I would Love for the ACC to bring in SMU, USF now ! Heck bring in Memphis too

(08-11-2023 07:49 PM)MainePony Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 07:42 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Why not vote SMU in now and deal with StanCal later? It’s possible that going to California is a bridge too far.

That’s really my question. ESPN home page just dropped a story that there are still 4 against CalStan…no mention of SMU. As a stand alone add it seems like a home run, why is SMU paired with StanCal? Why all or nothing?

Well, maybe not a home run. Perhaps a bunt single. This wouldn't do much for the ACC, but it would be huge for SMU.

(08-11-2023 07:42 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Why not vote SMU in now and deal with Cali-Stan later? It’s possible that going to California is a bridge too far.

No argument here!

(08-11-2023 08:04 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 07:49 PM)MainePony Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 07:42 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Why not vote SMU in now and deal with StanCal later? It’s possible that going to California is a bridge too far.

That’s really my question. ESPN home page just dropped a story that there are still 4 against CalStan…no mention of SMU. As a stand alone add it seems like a home run, why is SMU paired with StanCal? Why all or nothing?

The ACC is a dysfunctional mess. I saw it in 2003 when we got invited and then uninvited.

Yet both Cuse and Pitt stabbed everyone in the Big East in the back to join the ACC.

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(08-12-2023 02:20 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 08:04 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 07:49 PM)MainePony Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 07:42 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Why not vote SMU in now and deal with StanCal later? It’s possible that going to California is a bridge too far.

That’s really my question. ESPN home page just dropped a story that there are still 4 against CalStan…no mention of SMU. As a stand alone add it seems like a home run, why is SMU paired with StanCal? Why all or nothing?

The ACC is a dysfunctional mess. I saw it in 2003 when we got invited and then uninvited.

Yet both Cuse and Pitt stabbed everyone in the Big East in the back to join the ACC.

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Actually Cuse was quite open about leaving after 2003. There were no GORs and they abided by the contract.

(08-12-2023 02:38 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-12-2023 02:20 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 08:04 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 07:49 PM)MainePony Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 07:42 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Why not vote SMU in now and deal with StanCal later? It’s possible that going to California is a bridge too far.

That’s really my question. ESPN home page just dropped a story that there are still 4 against CalStan…no mention of SMU. As a stand alone add it seems like a home run, why is SMU paired with StanCal? Why all or nothing?

The ACC is a dysfunctional mess. I saw it in 2003 when we got invited and then uninvited.

Yet both Cuse and Pitt stabbed everyone in the Big East in the back to join the ACC.

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Actually Cuse was quite open about leaving after 2003. There were no GORs and they abided by the contract.

And in 2003, SU wasn't pushing to leave. They were along for the ride. Miami was orchestrating with BC behind the scenes, and SU was targeted by them to join them.

In May 2010, well over a year prior to being invited by the ACC, as other schools where pursing options in a known but not-so-open manner, Pitt sent a letter to the Big East leadership which was circulated among ADs and presidents that it would explore any opportunity that arose and offered to step back from conference leadership. This was done behind closed doors as to not damage the conference and anyone it might eventually leave behind, completely opposite of what FSU has been doing.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/4...-16-20.pdf

(08-12-2023 05:00 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-12-2023 02:38 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-12-2023 02:20 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 08:04 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 07:49 PM)MainePony Wrote:  That’s really my question. ESPN home page just dropped a story that there are still 4 against CalStan…no mention of SMU. As a stand alone add it seems like a home run, why is SMU paired with StanCal? Why all or nothing?

The ACC is a dysfunctional mess. I saw it in 2003 when we got invited and then uninvited.

Yet both Cuse and Pitt stabbed everyone in the Big East in the back to join the ACC.

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk

Actually Cuse was quite open about leaving after 2003. There were no GORs and they abided by the contract.

And in 2003, SU wasn't pushing to leave. They were along for the ride. Miami was orchestrating with BC behind the scenes, and SU was targeted by them to join them.

In May 2010, well over a year prior to being invited by the ACC, as other schools where pursing options in a known but not-so-open manner, Pitt sent a letter to the Big East leadership which was circulated among ADs and presidents that it would explore any opportunity that arose and offered to step back from conference leadership. This was done behind closed doors as to not damage the conference and anyone it might eventually leave behind, completely opposite of what FSU has been doing.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/4...-16-20.pdf

yea, because the Big East wasn't damaged.

Another thing, SMU should not have to work for free.

(08-12-2023 06:14 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Another thing, SMU should not have to work for free.

Lol If the PAC 4 grab Them, USF, Memphis,Tulane from the AAC there go any close potential expansion candidates

(08-12-2023 07:27 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(08-12-2023 06:14 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Another thing, SMU should not have to work for free.

Lol If the PAC 4 grab Them, USF, Memphis,Tulane from the AAC there go any close potential expansion candidates

The pool of possible new markets with potential to add to the value of the ACC dwindles…Shrinkage…Never a good thing…on so many levels.

(08-12-2023 05:34 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-12-2023 05:00 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-12-2023 02:38 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-12-2023 02:20 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 08:04 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The ACC is a dysfunctional mess. I saw it in 2003 when we got invited and then uninvited.

Yet both Cuse and Pitt stabbed everyone in the Big East in the back to join the ACC.

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk

Actually Cuse was quite open about leaving after 2003. There were no GORs and they abided by the contract.

And in 2003, SU wasn't pushing to leave. They were along for the ride. Miami was orchestrating with BC behind the scenes, and SU was targeted by them to join them.

In May 2010, well over a year prior to being invited by the ACC, as other schools where pursing options in a known but not-so-open manner, Pitt sent a letter to the Big East leadership which was circulated among ADs and presidents that it would explore any opportunity that arose and offered to step back from conference leadership. This was done behind closed doors as to not damage the conference and anyone it might eventually leave behind, completely opposite of what FSU has been doing.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/4...-16-20.pdf

yea, because the Big East wasn't damaged.

Correct, it wasn't damaged by internal communications that didn't go public. Those private, internal conversations did not interfere with negotiations with other schools (TCU) or its media partners (ESPN), because in keeping them private, it didn't pour fuel on whatever existing speculation there was about the conference's future. And members continued to work as best they could on making the Big East as good as it could be up until the point they where they were no longer members. In fact, in the particular case of Pitt, it spearheaded the drive that resulted in adding TCU in Nov 2010 because it was still trying to help the Big East be the strongest conference it could be.

So yes, FSU's clown show should take a lesson which is why Bubba had to tell them to STFU.

(08-11-2023 06:48 PM)MainePony Wrote:  SMU may not be your ideal candidate, but it’s a program on the rise in terms of facilities, commitment, NIL/recruiting, academics, location, Bush Presidential library and support, past tradition, athletic budget, easy travel connections. SMU reeks ACC. No, not a huge tv viewership draw today, but people recognize Pony Express, Dallas etc…it’s a brand waiting to be taken to the next level. Putting the elephant in the room aside (foregoing 5 yrs of tv revenue), why is this not a slam dunk for the ACC?

I don’t disagree with you but the concern is ESPN. They got SMU and AAC at a bargain price and may not want to pay for the SMU move.

Similarly I don’t ESPN would move FSU and Clemson to the SEC and pay more. That’s why FSU’s best bet is the B10.

(08-13-2023 12:38 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 06:48 PM)MainePony Wrote:  SMU may not be your ideal candidate, but it’s a program on the rise in terms of facilities, commitment, NIL/recruiting, academics, location, Bush Presidential library and support, past tradition, athletic budget, easy travel connections. SMU reeks ACC. No, not a huge tv viewership draw today, but people recognize Pony Express, Dallas etc…it’s a brand waiting to be taken to the next level. Putting the elephant in the room aside (foregoing 5 yrs of tv revenue), why is this not a slam dunk for the ACC?

I don’t disagree with you but the concern is ESPN. They got SMU and AAC at a bargain price and may not want to pay for the SMU move.

Similarly I don’t ESPN would move FSU and Clemson to the SEC and pay more. That’s why FSU’s best bet is the B10.

What is FSU's value to FOX vs UW and UO? Because that's a lot of risk to end up making less than they do now.

The ACC not taking Cal/Stanford but accepting SMU would be so on brand for this conference

(08-13-2023 02:17 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  The ACC not taking Cal/Stanford but accepting SMU would be so on brand for this conference

Totally. Like that time we took Louisville instead of UConn

(08-13-2023 03:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 02:17 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  The ACC not taking Cal/Stanford but accepting SMU would be so on brand for this conference

Totally. Like that time we took Louisville instead of UConn

When Louisville was 2 years removed from winning a BCS bowl and had just won the National Championship in basketball? Yeah what a stupid add that was


Even amidst Louisville's worst football run in 25 some odd years we still have the 4th best conference record since joining.


Try thinking critically instead of getting butthurt

(08-13-2023 03:45 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 03:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 02:17 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  The ACC not taking Cal/Stanford but accepting SMU would be so on brand for this conference

Totally. Like that time we took Louisville instead of UConn

When Louisville was 2 years removed from winning a BCS bowl and had just won the National Championship in basketball? Yeah what a stupid add that was


Even amidst Louisville's worst football run in 25 some odd years we still have the 4th best conference record since joining.


Try thinking critically instead of getting butthurt

Thank you for proving the ridiculousness of your original statement.

(08-13-2023 03:45 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 03:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 02:17 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  The ACC not taking Cal/Stanford but accepting SMU would be so on brand for this conference

Totally. Like that time we took Louisville instead of UConn

When Louisville was 2 years removed from winning a BCS bowl and had just won the National Championship in basketball? Yeah what a stupid add that was


Even amidst Louisville's worst football run in 25 some odd years we still have the 4th best conference record since joining.


Try thinking critically instead of getting butthurt

Except .... we were invited in November of 2012. BEFORE we won a national championship.

Try being accurate instead of being butthurt.

(08-13-2023 01:59 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 12:38 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 06:48 PM)MainePony Wrote:  SMU may not be your ideal candidate, but it’s a program on the rise in terms of facilities, commitment, NIL/recruiting, academics, location, Bush Presidential library and support, past tradition, athletic budget, easy travel connections. SMU reeks ACC. No, not a huge tv viewership draw today, but people recognize Pony Express, Dallas etc…it’s a brand waiting to be taken to the next level. Putting the elephant in the room aside (foregoing 5 yrs of tv revenue), why is this not a slam dunk for the ACC?

I don’t disagree with you but the concern is ESPN. They got SMU and AAC at a bargain price and may not want to pay for the SMU move.

Similarly I don’t ESPN would move FSU and Clemson to the SEC and pay more. That’s why FSU’s best bet is the B10.

What is FSU's value to FOX vs UW and UO? Because that's a lot of risk to end up making less than they do now.

And is the B10 ready to expand now? They are adding four Western schools and it will take some time to integrate.

(08-12-2023 06:55 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would Love for the ACC to bring in SMU, USF now ! Heck bring in Memphis too

Could happen if NC State, North Carolina, Florida State, and Clemson leave at the same time.