs, minorities, the rural poor, the uneducated, your general dregs of humanity that contribute nothing to society, the long term unemployed who have been cut off welfare, not to mention, a large portion of people who used to be Ukrainian and are from the Donbass, Crimea, and other formerly Ukrainian territory.

There are also many units who are all from the Islamic regions of Russia like Chechnya, Dagestan, plus Crimeans, Ossetians, Abkhazians, Mordvins, Chuvash, a few thousand people from Transnistria, groups that have historical sympathy towards Ukraine such as Russian Catholics, Russian citizens who have been living outside Russia and have been coming and going with impunity after never serving their mandatory military service but were “suddenly” forced to serve starting about 6 months before the SMO began (lol), children of undesirable elements of society etc.

Nearly all Russian males serve mandated military service. There is a lot of free reign as to who gets sent to Ukraine. It is not random. A lot of careful consideration of myriad factors goes into who goes and who serves at home.

I would wager that few of the dead are going to be missed by society. There is simply no reason to send too many educated, highly trained, effective soldiers to Ukraine who are vital to the long term defense of Russia.

It’s essentially like the US military. West Point grads aren’t the primary ones out getting blown to bits by IED’s made by a bunch of guys in plastic flip flops hiding in irrigation ditches in the desert. Rich white suburban kids aren’t joining the military in large numbers. Who does join in large numbers are minorities and the poor, kids who are easily manipulated the tens of billions the military spends on advertising, misfits, people who could never go to college, people with nothing better to do, people with few other prospects etc.

I like that guys likely named Ted pick the Russian version of that name (Todor) as a screen name and say they just find it all interesting. Lol

So you think I’m an American, who is pretending to be a Russian who is denying being Russian, and am actually American.

Umm, alrighty then…

Nobody cares what Putin is doing.

(08-31-2023 07:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-31-2023 05:00 PM)Todor Wrote:  I like that people get so excited when they see news like this, but they have no idea who is actually doing a lot of the fighting in Ukraine.

It’s definitely not all these groups, as there is some actual Russian military there fighting, and not just commanders. But….Russia did empty its prisons, other criminal types like drug addicts who are trying to reform their standing in society by becoming veterans, some lunatics and nuts who would go fight for anything, foreigners who want citizenship, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmen, Kazakhs, minorities, the rural poor, the uneducated, your general dregs of humanity that contribute nothing to society, the long term unemployed who have been cut off welfare, not to mention, a large portion of people who used to be Ukrainian and are from the Donbass, Crimea, and other formerly Ukrainian territory.

There are also many units who are all from the Islamic regions of Russia like Chechnya, Dagestan, plus Crimeans, Ossetians, Abkhazians, Mordvins, Chuvash, a few thousand people from Transnistria, groups that have historical sympathy towards Ukraine such as Russian Catholics, Russian citizens who have been living outside Russia and have been coming and going with impunity after never serving their mandatory military service but were “suddenly” forced to serve starting about 6 months before the SMO began (lol), children of undesirable elements of society etc.

Nearly all Russian males serve mandated military service. There is a lot of free reign as to who gets sent to Ukraine. It is not random. A lot of careful consideration of myriad factors goes into who goes and who serves at home.

I would wager that few of the dead are going to be missed by society. There is simply no reason to send too many educated, highly trained, effective soldiers to Ukraine who are vital to the long term defense of Russia.

It’s essentially like the US military. West Point grads aren’t the primary ones out getting blown to bits by IED’s made by a bunch of guys in plastic flip flops hiding in irrigation ditches in the desert. Rich white suburban kids aren’t joining the military in large numbers. Who does join in large numbers are minorities and the poor, kids who are easily manipulated the tens of billions the military spends on advertising, misfits, people who could never go to college, people with nothing better to do, people with few other prospects etc.

Russia has lost a lot of generals. And several of their most elite units were decimated in the Kiev campaign. Now yes, they are enforcing quotas in minority and rural areas and not in Moscow and St. Petersburg, but they have definitely had important losses.

And you are attempting to counter something I said in the post you are quoting?

Or you are trying to say I said something earlier, and rather than reply then, you waited until now and replied to a different post?

You’ve lost me here with that reply.