(08-25-2023 11:21 AM)Claw Wrote:  Obama.

(08-25-2023 08:04 PM)Todor Wrote:  If there is any specific time frame or not, it boils down to the people being bad citizens. Bad citizens create/tolerate/encourage bad government. And boy, are we going to get what we deserve.

Blaming the politicians is the lazy way to go about things. It’s a democracy. We get what we vote for. They only have the power we allow them to have. No matter what any of the crooks do, it’s still on the people, because we are the ones who will face the consequences of what we voted for, sooner, or later.

When did the American people turn bad? Couldn’t tell you, but look at the mess we have collectively created. Embarrassing.

Not a democracy.

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The liberal agenda. That’s how.

(08-25-2023 10:48 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Is it one singular event that caused it? Or is it a combination of events that have occurred since the end of the Civil War?

It hasn’t been fast.

Lately you’ve probably heard this repeated or seen it written.

“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf

Each of those “times” is a 20 year cycle or “turning”

We are are the end of another 80 year cycle or saeculum. Read some of Strauss-Howe Generational Theory. It was once called “radical” but now not so much. Here’s a good video that explains it.





While it is mostly ignored by the mainstream media there is a lot of evidence out there. Here are a few more pieces:

https://historynewsnetwork.org/blog/154510

https://www.businessinsider.com/protests...ers-2020-6

https://bigthink.com/politics-current-af...-80-years/

https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns...73342.html

(08-25-2023 11:40 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 11:21 AM)Claw Wrote:  Obama.

Obama and his merry band of radicals is the quick and easiest answer. But they were simply the latest group to resume the task of taking down America, along with Hillary Clinton's gang. Joseph McCarthy was correct but nobody would listen.

And he paid a heavy price for his diligence. He was canceled before there was such a thing. He was a patriot who loved his country and executed the mission he was assigned by his POTUS and died broken hearted because of it. The communists won.

(08-26-2023 05:27 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 10:48 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Is it one singular event that caused it? Or is it a combination of events that have occurred since the end of the Civil War?

It hasn’t been fast.

Lately you’ve probably heard this repeated or seen it written.

“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf

Each of those “times” is a 20 year cycle or “turning”

We are are the end of another 80 year cycle or saeculum. Read some of Strauss-Howe Generational Theory. It was once called “radical” but now not so much. Here’s a good video that explains it.





While it is mostly ignored by the mainstream media there is a lot of evidence out there. Here are a few more pieces:

https://historynewsnetwork.org/blog/154510

https://www.businessinsider.com/protests...ers-2020-6

https://bigthink.com/politics-current-af...-80-years/

https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns...73342.html

This is as on point now, even more so actually, than when it first gained attention some years back.

I think it was fully realized when Obama took office. Remember, he ran on a platform of Hope and Change and the promise of fundamentally transforming America. Boy has it ever been changed.

(08-25-2023 10:48 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Is it one singular event that caused it? Or is it a combination of events that have occurred since the end of the Civil War?

I specifically wanted to separate this article from the rest because it addresses what I’m sure many here have experienced. It addresses Gen-Xer’s and Millennials questions from a Christian perspective.

http://www.globaljournalct.com/strauss-a...nd-church/

(08-26-2023 05:48 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  This is as on point now, even more so actually, than when it first gained attention some years back.

Indeed it is…
I believe that’s only natural in the further we get from 1997 when this theory was published, the more clarity we have with life experience as data to analyze.

Personally though I was born a Baby Boomer, I have more traits in common with Generation X. The two sets of dates within each cohort helped me understand “my place”.

Everyone should read this book now. The information in it will help you understand what is going on in the world right now.

(08-25-2023 02:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 01:55 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  My sig says it all.

Moral decay.

Hard to argue with that---but I do think the pendulum tends to swing back toward morality once people realize that moral decay and decadence might be fun for a while---but it does not result in a happy life or a world we want to leave to our children.

No such morality pendulum swing has ever happen in our country. At best things will slow down for a while after a sharp decent, but its always temporary and we always end up in further moral decay then we were before.

The problem is spiritual and starts with secularism and people turning away from God and repentance.

Paul warns us clearly in Romans 1 & 2 that God gives a people/society time to repent and if we don't he pulls back His hedge of spiritual protection and we rapidly fall further into wickedness and corruption. Eventually He gives people want they desire and gives them over completely to a reprobate mind.

There are obvious signs this is happening right now in our culture.

The only good part is it draws a clear line in the sand and people typically choose a side and stop trying to live in both worlds. Those willing to seek Him draw closer to Him than ever before and the wicked run further into darkness.

(08-26-2023 05:51 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 10:48 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Is it one singular event that caused it? Or is it a combination of events that have occurred since the end of the Civil War?

I specifically wanted to separate this article from the rest because it addresses what I’m sure many here have experienced. It addresses Gen-Xer’s and Millennials questions from a Christian perspective.

http://www.globaljournalct.com/strauss-a...nd-church/

I'm Gen X and man do they nail our traits in this perfectly. Many of us were raised by women and had our dad in the house a little while but he was long gone by the time were entered middle school. So we had some male influence but it was lacking badly in those key teenage years.

The fact that we were latchkey kids made us self sufficient but the lack of a father in those formative years also made us underachievers as kids and young adults.

We're pretty well entrenched in the modern tech world and online world but we grew up and went to high school without any of that stuff, and were the last generation to actually do that. So that gives us advantages over the Millennials and Gen Z who have never known existence without those things, and have little understating or perspective of the old world which is now gone.

A surprising percentage of Millennials and Gen Z kids tend to really like our music and culture (I see a lot of Gen Zers saying they prefer 90's music over todays) and have latched on to some of it and kept it around, albeit mixed in with their 21 century stuff. Some of them also tend to appreciate our strength and hardness in comparison to their remarkable softness and fragility. Others hate us for that very thing and despise that we are the connection to traditional values of the previous generations.

Gen X is hitting the age where more are turning to God as they realize their own mortality, but we are generally not connected to the traditional denominational boxes and reject that type of Christianity where its denomination first, Bible truth second. So there is the divide there between us and the boomer denominational driven Christians, and that extends to the younger Millennial and Gen Z believers.

In some ways, we live and practice our faith much closer to how the first and second generation Christians did. Albeit not as cleanly and more worldly in some ways, which is not good. So its a mix of good and bad. I think we are more about getting out and spreading the gospel and trying to reason with the secular population as to why they should believe, at least more than the older denominational crowd which tended to just separate themselves and stick within their circles. I think they were more about waiting for the lost to come to them to share the gospel and we are more about going out to find them. Of course those are generalizations and not absolutes. You will see some of both in both groups.