(08-24-2023 10:47 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 10:26 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:34 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Haley is competent, but is simply on the wrong side of too many big issues for the GOP electorate.

I think the GOP is going to find that they are going to get crushed on the suburban woman vote if they don't adjust to her view on abortion. They'll lose the general election because of that. The Democrats will make the whole election about it.

I also think the raising of hands to cut social security benefits will hurt the party as a whole, especially with those who are retired or close to retiring. The Democrats will attack the entire GOP on that.

Suburban women moving left has little to do with abortion (that crew has always voted democrat) and a lot to do with Donald Trump. They hate him. George W Bush was anti-abortion and did fine with the suburbs.

It wasn't really a live issue on the "pro abortion" side at that time. Roe and Casey were the standard and the debate on abortion was centered on the GOP friendly ground of late term abortion, which has defund the police level popularity on a national level. Now that Roe is gone and there are states implementing or trying to implement bans the debate on that issue is on full ban, which also has around the popularity of defund the police. The vast majority of the country resides in the "middle" on this issue, don't really support or think abortion is a good thing but think banning it is bad and probably would fall in line with some level of the European consensus of a 12-15 week limit. Problem of course is even though that position is probably where 60-70% of the country resides in a GOP primary you can't take that position and win, because that 15% or so of the country that supports a full ban is probably the most powerful and active portion of the GOP base that votes in primaries.

(08-24-2023 03:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 02:13 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 12:57 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(08-23-2023 09:29 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Nikki would have my vote at the moment... It's too bad she has no shot.

Nikki Haley would have your vote?? This same Nikki Haley? This is just one of the insanely idiot anti-white things she's said in the past.

Nikki Haley
@NikkiHaley
We should all stand with
@BubbaWallace
today against the cowards who secretly put the noose in his garage stall. Watch your back cowards. Bubba has a bigger army than you do. #HateWontWin #WeStandWithBubba

She's as RINO as it gets. How do so-called Republican voters keep falling for this nonsense?

“RINO” is up there with “BLM” for acronyms that get a giant eye roll from me whenever I see it. If you mean she doesn’t spout her religion every time she speaks and doesn’t let it influence all her views, then yeah, I guess she’s a “RINO”.

I’m not sure who’s more uninterested in getting the middle vote, Republicans or Democrats.

Can you tell me how you came to the conclusion the post you quoted was about religion? One other thing on the post you quoted do you agree with her "view"? To me it looks like something besides waiting for the facts was shaping her view

The religion thing was about being labeled a “RINO”. It shouldn’t be involved in anything political, yet candidates were out there last night talking about Jesus, walking with the Lord, etc. Pence especially was bad about it. Seems like anytime someone’s labeled a RINO, it’s because they aren’t letting religion influence their politics.

The quote about Bubba Wallace is irrelevant to me. She made a statement, turned out she was wrong. If we’re going to disqualify people for being wrong, that’d make the list for potential president pretty damn short.

(08-24-2023 04:15 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 03:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 02:13 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 12:57 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(08-23-2023 09:29 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Nikki would have my vote at the moment... It's too bad she has no shot.

Nikki Haley would have your vote?? This same Nikki Haley? This is just one of the insanely idiot anti-white things she's said in the past.

Nikki Haley
@NikkiHaley
We should all stand with
@BubbaWallace
today against the cowards who secretly put the noose in his garage stall. Watch your back cowards. Bubba has a bigger army than you do. #HateWontWin #WeStandWithBubba

She's as RINO as it gets. How do so-called Republican voters keep falling for this nonsense?

“RINO” is up there with “BLM” for acronyms that get a giant eye roll from me whenever I see it. If you mean she doesn’t spout her religion every time she speaks and doesn’t let it influence all her views, then yeah, I guess she’s a “RINO”.

I’m not sure who’s more uninterested in getting the middle vote, Republicans or Democrats.

Can you tell me how you came to the conclusion the post you quoted was about religion? One other thing on the post you quoted do you agree with her "view"? To me it looks like something besides waiting for the facts was shaping her view

The religion thing was about being labeled a “RINO”. It shouldn’t be involved in anything political, yet candidates were out there last night talking about Jesus, walking with the Lord, etc. Pence especially was bad about it. Seems like anytime someone’s labeled a RINO, it’s because they aren’t letting religion influence their politics.

The quote about Bubba Wallace is irrelevant to me. She made a statement, turned out she was wrong. If we’re going to disqualify people for being wrong, that’s make the list for potential president pretty damn short.

Haley's statement was right along the same line of behavior of "Republicans" like Kinzinger, Liz Cheney, Bill Kristol, the Lincoln Project and every other fake republican out there who ends up siding and voting with Democrats (aka RINOS and really a Dem) on everything and even ends up with countless interviews smiling and giggling along with and bashing republicans on CNN, MSNBC etc.

I guess she's fooling you, but she's not fooling me. She's way more Democrat than she is Republican. Trump, Desantis and Ramaswamy are the only three I trust out of this group. Well Tim Scott too but I don't think he's quite ready to fight Democrats or the establishment RINOs like those three are.

(08-24-2023 04:22 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 04:15 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 03:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 02:13 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 12:57 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  Nikki Haley would have your vote?? This same Nikki Haley? This is just one of the insanely idiot anti-white things she's said in the past.

Nikki Haley
@NikkiHaley
We should all stand with
@BubbaWallace
today against the cowards who secretly put the noose in his garage stall. Watch your back cowards. Bubba has a bigger army than you do. #HateWontWin #WeStandWithBubba

She's as RINO as it gets. How do so-called Republican voters keep falling for this nonsense?

“RINO” is up there with “BLM” for acronyms that get a giant eye roll from me whenever I see it. If you mean she doesn’t spout her religion every time she speaks and doesn’t let it influence all her views, then yeah, I guess she’s a “RINO”.

I’m not sure who’s more uninterested in getting the middle vote, Republicans or Democrats.

Can you tell me how you came to the conclusion the post you quoted was about religion? One other thing on the post you quoted do you agree with her "view"? To me it looks like something besides waiting for the facts was shaping her view

The religion thing was about being labeled a “RINO”. It shouldn’t be involved in anything political, yet candidates were out there last night talking about Jesus, walking with the Lord, etc. Pence especially was bad about it. Seems like anytime someone’s labeled a RINO, it’s because they aren’t letting religion influence their politics.

The quote about Bubba Wallace is irrelevant to me. She made a statement, turned out she was wrong. If we’re going to disqualify people for being wrong, that’s make the list for potential president pretty damn short.

Haley's statement was right along the same line of behavior of "Republicans" like Kinzinger, Liz Cheney, Bill Kristol, the Lincoln Project and every other fake republican out there who ends up siding and voting with Democrats (aka RINOS and really a Dem) on everything and even ends up with countless interviews smiling and giggling along with and bashing republicans on CNN, MSNBC etc.

I guess she's fooling you, but she's not fooling me. She's way more Democrat than she is Republican. Trump, Desantis and Ramaswamy are the only three I trust out of this group. Well Tim Scott too but I don't think he's quite ready to fight Democrats or the establishment RINOs like those three are.

“Fooling me” implies that I’m a Republican. I’m not, I’m a moderate/centrist. And her being in the middle doesn’t make her a Democrat, it makes her a moderate. If anything, I see her as a moderate Republican, which I guess to the far right, makes her a socialist pig.

What debate?

Someone was criticizing Trump for not participating in the debate? Why should he? He has nothing to gain by having to defend himself against EVERYBODY except Vivek. In sports the number one seeds don't play until later and no one is crying about how unfair it is.

Besides, if Trump had gone the place would have been a shouting match (which Pence was doing a good job of that that he was told to cool it) and none of the issues would have been answered. With the eight everyone was able to put their best foot forward instead of trying to appease Trump haters by needing to attack him.

I loved two of them, Vivek and DeSantis. I wouldn't mind DS winning the nomination but I don't think he will, neither will Vivek despite him doing so well. I'm sticking with Trump because after his interview with Tucker he set it straight that Pence COULD HAVE stopped the counting of the ballots in Georgia and elsewhere. But, Pence was sticking to his "I am a constitutionalist" and even at that he didn't know the rules and sided with the Demons. He might be a Jesus follower but that doesn't make him suitable for the top job if he lacks the conviction to follow the rules. He would be another Jimmy Carter and we know how he fared.

I would love for Trump to be the nominee and DS as his running mate. If not DS then Vivek, or as Krispy Kreme called him the guy with the funny
name. You can tell that Vivek got on his nerves and he's trying to retaliate by his insult. That fat slob should be running for a Demoncraptic seat instead as a Rep.

(08-24-2023 04:15 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 03:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 02:13 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 12:57 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(08-23-2023 09:29 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Nikki would have my vote at the moment... It's too bad she has no shot.

Nikki Haley would have your vote?? This same Nikki Haley? This is just one of the insanely idiot anti-white things she's said in the past.

Nikki Haley
@NikkiHaley
We should all stand with
@BubbaWallace
today against the cowards who secretly put the noose in his garage stall. Watch your back cowards. Bubba has a bigger army than you do. #HateWontWin #WeStandWithBubba

She's as RINO as it gets. How do so-called Republican voters keep falling for this nonsense?

“RINO” is up there with “BLM” for acronyms that get a giant eye roll from me whenever I see it. If you mean she doesn’t spout her religion every time she speaks and doesn’t let it influence all her views, then yeah, I guess she’s a “RINO”.

I’m not sure who’s more uninterested in getting the middle vote, Republicans or Democrats.

Can you tell me how you came to the conclusion the post you quoted was about religion? One other thing on the post you quoted do you agree with her "view"? To me it looks like something besides waiting for the facts was shaping her view

The religion thing was about being labeled a “RINO”. It shouldn’t be involved in anything political, yet candidates were out there last night talking about Jesus, walking with the Lord, etc. Pence especially was bad about it. Seems like anytime someone’s labeled a RINO, it’s because they aren’t letting religion influence their politics.

The quote about Bubba Wallace is irrelevant to me. She made a statement, turned out she was wrong. If we’re going to disqualify people for being wrong, that’d make the list for potential president pretty damn short.

One or two things are in play here....

1. you dont know what RINO means
2. you dont understand those that base almost everything on religion

by any means you want to judge either one....they dont go together

But still nothing you said goes with the post you are talking about. As for her being wrong you dont seem to get that either. People make mistakes but the fact she was quick to jump to a conclusion that this was about race instead of waiting for the facts. As President it would not only make her wrong but her words dangerous. People want to hold President Trump responsible for his words on Jan 6th yet they dont hold others to that same responsibility...

I seem to recall Obama and Biden saying things after a police shooting that were 100% wrong because they did not wait for the facts. The things they said lead to riots or at least riots soon followed those comments.

(08-24-2023 06:04 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 04:15 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 03:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 02:13 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 12:57 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  Nikki Haley would have your vote?? This same Nikki Haley? This is just one of the insanely idiot anti-white things she's said in the past.

Nikki Haley
@NikkiHaley
We should all stand with
@BubbaWallace
today against the cowards who secretly put the noose in his garage stall. Watch your back cowards. Bubba has a bigger army than you do. #HateWontWin #WeStandWithBubba

She's as RINO as it gets. How do so-called Republican voters keep falling for this nonsense?

“RINO” is up there with “BLM” for acronyms that get a giant eye roll from me whenever I see it. If you mean she doesn’t spout her religion every time she speaks and doesn’t let it influence all her views, then yeah, I guess she’s a “RINO”.

I’m not sure who’s more uninterested in getting the middle vote, Republicans or Democrats.

Can you tell me how you came to the conclusion the post you quoted was about religion? One other thing on the post you quoted do you agree with her "view"? To me it looks like something besides waiting for the facts was shaping her view

The religion thing was about being labeled a “RINO”. It shouldn’t be involved in anything political, yet candidates were out there last night talking about Jesus, walking with the Lord, etc. Pence especially was bad about it. Seems like anytime someone’s labeled a RINO, it’s because they aren’t letting religion influence their politics.

The quote about Bubba Wallace is irrelevant to me. She made a statement, turned out she was wrong. If we’re going to disqualify people for being wrong, that’d make the list for potential president pretty damn short.

One or two things are in play here....

1. you dont know what RINO means
2. you dont understand those that base almost everything on religion

by any means you want to judge either one....they dont go together

But still nothing you said goes with the post you are talking about. As for her being wrong you dont seem to get that either. People make mistakes but the fact she was quick to jump to a conclusion that this was about race instead of waiting for the facts. As President it would not only make her wrong but her words dangerous. People want to hold President Trump responsible for his words on Jan 6th yet they dont hold others to that same responsibility...

I seem to recall Obama and Biden saying things after a police shooting that were 100% wrong because they did not wait for the facts. The things they said lead to riots or at least riots soon followed those comments.

I understand what people mean when they say "RINO". Again, I see it mainly used to label those who aren't on the far right, where their religion typically comes into play with their political beliefs.

As for the post/tweet, has she made a similar mistake since then? If not, could it not have been a learning experience for her? I admit, I was guilty once of jumping to conclusions once when something similar happened, found out I was wrong, and learned in the future to wait for the facts. People are allowed to learn and get better.

And Trump has little to do with Jan 6 for me. As do Obama/Biden with those riots regarding race. The riots on both sides were happening no matter what any of those three men said/did.

(08-24-2023 12:57 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(08-23-2023 09:29 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Nikki would have my vote at the moment... It's too bad she has no shot.

Nikki Haley would have your vote?? This same Nikki Haley? This is just one of the insanely idiot anti-white things she's said in the past.

Nikki Haley
@NikkiHaley
We should all stand with
@BubbaWallace
today against the cowards who secretly put the noose in his garage stall. Watch your back cowards. Bubba has a bigger army than you do. #HateWontWin #WeStandWithBubba

She's as RINO as it gets. How do so-called Republican voters keep falling for this nonsense?

Being wrong doesn't mean she's a RINO.

I kinda take a different tack with how I classified the folks on the stage. To me---it was Ramswamy vs everyone else. Like Trump---Ramswamy is the only "outsider" candidate up there. He is not a creature of government. I dont agree with his foreign policy (though I agree with many of his foreign policy goal's---I just think his strategy is naive and misguided), but he's the only one on that stage that speaks to the Trump audience. Everyone else on that stage is a swamp creature to one degree or another. Like Ramswamy said----everyone else on that stage other than him is bought and paid for. In fact—Trump used a very similar tact in 2016 in describing how he was not beholden to donor like his competitors in a 2016 primary debate (and was also booed by the audience). After being booed, Trump explained to those watching on tv from home that his campaign was able to get almost no seats for the live audience in the theater because—-you guessed it—-the seats were reserved largely for GOP donors and donors to the various campaigns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG6_5m8RIIg

(08-24-2023 04:31 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 04:22 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 04:15 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 03:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 02:13 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  “RINO” is up there with “BLM” for acronyms that get a giant eye roll from me whenever I see it. If you mean she doesn’t spout her religion every time she speaks and doesn’t let it influence all her views, then yeah, I guess she’s a “RINO”.

I’m not sure who’s more uninterested in getting the middle vote, Republicans or Democrats.

Can you tell me how you came to the conclusion the post you quoted was about religion? One other thing on the post you quoted do you agree with her "view"? To me it looks like something besides waiting for the facts was shaping her view

The religion thing was about being labeled a “RINO”. It shouldn’t be involved in anything political, yet candidates were out there last night talking about Jesus, walking with the Lord, etc. Pence especially was bad about it. Seems like anytime someone’s labeled a RINO, it’s because they aren’t letting religion influence their politics.

The quote about Bubba Wallace is irrelevant to me. She made a statement, turned out she was wrong. If we’re going to disqualify people for being wrong, that’s make the list for potential president pretty damn short.

Haley's statement was right along the same line of behavior of "Republicans" like Kinzinger, Liz Cheney, Bill Kristol, the Lincoln Project and every other fake republican out there who ends up siding and voting with Democrats (aka RINOS and really a Dem) on everything and even ends up with countless interviews smiling and giggling along with and bashing republicans on CNN, MSNBC etc.

I guess she's fooling you, but she's not fooling me. She's way more Democrat than she is Republican. Trump, Desantis and Ramaswamy are the only three I trust out of this group. Well Tim Scott too but I don't think he's quite ready to fight Democrats or the establishment RINOs like those three are.

“Fooling me” implies that I’m a Republican. I’m not, I’m a moderate/centrist. And her being in the middle doesn’t make her a Democrat, it makes her a moderate. If anything, I see her as a moderate Republican, which I guess to the far right, makes her a socialist pig.

As Rush used to say “please show us the book ‘Great Moderates of History’.

(08-24-2023 07:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I kinda take a different tack with how I classified the folks on the stage. To me---it was Ramswamy vs everyone else. Like Trump---Ramswamy is the only "outsider" candidate up there. He is not a creature of government. I dont agree with his foreign policy (though I agree with many of his foreign policy goal's---I just think his strategy is naive and misguided), but he's the only one on that stage that speaks to the Trump audience. Everyone else on that stage is a swamp creature to one degree or another. Like Ramswamy said----everyone else on that stage other than him is bought and paid for.

(08-24-2023 07:43 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  As Rush used to say “please show us the book ‘Great Moderates of History’.

Well... I'd say Bill Clinton falls under that category. Of course this will make many heads explode here... but

1. Worked with a Newt and a Republican congress to balance the budget.
2. Cut welfare benefits.
3. Was able to work with both sides of the aisle.

Since then the polarization of both parties has exploded.

(08-25-2023 08:05 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 07:43 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  As Rush used to say “please show us the book ‘Great Moderates of History’.

Well... I'd say Bill Clinton falls under that category. Of course this will make many heads explode here... but

1. Worked with a Newt and a Republican congress to balance the budget.
2. Cut welfare benefits.
3. Was able to work with both sides of the aisle.

Since then the polarization of both parties has exploded.

I think WJC was a pretty decent president as well. Sort of ironic that his wife would likely have been one of the worst ... sans Biden of course.

(08-25-2023 08:09 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I think WJC was a pretty decent president as well. Sort of ironic that his wife would likely have been one of the worst ... sans Biden of course.

His views from the 90s would certainly not fall within the Democratic party of today. Not sure it falls within the Republican party either since he actually worked with the Republicans, cut the deficit, and reformed welfare. They always pay lip service but never do a damn thing about it.

(08-25-2023 08:14 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 08:09 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I think WJC was a pretty decent president as well. Sort of ironic that his wife would likely have been one of the worst ... sans Biden of course.

His views from the 90s would certainly not fall within the Democratic party of today. Not sure it falls within the Republican party either since he actually worked with the Republicans, cut the deficit, and reformed welfare. They always pay lip service but never do a damn thing about it.

It works for most republican voters because they still support those things big time.

Not a chance in hell for the Republicans in Washington though.

(08-25-2023 08:05 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 07:43 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  As Rush used to say “please show us the book ‘Great Moderates of History’.

Well... I'd say Bill Clinton falls under that category. Of course this will make many heads explode here... but

1. Worked with a Newt and a Republican congress to balance the budget.
2. Cut welfare benefits.
3. Was able to work with both sides of the aisle.

Since then the polarization of both parties has exploded.

you’d be wrong … a number of us have pined that ‘cigar boy’ was the only dem worth a shite in our lifetime…

Clinton was boxed in and HAD to work with Newt.

(08-25-2023 11:52 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Clinton was boxed in and HAD to work with Newt.

But if you read the stuff Clinton wrote prior to 1992, he was personally in favor of the kind of welfare reform that he did with Newt. He was very much of the opinion that democrats needed to move toward the center to win elections. He just couldn't get a democrat controlled congress to go along, but once Newt and the republicans were in he could get it done.

Fox News GOP Presidential Debate Draws a Whopping 12.8 Million Viewers

Quote:The first GOP Debate of the 2024 Election cycle turned out to be a ratings boon for Fox News. Even without a showing from former President Donald J. Trump, who partnered with former Fox News star host Tucker Carlson to do a competing interview, the network somehow managed to make a better showing in the ratings on Wednesday than they did in 2016 and 2020.

FOX News Media’s "Democracy 24: FOX News Republican Primary Debate" drew a staggering 12.8 million total viewers on Wednesday night, making it the most-watched, non-sporting event cable telecast of the year.

The debate drew 2.8 million viewers from the advertiser-coveted demographic of adults age 25-54, and outdrew 70% of presidential primary debates in the 2016 and 2020 cycles.

Fox News anchors Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum moderated that debate that featured North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum, former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley, former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson, former Vice President Mike Pence, Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, and entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy.

The star power of former hosts like Megyn Kelly and Carlson was missing. Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum are solid rather than showy, and they both tended to come off as patrician.

The debate, which aired on Fox News Channel, FOX Business, FOX Nation and on Fox News Digital, drew a larger audience than the network’s previous debate in Iowa in January 2016 without then-candidate Donald Trump which averaged 12.5 million total viewers.

Fox News Channel drew 11.1 million total viewers and 2.4 million in the critical demo alone to top Paramount’s "Yellowstone," for the most-watched, non-sport cable program of 2023. It also outdrew programming on ABC, CBS, NBC combined.

FOX Business attracted another 1.7 million total viewers with 401,000 in the demo.

While Baier and MacCallum managed to wrangle and rein in the eight candidates chomping at the bit to prove it is they who would make the best president and aiming fire at each other, the evening was ripe with missed opportunities, questions that should have never made the cut, and questions that should have been asked that were left off the table. As my colleague Nick Arama wrote,

The Republican debate was Wednesday night, and I have to say I was somewhat disappointed that the debate didn't spend time on the economy, how horrible Joe Biden is, and the weaponization of the government against political opponents and the American people. It seems like the candidates spent more time trying to verbally take on Vivek Ramaswamy than Joe Biden. It was clear that they were concerned about Ramaswamy's numbers when the rest were mainly in single digits,. They were hoping to have that springboard moment off of him. But I think that only focused more attention on him, rather than on them. "Vivek" was trending this morning on C, polls running this morning like the Drudge poll had him polling as the winner.

As Arama also reported, Trump's Tucker interview was none too shabby either. As of this writing, the episode has seen 281.1 million views.

The second GOP debate is scheduled for September 27 at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation in Simi Valley, California. FOX Business is slated to host.