(08-06-2023 12:12 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-05-2023 11:39 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:21 PM)pesik Wrote:  florida state has no where to go... them complaining doesnt mean anything

Bobby Bowden days are over. FSU used to be in a conference with us. Never understood their appeal. Clemson was never **** until Dabo took over. Who would name thier kid Dabo?

It's so hillbilly. SMFH

Not his real name, lol. Bastardization of what a younger relative called him. She was trying to say "that boy," IIRC. Somehow, it stuck.

My uncle from Memphis who I adored was named Beck. His real name was James Roland III.

He couldn't pronounce spaghetti. he would ask for more beckarooge as a little kid. My mom and all the sisters and brothers called him Beck and it stuck for life to all of us, but professionally he was James Roland.

I get it but calling yourself Dabo is way too fking cute for me in public. Geez he's the head coach of a major football program.

Beck sounds like an angst ridden singer.
Dabo, to me, sounds like a Jedi Knight

(08-06-2023 05:05 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Beck sounds like an angst ridden singer.
Dabo, to me, sounds like a Jedi Knight

I like that.

Did not know they were leaving. When was that announcement made?

(08-06-2023 07:15 AM)PirateHawk Wrote:  Did not know they were leaving. When was that announcement made?

Click on the links in the OP.

No announcement, just FSU making noise about leaving, and the ACC making noise about expanding. Either of which could cause poaching of the AAC.

This is a message board, not a newspaper, lol.

(08-04-2023 09:44 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

What if the ACC expands with Memphis, Tulane and USF at say 17-20 million for the duration of the gor and give the other part of the Pro-Rata increase directly to FSU,CLEMSON. now espn has more ACC network viewership while stabilizing them through their existing contract. Heck while at it add UConn basketball to weaken the big east while fortifying the themselves as one of the top two basketball conferences yearly. Memphis and UConn would be adding some serious depth I believe. Then as BY is thinking, they could break their football and basketball into two separate contracts on the next deal while protecting themselves through numbers in the future.

No American schools bring any value to the ACC's current membership. If they don't want Stanford or Cal, then they aren't going to want Memphis or UConn.

(08-05-2023 11:39 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:21 PM)pesik Wrote:  florida state has no where to go... them complaining doesnt mean anything

Bobby Bowden days are over. FSU used to be in a conference with us. Never understood their appeal. Clemson was never **** until Dabo took over. Who would name thier kid Dabo?

It's so hillbilly. SMFH

Clemson won a National Championship in 1981. Memphis even hired a coach clemson shitcanned. Did you start watching football in 2010?

If the PAC-4 end up merging with the MWC I could see whatever is left of the ACC merging with the AAC. ESPN have both properties why would they want to pay more by elevating some teams, when they can save it be relegating some. Especially, once a precedent has been set.

(08-06-2023 08:39 AM)Ourland Wrote:  No American schools bring any value to the ACC's current membership. If they don't want Stanford or Cal, then they aren't going to want Memphis or UConn.

Not necessarily. If a school is willing to take a giant haircut through the existing contract, they might could make a deal. It's really common for schools to enter a new conference at less than full pay.

Maybe Stanford or Cal was unwilling to take a pay cut. Maybe Memphis or UConn wouldn't be.

(08-06-2023 10:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 08:39 AM)Ourland Wrote:  No American schools bring any value to the ACC's current membership. If they don't want Stanford or Cal, then they aren't going to want Memphis or UConn.

Not necessarily. If a school is willing to take a giant haircut through the existing contract, they might could make a deal. It's really common for schools to enter a new conference at less than full pay.

Maybe Stanford or Cal was unwilling to take a pay cut. Maybe Memphis or UConn wouldn't be.

Problem is the current ACC members would have no interest adding G5 schools at this point. Pure fantasy.

Not sure why we keep forgetting Navy. ACC would be happy to have them as a replacement I would think.

(08-06-2023 10:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 08:39 AM)Ourland Wrote:  No American schools bring any value to the ACC's current membership. If they don't want Stanford or Cal, then they aren't going to want Memphis or UConn.

Not necessarily. If a school is willing to take a giant haircut through the existing contract, they might could make a deal. It's really common for schools to enter a new conference at less than full pay.

Maybe Stanford or Cal was unwilling to take a pay cut. Maybe Memphis or UConn wouldn't be.

Pay cut? They're looking at a media deal of zero right now, and I can't see a PAC bolstered with G5 programs bringing in more than what Apple was offering prior to the implosion. My bet is that CalStan doesn't have enough value in their markets for reasons I brought up in another post, which is why they were left out during the shakedown.

(08-06-2023 10:04 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 10:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 08:39 AM)Ourland Wrote:  No American schools bring any value to the ACC's current membership. If they don't want Stanford or Cal, then they aren't going to want Memphis or UConn.

Not necessarily. If a school is willing to take a giant haircut through the existing contract, they might could make a deal. It's really common for schools to enter a new conference at less than full pay.

Maybe Stanford or Cal was unwilling to take a pay cut. Maybe Memphis or UConn wouldn't be.

Problem is the current ACC members would have no interest adding G5 schools at this point. Pure fantasy.

Where exactly did I say they were? I was simply using an example that some are willing to take more of a cut than others. I never said the ACC was interested in G5s.

(08-06-2023 10:42 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 10:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 08:39 AM)Ourland Wrote:  No American schools bring any value to the ACC's current membership. If they don't want Stanford or Cal, then they aren't going to want Memphis or UConn.

Not necessarily. If a school is willing to take a giant haircut through the existing contract, they might could make a deal. It's really common for schools to enter a new conference at less than full pay.

Maybe Stanford or Cal was unwilling to take a pay cut. Maybe Memphis or UConn wouldn't be.

Pay cut? They're looking at a media deal of zero right now, and I can't see a PAC bolstered with G5 programs bringing in more than what Apple was offering prior to the implosion. My bet is that CalStan doesn't have enough value in their markets for reasons I brought up in another post, which is why they were left out during the shakedown.

I was talking about Stanford possibly going to the ACC, and responding to the statement that the ACC wasn't willing to take Stanford or Cal, and I replied that maybe the pay cut that the ACC and ESPN would impose on them (relative to the ACC per school TV deal) was too great for them to consider it. IOW, it possibly could have been lower than what Apple is likely still offering, since they wouldn't add much value to the ACC, but Apple sees more value.

Get it now?

(08-06-2023 11:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 10:42 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 10:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 08:39 AM)Ourland Wrote:  No American schools bring any value to the ACC's current membership. If they don't want Stanford or Cal, then they aren't going to want Memphis or UConn.

Not necessarily. If a school is willing to take a giant haircut through the existing contract, they might could make a deal. It's really common for schools to enter a new conference at less than full pay.

Maybe Stanford or Cal was unwilling to take a pay cut. Maybe Memphis or UConn wouldn't be.

Pay cut? They're looking at a media deal of zero right now, and I can't see a PAC bolstered with G5 programs bringing in more than what Apple was offering prior to the implosion. My bet is that CalStan doesn't have enough value in their markets for reasons I brought up in another post, which is why they were left out during the shakedown.

I was talking about Stanford possibly going to the ACC, and responding to the statement that the ACC wasn't willing to take Stanford or Cal, and I replied that maybe the pay cut that the ACC and ESPN would impose on them (relative to the ACC per school TV deal) was too great for them to consider it.

Get it now?

Really? No kidding. Try reading my post again. What I wrote is that anything the ACC might have been willing to offer is better than zero, and could potentially be better than what a rebuilt PAC may attract (factoring a half share from the ACC, which is typical.) I also speculated that the ACC rejected CalStan outright, based on their market value, or lack thereof.

(08-06-2023 10:42 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 10:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 08:39 AM)Ourland Wrote:  No American schools bring any value to the ACC's current membership. If they don't want Stanford or Cal, then they aren't going to want Memphis or UConn.

Not necessarily. If a school is willing to take a giant haircut through the existing contract, they might could make a deal. It's really common for schools to enter a new conference at less than full pay.

Maybe Stanford or Cal was unwilling to take a pay cut. Maybe Memphis or UConn wouldn't be.

Pay cut? They're looking at a media deal of zero right now, and I can't see a PAC bolstered with G5 programs bringing in more than what Apple was offering prior to the implosion. My bet is that CalStan doesn't have enough value in their markets for reasons I brought up in another post, which is why they were left out during the shakedown.

I spend a fair amount of time in the Bay for work. It’s honestly shocking how little coverage either receive. At least in comparison to coming from the south east.

Living in Seattle, the Husky’s and to a lesser extent the Cougs get reasonable coverage. But still no where near what we are accustomed to in the South East.

I’m of the opinion that the BIG or BIG12 looked at Stan/Cal in the Bay market and realized it’s not really a college football market at all. Yes there’s a lot of people there, but there’s a lot of people in Tokyo. Doesn’t mean it’s a college football market.

(08-06-2023 11:19 AM)ah59396 Wrote:  I spend a fair amount of time in the Bay for work. It’s honestly shocking how little coverage either receive. At least in comparison to coming from the south east.

Living in Seattle, the Husky’s and to a lesser extent the Cougs get reasonable coverage. But still no where near what we are accustomed to in the South East.

I’m of the opinion that the BIG or BIG12 looked at Stan/Cal in the Bay market and realized it’s not really a college football market at all. Yes there’s a lot of people there, but there’s a lot of people in Tokyo. Doesn’t mean it’s a college football market.

Exactly my point! I've spent quite a bit of time in San Francisco, Oakland, and Los Angeles on business. I can state without hesitation that unlike SoCal, NorCal isn't a strong college sports market.

(08-06-2023 11:25 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 11:19 AM)ah59396 Wrote:  I spend a fair amount of time in the Bay for work. It’s honestly shocking how little coverage either receive. At least in comparison to coming from the south east.

Living in Seattle, the Husky’s and to a lesser extent the Cougs get reasonable coverage. But still no where near what we are accustomed to in the South East.

I’m of the opinion that the BIG or BIG12 looked at Stan/Cal in the Bay market and realized it’s not really a college football market at all. Yes there’s a lot of people there, but there’s a lot of people in Tokyo. Doesn’t mean it’s a college football market.

Exactly my point! I've spent quite a bit of time in San Francisco, Oakland, and Los Angeles on business. I can state without hesitation that unlike SoCal, NorCal isn't a strong college sports market.

Yep. I actually stay in Berkeley quite often. I like the campus but even the stadium looks like a rundown relic of past glory when football still mattered.

If the ACC implodes like the PAC, the only ready right now options for expansion are Tulane, SMU, and UCONN. USF has started to work on their situation and the Big XII is going to grab them when the time is right. However, if your UMASS, Temple, and Memphis, it's time to get your football stadium and program issues figured out, and fast.