The 7 have very little leverage, and I really have no idea why UVA, Va Tech or NC State believes they're any more valuable than the rest of the ACC.

(06-03-2023 05:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 05:04 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 05:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 04:57 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 11:35 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Think you better study up on FSU and academics. They are a top 20 public school now. Definitely not an issue getting into the BIG because of that

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1. Pedigree is not the same as academics. FSU is a good school, but it was a school for women until the late 40s.
2. US News is not the metric for "academics" that anyone in leadership a research university cares at.

Good luck, I repeat that to the board every year at least once and in 12 years it hasn't stopped collective group think ignorance yet! US News & WR gauges the best value for an undergraduate education. They factor in the academic rating of the school vs the cost of the school and basically offer what Consumer Reports used to publish annually for all other main consumer products (maybe they still do I just haven't checked in some time).

Good luck with what? Refuting your non sequitur?

1. I was replying to your claim about USNews & WR not being a serious academic gauge and agreeing. Hardly a non-sequitur.

2. You never end a sentence with a preposition (at). Didn't they teach you that at Purdue?

FYI all the cool English grammarians say it’s perfectly fine to end sentences with prepositions. It’s been that way for about a century. As Winston Churchill said about the silly “rule” which has no place outside of Latin: "That is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put."

(06-03-2023 09:15 PM)esayem Wrote:  GaTech may as well be a military academy in ATL for all intents and purposes.

Careful, Mack Brown's boys in the bashful baby blue just went 0-2 against Geoff Collins teams. What does that say for the House Choo-Choo built if they can't beat GT playing at its all time worst?

(06-03-2023 09:43 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 09:30 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 08:47 PM)Porcine Wrote:  A&M and FSU should play for the Jan Brady Trophy.

Arkansas hasn’t ended the season in the top 20 since A&M joined the SEC. Perhaps that’s due to your 1-10 record against the Aggies? If A&M and FSU are Jan Brady, then you must be Jan Brady’s makeup artist.

Little brother trash talk is hilarious.

It's his schtick. I still think he's Bud Peterson. It would explain an awful lot.

(06-03-2023 10:28 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 10:24 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 09:57 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 09:42 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 09:22 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Give me a break on FSU being a middle of the road team in the sec perennially. They've competed just fine vs the SEC without that sec money and recruiting advantage .

Alabama is worlds apart all time from anyone else in the sec. No other team in there is worlds better than FSU .

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National titles by SEC programs since 2006:

Georgia: 21, 22
LSU: 07, 19
UF: 06, 08
Auburn: 10

Georgia has a higher average final poll rating than Alabama over the past 5 years. Saban has won 1 title in those same past 5 years, the same number as Ed Orgeron and Dabo, and 1 less than Kirby. I’m not surprised that you don’t know this though, you guys haven’t given your fans much to get excited about for awhile.

Saban had the best Decade in the history of CFB, but recruiting has changed, everyone has big bags full of money now, and he’s lost his fastball. He’s still a great coach, but he hasn’t been NICK SABAN for awhile. He’ll stutter along for another 5-10 years, he might even win another title, but he won’t dominate again like he did from ‘09 to ‘18.

Where is Texas A&M on the list? Oh yeah you guys are in the other half who attach yourselves to the schools who actually win titles while chanting 'sec sec'! Lol

FSU has done plenty over the years to get fans excited. A&M on the other hand is a nothing that FSU has beaten in all 4 of their matchups

Who broke their strangehold on the titles from 2006-2012 again?

Sure your current coach torpedoed the program and then FSU made a terrible hire to finish the tank job. But give them sec money and recruiting advantages and they'll be just fine. Certainly a&m fan has no leg to stand on when downing the FSU football program



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The ACC could have had Texas & Oklahoma if they wanted them, so why couldn't the ACC pull it off, Ragu??? You guys were able to get in Miami & Louisville, so what happened with Texas & Oklahoma??? ESPN gave them to you on a silver platter and you turned them down. It's why they're in the SEC now, IMO, from what JRsec tells me.

Lies, Texas would have never ever gone to the ACC. Dont believe everything you read or see here. It was always going to be the SEC.

Did you predict 20 years ago that Texas would end up in the SEC? They were one Stanford vote away from joining the Pac in 1990. If they'd gone there, we would probably have been dragged with them, with OU not far behind. No way anybody is leaving that conference, just like nobody is leaving the SEC of today.

(06-04-2023 02:55 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 10:28 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 10:24 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 09:57 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 09:42 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  National titles by SEC programs since 2006:

Georgia: 21, 22
LSU: 07, 19
UF: 06, 08
Auburn: 10

Georgia has a higher average final poll rating than Alabama over the past 5 years. Saban has won 1 title in those same past 5 years, the same number as Ed Orgeron and Dabo, and 1 less than Kirby. I’m not surprised that you don’t know this though, you guys haven’t given your fans much to get excited about for awhile.

Saban had the best Decade in the history of CFB, but recruiting has changed, everyone has big bags full of money now, and he’s lost his fastball. He’s still a great coach, but he hasn’t been NICK SABAN for awhile. He’ll stutter along for another 5-10 years, he might even win another title, but he won’t dominate again like he did from ‘09 to ‘18.

Where is Texas A&M on the list? Oh yeah you guys are in the other half who attach yourselves to the schools who actually win titles while chanting 'sec sec'! Lol

FSU has done plenty over the years to get fans excited. A&M on the other hand is a nothing that FSU has beaten in all 4 of their matchups

Who broke their strangehold on the titles from 2006-2012 again?

Sure your current coach torpedoed the program and then FSU made a terrible hire to finish the tank job. But give them sec money and recruiting advantages and they'll be just fine. Certainly a&m fan has no leg to stand on when downing the FSU football program



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The ACC could have had Texas & Oklahoma if they wanted them, so why couldn't the ACC pull it off, Ragu??? You guys were able to get in Miami & Louisville, so what happened with Texas & Oklahoma??? ESPN gave them to you on a silver platter and you turned them down. It's why they're in the SEC now, IMO, from what JRsec tells me.

Lies, Texas would have never ever gone to the ACC. Dont believe everything you read or see here. It was always going to be the SEC.

Did you predict 20 years ago that Texas would end up in the SEC? They were one Stanford vote away from joining the Pac in 1990. If they'd gone there, we would probably have been dragged with them, with OU not far behind. No way anybody is leaving that conference, just like nobody is leaving the SEC of today.

20 years ago I wasnt on any realignment boards and didnt care much about it.

There we go again with believing anything and everything you hear. I dont think Texas was ever just “one vote” away from the PAC. Sorry.

(06-04-2023 02:52 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 09:57 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 09:42 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 09:22 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 09:15 PM)esayem Wrote:  Big Ten will not invite VaTech and State, and GaTech may as well be a military academy in ATL for all intents and purposes. Go ahead and pluck Miami playing off campus in an NFL stadium. That’s super Big Ten right there. UCLA is the new norm?

The fact of the matter is those programs work where they are, and that’s why they’re there. Florida State might be the exception and could be a middle of the road SEC team or a weird fetish Big Ten team like their new additions, but they are where they are, in this current situation, for a reason. It’s destiny, folks.

Give me a break on FSU being a middle of the road team in the sec perennially. They've competed just fine vs the SEC without that sec money and recruiting advantage .

Alabama is worlds apart all time from anyone else in the sec. No other team in there is worlds better than FSU .

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National titles by SEC programs since 2006:

Georgia: 21, 22
LSU: 07, 19
UF: 06, 08
Auburn: 10

Georgia has a higher average final poll rating than Alabama over the past 5 years. Saban has won 1 title in those same past 5 years, the same number as Ed Orgeron and Dabo, and 1 less than Kirby. I’m not surprised that you don’t know this though, you guys haven’t given your fans much to get excited about for awhile.

Saban had the best Decade in the history of CFB, but recruiting has changed, everyone has big bags full of money now, and he’s lost his fastball. He’s still a great coach, but he hasn’t been NICK SABAN for awhile. He’ll stutter along for another 5-10 years, he might even win another title, but he won’t dominate again like he did from ‘09 to ‘18.

Where is Texas A&M on the list? Oh yeah you guys are in the other half who attach yourselves to the schools who actually win titles while chanting 'sec sec'! Lol

FSU has done plenty over the years to get fans excited. A&M on the other hand is a nothing that FSU has beaten in all 4 of their matchups

Who broke their strangehold on the titles from 2006-2012 again?

Sure your current coach torpedoed the program and then FSU made a terrible hire to finish the tank job. But give them sec money and recruiting advantages and they'll be just fine. Certainly a&m fan has no leg to stand on when downing the FSU football program



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You're awfully confident. Good thing for you that Bowden wasn't so confident or you guys might very well have won 0 instead of 3 over the past 30+ years.

Bowden: “They did want us, they did invite us to join the SEC. Everybody thought we would join. In fact, I thought we would but our administration — the president and others — wanted the ACC, which really was better for us. It would have been hard wading through that SEC. Too many good teams in there, boy. Oh, gosh. Oh, that would have been some great ball.”

I can respond to this since its about realignment and Fsu is one of the 7. It's on topic

I had family at Fsu during this. FSU did want into the sec at first. The acc paid out more at the time and courted them harder. The sec also wasn't the power it is back then that it is now

The Bowden stuff is used alot but in reality the sec came in last minute after the acc stuff was pretty much done. It wasn't a very strong courtship . Also FSU was on the level of any sec program then or beyond.

Miami was the one who got us. Also FSU was still playing Miami and Florida every year who were powers. And scheduling other good teams ooc like Notre Dame.

Again the sec wasn't a huge power in the early 90s. Acting like they were the same then as now is revisionist history and wrong . Didn't win a title from 81-91. Won a few the 10 years before that but even 2 of them were split disputed . Their big run was the 06-12 run and beyond now.

Imagine if the 4 team playoff mulligan era was around then? Would have even more titles not less . Would help with those near Miami misses to get a shot. 87-2000 were all top 5 finishes with more shots in this era's rules

This isn't even mentioning that a&m wasn't sec until pretty recently so you had ample time to make noise and win titles. Yet you didn't

FSU and UNC will definitely be added to one of the p2 whenever crap hits the fan.
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(06-03-2023 04:59 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 11:48 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  I think the B1G grabbing a few southern teams would be HUGE in terms of the proverbial 'shot across the bow' towards the SEC... I remember all the stink stirred up when Harbaugh had a football camp down here a few years back (can't remember exact location, but...) it was not well received in SEC-land... We are pretty territorial 'round these parts, y'all...

I don't think that the B1G gives a crap about firing a "shot across the bow" towards the SEC, because the college realignment isn't the board game Risk. They would take Georgia Tech or Miami to get into Georgia/Florida/Atlanta/Miami, not to make some point to the SEC.

Well, IMO the B1G doesn't add USC and UCLA if the SEC hadn't added TX and OU. I think that was a response to the SEC.

Of course, I've been wrong before.

(06-03-2023 09:06 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 07:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  IMO, the seven have little leverage presently concerning bettering their ACC related income due to the ironclad GOR which does not expire for 13 years.

They used the little leverage they have today to get the extra $$ from bowls and NCAA $. Bought them some $$ and time going forward. Their potential leverage only increases with time.

Did they get extra $$ or the potential extra $$ available to any ACC member?

The sec jumping to 24 with 8 ACC schools makes more sense than a full merger

(06-03-2023 08:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The “Keep the Big 10 out of the South” expansion package looks like this:

UVA, VT, UNC, NC St, Clemson, GT, Fla St, Miami

I agree. The Magnificent 7 + 1

(06-04-2023 09:30 AM)bluesox Wrote:  The sec jumping to 24 with 8 ACC schools makes more sense than a full merger

Agree.

The SECret 7, Duke and Georgia Tech are by far the most realistic possibilities

(06-03-2023 11:14 PM)Poster Wrote:  The 7 have very little leverage, and I really have no idea why UVA, Va Tech or NC State believes they're any more valuable than the rest of the ACC.

It takes 8 to have real leverage. That said they did what the wanted to do.

(06-04-2023 02:38 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  FSU attendance by game 2022 (11-3 record, finished ranked #11)

Duquesne 51k
BC 79k
#22 WF 69k
#4 Clemson 71k
GT 61k
Louisiana 58k
Florida 79k

You guys were 8k short of a sellout against CLEMSON. Avg attendance was actually 67k. You guys averaged 12k less than a sellout during your best season since 2016.

Texas A&M attendance by game 2022 (5-7 record, worst season since 2009)

Sam Houston 97k
App St 92k
#13 Miami 107k
#15 Ole Miss 101k
Florida 97k
UMass 90k
#5 LSU 93k

Average attendance 96k (sellout is 102, we went over sellout for Miami). So, 6k less than a sellout during our worst season in 13 years, and we averaged 29k more attendance per game than FSU. If you guys had a 100k seat stadium, you'd just have a bunch of empty seats all the time.

FSU packed in all of 51k for the first game of the season against a patsy. We had 90k for UMass when we had just lost 6 in a row and were on the tail end of a monumentally disappointing season.

If the SEC had to choose one of A&M or FSU, they'd choose A&M, and it wouldn't even be close. Jimbo left FSU because he knew that you guys weren't investing like you needed to if you wanted to keep up with SEC programs. That hasn't changed, though it might start to change now. I think that your AD is doing a great job of building a sense of urgency with your donor base, he needs to keep that up if you guys want to start competing again year in and year out.

The Florida State program 'invests.' Everything Jimbo Fisher requested is in place. The most important macro achievement has been better integration of the booster organisation with the university.

As for attendance, the Tallahassee location presents travel challenges for Florida State alumni that aren't typical for every campus. Most Florida State alumni work in larger urban areas downstate. Figure a drive of 6-10 hours between getting off of work on Friday at 5 and a tailgate party at Doak. Fans have to work that out somehow.

For this reason the Seminoles have long preferred Saturday night kickoffs for home games over earlier times. What the locals want, though, is not always what the TV people want.

Basically: When the team wins many more of us do make the trip. When it struggles, a lot of us still make the trip but pack a good book for reading in the stands. Fans who opt out save their money for a better day and check on the games from cookouts on the beaches of Sarasota or Fort Lauderdale. Life's still good. We do OK.

Few Seminole fans bear any animosity toward Texas AM. If you're happy with your ticket sales, we are.

(06-04-2023 10:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 11:14 PM)Poster Wrote:  The 7 have very little leverage, and I really have no idea why UVA, Va Tech or NC State believes they're any more valuable than the rest of the ACC.

It takes 8 to have real leverage. That said they did what the wanted to do.

They did what they wanted to do, I'm sure, because they had more than 7.

As the meeting began, seven names got published.

(06-04-2023 10:09 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(06-04-2023 10:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 11:14 PM)Poster Wrote:  The 7 have very little leverage, and I really have no idea why UVA, Va Tech or NC State believes they're any more valuable than the rest of the ACC.

It takes 8 to have real leverage. That said they did what the wanted to do.

They did what they wanted to do, I'm sure, because they had more than 7.

As the meeting began, seven names got published.

I expect that might be true, Though outside of the 7 I have no idea why anyone would prefer a breakup. Even a couple of the 7 could have been outside looking in.

(06-04-2023 09:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 04:59 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 11:48 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  I think the B1G grabbing a few southern teams would be HUGE in terms of the proverbial 'shot across the bow' towards the SEC... I remember all the stink stirred up when Harbaugh had a football camp down here a few years back (can't remember exact location, but...) it was not well received in SEC-land... We are pretty territorial 'round these parts, y'all...

I don't think that the B1G gives a crap about firing a "shot across the bow" towards the SEC, because the college realignment isn't the board game Risk. They would take Georgia Tech or Miami to get into Georgia/Florida/Atlanta/Miami, not to make some point to the SEC.

Well, IMO the B1G doesn't add USC and UCLA if the SEC hadn't added TX and OU. I think that was a response to the SEC.

Of course, I've been wrong before.

...yep - I mean it's not the SOLE factor, but... it IS of interest to both parties when the 'general assumed territory' is breached... ...ask your typical PAC fan (non USCLA) how they feel about the B1G coming in and breaking up the party... same with remaining BigXII folks regarding the SEC's 'acquisition' of OUT...

I will note that Miami is a weird 'outlier', as they would seem to be a better fit in the B1G than the SEC... ...and you could make the same argument for GT... Tech will always have that 'bad history' with the SEC working against them... GT alum Bill Curry was never accepted as HC at Bama, although he was a decent coach - not a Bear or Sa-Bear, or really even a Stallings (although closer to GS than one would think).

I would love to see GT back in the SEC, as an Aubie, if anything to bring back the Wreck Tech Pajama Parades...

(06-04-2023 10:13 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I expect that might be true, Though outside of the 7 I have no idea why anyone would prefer a breakup. Even a couple of the 7 could have been outside looking in.

Maybe that "couple" (NC State? Virginia Tech?) know more than we do?

I'd say it's much more likely than not that the SECret 7 has made contact with Greg Sankey and ESPN

(06-03-2023 10:48 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I feel like the 7 are done. They got what they wanted, uneven revenue split.

It’s peanuts over the course of the next decade vs the massive increasing disparity vs the P2.

(06-04-2023 10:35 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(06-04-2023 10:13 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I expect that might be true, Though outside of the 7 I have no idea why anyone would prefer a breakup. Even a couple of the 7 could have been outside looking in.

Maybe that "couple" (NC State? Virginia Tech?) know more than we do?

I'd say it's much more likely than not that the SECret 7 has made contact with Greg Sankey and ESPN

It is possible, it is also possible that aliens live in NY city sewer lines. ESPN gains nothing with an ACC break up. Odds that Big/SEC add 8 ACC schools isn't very big.
Not impossible mind you, but not probable. I think Big will want 2 from the west, And ESPN gains nothing on BIG taking it's ACC property. For ESPN the status quo is the best possible thing for now.

All of the 7+ schools would have a home, but why would the lesser wish for a jump to B12 with more travel and basically same $$.

Lets assume Big added 2 west and 4 east, and SEC added 6 ACC schools. ESPN loses rights to 4 schools and pays much more for the 6 it keeps. The other 4 likely end up in B12 where they only get 2/3 of their games. ESPN loses on that deal. cost more for less inventory.