(06-22-2023 09:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 09:02 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Some of you are being terribly insensitive. Lives were lost here.

like any other day, people die horribly … in this case, they signed the waiver … therefore, your point is moot w/o any sensibility or rational…

ewe pansies that pine about ‘muh tragedies’ fk’n sicken my arse with that ‘falsetto’…

stupid shite like this will become the crescendo of finishing off what this once great country represented…

#pissOff! #pickUpPennies #strideByTheBenjamins

Its not like they died saving children from a burning building.

If i die doing some stupid shitr like this i wil feel insulted if people don make fun of it

Well said

I have to say one of my favorite things ever is seeing idiots mess with wildlife that goes horribly wrong. If you are dumb enough to try and pet a wild lion and it rips you into shreds and there is a video of it, I will watch and laugh at the moron who did it.

(06-22-2023 08:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 08:10 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 06:06 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Okay Biden is either a blithering idiot or a mastermind of covering things up. He’s not both of these things so pick a narrative.

He's a blithering idiot who has people cover things up.

ITs f*cking sad you are here defending this sh*tshow of an administration.

Have you ever read my posts?

People made fun of the Challenger explosion. It happens. People don't realize it, but for many it's a coping mechanism.

Is a Titanic Conspiracy Theory Tied to the Sinking of the Billionaire Submersible?

Quote:Google whistleblower has a theory. I took his theory, did a little more research, and came up with something a bit different.

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Ever since the sinking of the RMS Titanic in 1912, theories have continuously emerged that questioned the official narrative. Some are ludicrous, such as the one about a cursed mummy onboard that was repeated by the NY Times shortly after the sinking. Some have legs, such as the notion that a German U-Boat sunk her in their quest for WWI sea domination.

One theory in particular stands out as not only plausible, but potentially tied to the current tragedy unfolding in the news. According to Google whistleblower Zach Vorhies:

Since no one is offering the conspiracy narrative of the submarine here goes…

Well if you read the primary sources of from the survivors of the Titanic you’ll see a disturbing trend: survivor after survivor doesn’t mention an iceberg, they mention an incredible explosion that rocked the ship before it sank.

We’ve all become familiar with the phrase “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” yet no one is mentioning the obvious: ice bergs can’t cut through hardened steel hulls.

So if why would the titanic be blown up? Well it turns out the industrialists opposed to the creation of the federal reserve were on that ship:

John Jacob Astor IV

Benjamin Guggenhei

Isidor Straus

George Dunton Widene

This is even mentioned in the movie Titanic, in one scene, were there are a group of people arguing against the creation of the federal reserve. It’s extremely short, a few seconds, but it’s there.

Unfortunately for those behind the conspiracy (presumably the current stockholders of the Federal Reserve) the Titanic sits in international waters. Unregulated salvage operations can proceed on the titanic. What would they presumably find?

That the hull “buckling in by an iceberg” is actually a “buckling out by an explosive”. This fact can’t be hidden forever, and the media is starting to tease limited disclosures to the public.

To close this loophole, the internationalist are clamping down on visitation so that no unauthorized persons can visit the titanic wreckage without a permit.

So the fact that this submarine dude was able to offer trips at all is a little suspect. The fact he was able to do it with an uncertified, experimental submarine controlled by a wireless game controller - makes no sense. The additional fact that he specifically excluded hiring experienced pilots because they were “50 something white people”, yet was still permitted.

So what’s going to happen? The people in this submarine likely perished. But I’m open to being wrong. But this event will be used as leverage to make the titanic off limits by visitation by the citizens of the west so that the narrative of the Federal Reserve is preserved.

Oh look the Rothschild dynasty funded this thing what a surprise.

According to Derek Broes: You are being mislead about the submarine. They did not hear taps and attempts to rescue has resulted is catastrophic failure “implosion” of two submersibles to rescue. The media wants you tuned into their fake ass broadcasts. The sub is gone according to sources that have contacted me for Canadian a U.S. coast guard insiders.

The hull of the Titanic was 1 inch (26 mm) of steel. That puts it in the same league as an "ice breaker ship", who's hull ranges from 25 - 75 mm.

Regarding the Old Theory
Vorhies mentioned the Rothschild family, whose names have been tied to theories about the Titanic sinking from the beginning. He didn't mention J.P. Morgan, another Federal Reserve bank architect who had a massive vested interest in seeing opposition to the Fed sunk (pun intended).

J.P. Morgan owned the Titanic through his trust. He was also scheduled to be a passenger for the disastrous maiden voyage but canceled at the last minute, supposedly because he was having trouble getting artwork shipped with him. This excuse seems feeble considering how much art was already on the ship, but we may never know the truth there.

As far as Vorhies' claim that an iceberg can't sink a ship with a 1-inch steel hull, its a legitimate question. After all, the hull is one of the reasons the ship was dubbed as "unsinkable" in the first place. I'm not a scientist but the "ice versus steel" question seems viable to me.

Now, let's discuss how this affects current events...

Regarding the New Theory
If the submersible was intentionally sunk, hidden away, or never even launched at all, I'm not sure if Vorhies has the full picture. Theorizing that this would be the predicate for preventing future expeditions isn't realistic. Neither the nature nor location of the dive is being blamed for the tragedy, so changing international law over what is being described as a single faulty submarine doesn't pass the smell test.

But that doesn't mean there's no room for a conspiracy, and one stuck out to me based on a victim. Paul-Henri Nargeolet is known as "Mr. Titanic." He's been to the ship 37 times and is widely regarded as THE expert on the topic.

What if he found something that could prove the ship was intentionally sunk? Before you dismiss this as way out there, here are three facts to consider:

Nargeolet Had a Bad Experience With OceanGate Before
This wasn't Nargeolet's first time aboard an OceanGate vessel. The last time he went with them, he felt like he was going to die. According to his daughter:

Nargeolet said her father had made his first trip to the wreck in 1987. On one trip in another vessel operated by U.S.-based OceanGate Expeditions, he told her that he was not sure he would return safely, although he eventually did.

Why would someone who had already been to the wreckage 36 previous times get onto another OceanGate submersible after being concerned for his life the last time he went with them? What was so pressing? Did he know something new? Was he investigating something he wasn't supposed to know?

Nargeolet Specialized in Recovering Vehicles Damaged by Explosives
Before becoming Mr' Titanic, Nargeolet specialized in mine clearance for the French Navy. He has traveled the world recovering submerged vessels that had exploded. It would be hard to find anyone on the planet who is better qualified to examine the Titanic and recognize evidence of an explosion rather than iceberg damage.

Nargeolet Was Director of Underwater Research for the Company That Owns the Rights to Titanic's Remains
This seems convenient. According to Daily Mail:

Nargeolet became the director of underwater research for RMS Titanic, which owns the rights to the ship's remains, and done more than 35 drives to the shipwreck.

Again, this reinforces that if there are true conspiracies surrounding the sinking of the Titanic, Nargeolet would be the one who had access to the information and skill to process it all.

So Many Questions
He knew the risks and had no known burning need to go down a 37th time on a submersible that nearly killed him before. He's handled as many vessels sunk by explosives as anyone on earth. He worked for the company that literally owns all of the answers if the right questions are asked.

Did Paul-Henri Nargeolet know something he wasn't supposed to know? Was he going to reveal something the powers-that-be don't want revealed? As with so many things associated with the Titanic, we may never get real answers.

(06-22-2023 09:43 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Hell, if I had been offered a seat and it seemed safe on the surface I'd have done it.

Nobody lives forever. I'd much rather go out with a unique story to be passed down for generations than spending a year puking from chemo any day.

Been there done that. To this day Coca cola or any soft drink made with Kola nut or Kola extract tastes like carbonated chemicals and metals. Haven't enjoyed a coke since Chemo. Surprisingly Root Beer and Dr Pepper tastes the same as well as any fruit flavored soda. I was never a Dr Pepper fan.

Oxaliplatin is the most destructive drug in Chemo. Had to stop taking it after only two rounds.

I really don't see anything other than a CEO with an EGO larger than Texas attempting to create new ways to make money. The only problem was he was over his head in the expertise he needed to accomplish the mission. But, why let that get in the way of an EGO larger than life. Damm the torpedoes full steam ahead. The actual blueprint Captain Smith of the Titanic used.

FULL TIMELINE: Here is what the Biden Admin said publicly about the missing sub compared to when they learned Titan was lost

Quote:A tragedy unfolded this week before the eyes of the world. A deep sea submersible, the 5-person Titan, descended to the ocean floor on Sunday to view the 111-year-old wreck of the Titanic. The timeline of what was known when, as revealed in the press and that which was known in official channels, however, were two entirely different things.

Despite knowing that the craft was lost on Sunday, the government narrative persisted in telling the story of a search and rescue, allowing for hope and optimism even after the tragedy, and the loss of five lives, was known to the Biden administration.

Within 45 min of its descent, the sub lost contact, and concern for the crew, including a father and his 19-year-old son, filled hearts and minds. Pages were devoted to emerging facts and speculation.

But now it turns out that the US Navy and Coast Guard knew that the sub was most definitely lost within hours of it losing contact. A "search and rescue" operation was staged anyway, and lasted through Thursday.

Sunday

The OceanGate sub, carrying Shahaza Dawood, his son Suleman, Hamish Harding, Paul-Henri Norgeolet, and Stockton Rush, descended to the depths of the Titanic, about 435 miles off the southern coast of Newfoundland. The sub carried a four-day emergency oxygen supply.

On Sunday, shortly after the craft lost contact, the US Navy detected an explosion. They have deep sea listening equipment that they use to track enemy subs and crafts, and it was with this system that they heard what they believed was the destruction of the craft.

The Navy gave this information to the US Coast Guard, conducting operations out of Boston, Massachusetts. This information was not revealed to the public.

Monday

"We anticipate there is somewhere between 70 and the full 96 hours available at this point," Rear Admiral John Mauger of the Coast Guard told media at a press conference, per the BBC.

Mauger said further that the Coast Guard was making use of two aircraft, a submarine and sonar buoys to search for the missing submersible. The remote area, he said, was making the search difficult.

The rescue teams, Mauger said, were "taking this personally," and working hard to bring everyone "home safe."

The Coast Guard knew by then that the craft was lost for good, but told press that they were hoping everyone came "home safe."

Tuesday

Rolling Stone broke the story that "banging" was detected by a Canadian aircraft in "30-minute intervals coming from the area where the divers disappaeared." This per an "internal email" obtained by Rolling Stone, sent by Biden's Department of Homeland Security. Biden's DHS leaked to Rolling Stone.

"RCC Halifax launched a P8, Poseidon, which has underwater detection capabilities from the air," the DHS e-mails read, per Rolling Stone. "The P8 deployed sonobuoys, which reported a contact in a position close to the distress position. The P8 heard banging sounds in the area every 30 minutes. Four hours later, additional sonar was deployed and banging was still heard."

The Navy was working to recover the craft, Rolling Stone said, and a ROV, or remote operated vehicle, would be deployed as well "to reach" the divers.

They noted further that "The Joint Rescue Coordination Centre in Halifax, Nova Scotia, declined to comment on the reported 'banging” sounds.' The U.S. Fleet Forces Command, and the DHS did not respond to requests for comment."

They cited the US Coast Guard statement, which gave further hope, in that the Canadian aircraft "detected underwater noises in the search area."

This statement was reitterated by OceanGate, the sub company, which said "It is being reported that at 2 a.m. local time on site that sonar detected potential ‘tapping sounds’ at the location, implying crew may be alive and signaling."

CNN covered the same internal email, saying that it indicated "continued hope of survivors." They reported that "It's a race against time as the US Coast Guard said the vessel had 'about 40 hours of breathable air left' during an update at 1 p.m. ET Tuesday."

The Pentagon's John Kirby, National Security Council Coordinator for Strategic Communications, said that Biden was "watching events closely." As to the search and rescue operation, Kirby said "Certainly the president wants the Coast Guard to continue to participate in that.”

Kirby also said that the US Navy, which had already detected the implosion, was on standby "should they be needed because they have some deep-water capabilities that the Coast Guard wouldn’t necessarily have."

Kirby gave hope that survivors would be found.

"All of us, including the president express our thoughts to the crew on board, as well as to the no doubt worried family members back on shore — and we're just gonna, we're gonna keep looking, keep the search going," he said.

The Biden administration and the Coast Guard continued to give press the impression that a rescue was possible, despite having learned from the Navy that there had been an explosion. The coordinates for that explosion, given by the Navy to the Coast Guard, were what guided the Coast Guard's search.

Wednesday

TikTok was awash with videos, animations and speculation about what happened to the sub, and the likelihood of survival. One TikToker posted an animation of "what happens when a submarine implodes underwater." Another shared an animation of what the "instant collapse of pressure" would do to the vessel.

Adventurers who had been aboard the Titan began to speak out about their past experiences, with one German explorer stating that "it was a suicide mission" for the crew to attempt to descend to view the Titanic wreck.

The news that Hunter Biden pled guilty to misdemeanor tax crimes in a sweetheart deal with the US Attorney in Delaware, and would likely have gun charges dismissed pending conditions, was swallowed up by continued coverage of the search and rescue operation.

Also buried by the Titan saga was the testimony of John Durham before the US House, in which he revealed that FBI heads knew that Hillary Clinton was behind the Russia collusion hoax of the 2016 election, but had not given that information to the agents working the case.

The Biden White House has a long history of using TikTokers and social media influencers to get their message out for everything from pushing vaccines during the Covid pandemic to how they want the war in Ukraine discussed. In 2022, White House press secretary Jen Psaki pushed disinformation on influencers, telling them that it was fact Russia that "hacked" the 2016 election.

Thursday

The Coast Guard discovered the debris field of the Titan, nearly 1600 feet from the Titanic. It was found by the remote operated vehicle. The Coast Guard then told press that the submersible had "imploded" shortly after losing contact on Sunday.

The debris field contained the rear cover and landing frame of the craft, confirming that the submersible lay in pieces on the ocean floor. The Coast Guard reported that all 5 of those aboard had lost their lives.

It was also revealed, after the deaths were recorded, that the US Navy had heard the explosion on Sunday, reported it to the Coast Guard, and that the Biden administration spent 4 days sending messages of hope for a rescue, desoite knowing fully that all hope was lost.

Former US Naval Captain of the ship attacked in Yemen in 2000 or so said today that we have a vast array of sound detection devices lining the ocean floor in that area to detect submarine movements. That is what was used to detect the possible implosion of the Titan.

However, he also said that under no circumstances could you ever use that info alone to confirm an implosion, b/c lots of undersea noises travel hundreds or even thousands of miles, and many are misinterpreted. He said the info was passed on immediately to the USCG Incident Commander, but that's why they never announced it to the press. No real confirmation was available until the submersible discovered the debris field in front of the Titanic's bow.

Deborah Grattan’s Facebook post from 2013 goes viral for haunting dream resemblance to Titanic tragedy

Quote:An old Facebook post by Deborah Grattan, an Irish musician and DJ, is currently causing a stir on the internet as it goes viral for a bizarre dream similar to the Titanic submersible tragedy.

Deborah Grattan Facebook post from 2013 goes viral for dream similarities to the Titanic tragedy
Posted almost a decade ago, the post describes a chilling dream that bears an eerie resemblance to the tragic events of the Titanic. Deborah recounts her vision of a thrill-seeking billionaire who launches submarine trips to the Titanic, only to encounter a devastating tragedy during its maiden voyage.

The astonishing accuracy of Deborah’s dream has left people perplexed and sparked discussions about its potential as a captivating movie premise, CNBC TV 18 reported.

In her chilling nightmare, Grattan wrote, “Had a weird dream that an evil billionaire started doing submarine trips down to Titanic and somehow pumped water out of parts of it, but then it turned to disaster on its maiden outing… prob make a good movie…”

On June 18, the alarming report of the disappearance of the Titan submarine emerged, leading to an urgent and prioritized search and rescue operation. Despite extensive efforts spanning nearly four days, the US Coast Guard made a solemn discovery near the Titanic wreckage: remnants of the submarine.

This grim finding provided confirmation that all five individuals on board had tragically perished as a result of a catastrophic implosion caused by the immense pressures of the deep sea. Remarkably, this incident bears striking resemblances to the dream Deborah had a decade ago.

Although it may not have been the first voyage of the Titan submarine, the remarkable precision with which it paralleled Deborah’s dream—featuring an adventurous billionaire, submarine expeditions to explore the Titanic, and a disastrous outcome—has left the world astounded.

Public reaction to the post and Deborah’s heartfelt response
This extraordinary coincidence has thrust Deborah into the limelight, garnering widespread attention and discussion. Users in the comment section have been prompted to share their reactions to the viral post, further adding to the buzz surrounding the topic.

One person exclaimed, “That’s mad. The whole thing is mad to be honest. It’s like a live Hollywood movie and the whole world is watching.”

While another user pointed out that the post indeed was unedited and absolutely original.

“girl…. I checked to see if she edited this for clout but she didn’t, that’s a wild dream to have,” the user wrote.

As the post gained immense traction and the gravity of the situation became apparent, Deborah took it upon herself to express her deep sorrow and grief over the devastating loss. In a heartfelt message, she conveyed the weight of her emotions, reflecting the profound impact the tragedy had on her.

(06-23-2023 04:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Former US Naval Captain of the ship attacked in Yemen in 2000 or so said today that we have a vast array of sound detection devices lining the ocean floor in that area to detect submarine movements. That is what was used to detect the possible implosion of the Titan.

However, he also said that under no circumstances could you ever use that info alone to confirm an implosion, b/c lots of undersea noises travel hundreds or even thousands of miles, and many are misinterpreted. He said the info was passed on immediately to the USCG Incident Commander, but that's why they never announced it to the press. No real confirmation was available until the submersible discovered the debris field in front of the Titanic's bow.

Good post. Imagine the blowback if the US announced the implosion prematurely, and they were wrong.

(06-23-2023 04:35 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  I have to say one of my favorite things ever is seeing idiots mess with wildlife that goes horribly wrong. If you are dumb enough to try and pet a wild lion and it rips you into shreds and there is a video of it, I will watch and laugh at the moron who did it.

Sebastian Harris, youngest person ever to explore the Titanic wreck, details how he lost consciousness during ‘dangerous’ expedition

Quote:The youngest diver to visit the wreckage of the Titanic recalled how he briefly lost consciousness during his historic 2005 journey — and noted the “inherently dangerous” nature of the trip in the wake of the OceanGate submersible disaster.

Sebastian Harris, son of Titanic expedition leader G. Michael Harris, was just 13 when he, his dad and a pilot went to the depths of the sea.

“During our dive, we had a small safety issue. Suddenly our oxygen levels started to drop and I fell unconscious while we were diving down,” Harris told The Sun during the search for the lost Oceangate vessel last week.

“Fortunately my father and our pilot did not experience the same issue, otherwise it may have been fatal,” adding, “but these sorts of small issues can and do happen with regularity, so the certification and safety of these vehicles is so important,” he said.

Five people, including Oceangate CEO Stockton Rush, were killed when the submersible imploded while trying to reach the Titanic site.

“These activities are inherently dangerous,” Harris said. “A 13-year-old doesn’t really have a sense of their own morality, so I was blissfully ignorant to a degree, but in different circumstances that could’ve ended in tragedy.”

With his father, Harris traveled 12,850 feet below the surface of the North Atlantic Ocean to explore the Titanic’s remains.

The 12-hour trip, which was on a Russian Mir II submersible, earned him a Guinness World Record due to his young age.

He spoke about the preventative measures aboard his vessel, the Mir, which were absent from the OceanGate Expeditions one, such as the dog hatch and tracking devices.

“The Mir I dove in had a dog hatch at the top of the submarine, which from my understanding is there if you need to open it at the surface and there’s enough time for two or three people to get out,” he told the outlet.

“But what we’re dealing with in the Titan, there’s no dog hatch, you are placed in an open cylinder and then bolted into place. That isn’t consistent with submersible safety standards and it would’ve made [any potential] rescue very, very challenging.”

His father and his colleagues had a near catastrophic incident while diving the Titanic — but he still took the exhibition.

“What happened was they basically came up to the surface in very rough seas and the large ship, their main ship, landed on top of the submarine and it was a very bad deal,” he said.

However, he said he would never have step foot on the Titan.

“I can’t say that I would go on it, no,” he said. “The Mir submersible I went on had several hundred dives logged before we set off.”

He said the industry should use the tragedy as a teaching moment and that the passengers are not to blame.

“I think the biggest takeaway from all this is anybody who is interested in this kind of tourism needs to do their due diligence and kind of take their safety into their own hands and have a very clear understanding of what they’re dealing with,” he stated.

“There’s no blame to be had on the four individuals [aboard the Titan] in any way, shape, or form, but I think if one good thing comes from all this, it’s just like the sinking of the Titanic was super impactful on maritime safety regulations, that something similar happens here too.”

I posted this in another thread, thought it was interesting if not tactful.

(06-22-2023 09:17 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 09:02 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Some of you are being terribly insensitive. Lives were lost here.

Stupid people die everyday and we still call them stupid.

So because some people made presumably a bad decision, it's okay for you to make light of their death? Come on man, show some respect, some families just lost their loved ones.

(06-22-2023 08:10 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Okay Biden is either a blithering idiot or a mastermind of covering things up. He’s not both of these things so pick a narrative.

He is a blithering idiot and his handlers are masterminds at covering things up.

Never trust the government regardless of who occupies the White House.

There is a reason 6 of the 8 wealthiest counties in the country are located in DC suburbs. This despite the fact they produce nothing of value.

The federal government is a parasite and its host is sick.

This terrible incident only magnifies the sad fact you can’t trust anything our government says even in times of tragedy.

OceanGate CEO hired college interns to design Titan sub’s electrical systems: report

Quote:Stockton Rush, the founder and CEO of OceanGate, hired college interns to design the electrical systems for the ill-fated Titan submersible, according to an exclusive report by the New Yorker.

OceanGate CEO used college interns to design the electrical systems for the ill-fated Titan submersible
Tragically, the submersible resulted in the loss of Stockton Rush’s life and four others. The report claims that Rush disregarded safety warnings and charged affluent tourists $250,000 for dives to the Titanic shipwreck. Rush enlisted students from Washington State University (WSU) to assist with the crucial systems, as detailed in the article.

“The whole electrical system — that was our design, we implemented it, and it works,” a former intern told the college paper in February 2018.

“We are on the precipice of making history and all of our systems are going down to the Titanic. It is an awesome feeling!” he added.

The New Yorker also disclosed that OceanGate’s former director of marine operations and chief pilot expressed concerns about the safety of the Titan in 2018, referring to it as a “lemon.”

The report further mentioned that Mark Walsh, a former student who was once the treasurer of WSU’s Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers club, shared that OceanGate’s director of engineering, Tony Nissen, discussed some of the company’s difficulties during that time, according to the college’s publication.

Student volunteers and interns collaborated on electrical solutions for OceanGate’s Titan sub
The former student told the paper that he and fellow students volunteered to offer their own solutions.

“Tony said, ‘OK, you’re hired,’” said Walsh, a 2017 graduate in electrical engineering. He later joined OceanGate full-time as the company’s electrical engineering lead.

“If electrons flow through it, I’m in charge of it,” he told the WSU paper with a laugh. Walsh added that he was managing a team of five, including Nissen and two WSU interns.

“I like that we have a close relationship with WSU Everett because the interns have been so great,” Walsh said. “They’ve been taught right at WSU Everett, so this summer we’re going to be hiring more.”

WSU told local news outlet the Everett Herald on June 2022t that “it does not have an alliance with OceanGate.

“We are aware that some of our graduates have worked at OceanGate. To our knowledge, one graduate currently works there. We are not privy to what OceanGate projects WSU Everett alumni have been involved in or what their roles may have been outside of publicly available information,” WSU added.

While I empathize with the loss of life, it's getting harder to not to say that Rush's clumsiness is why he paid for it with his own life. What the Hell is he doing? And taking innocent people with him. If I believed in God in the way of many of you, I'd say he'd be getting harsh judgement in the afterlife.