ASU to the AAU is huge.

ASU is the more desirable of the two Arizona schools for the B1G (Phoenix market). I am sure they have eclipsed Cal as a 4th Western team

I also don't see the B1G taking Wash and Or and not taking Stanford - Stanford is too prestigious to let stand alone in the San Fran area market

Would they take those three and the two from Arizona?

Leaving Colorado for the B12 (and yes maybe Utah)

If Colorado joins, the B12 should say we have 3 spots remaining - AZ, ASU, OR, WSU, UT - who wants in

(06-02-2023 09:52 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Like everyone else, they are waiting for Kliavkoff to present the media deal options.

Utah and most of the 4C are in wait and see mode. Colorado is the most open minded to realignment but still wont jump will they see the Pac media deal options.

The delay in the PAC TV contract has lead to suspicion that a. Any potential offers aren’t good and/or b. Oregon and UW won’t sign the contract under any circumstances.

Some reports indicate that Colorado might be tired of waiting, and ready to jump already.

(06-02-2023 12:59 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  ASU to the AAU is huge.

ASU is the more desirable of the two Arizona schools for the B1G (Phoenix market). I am sure they have eclipsed Cal as a 4th Western team

I also don't see the B1G taking Wash and Or and not taking Stanford - Stanford is too prestigious to let stand alone in the San Fran area market

Would they take those three and the two from Arizona?

Leaving Colorado for the B12 (and yes maybe Utah)

Adding Stanford, AZ, AZ State, and Colorado would be 4. And would leave enough schools behind that the PAC would not dissolve.

If anyone at U of U has a brain, they better be in close communication with Boulder, Tucson, and Tempe and working in concert with them. If the Utes aren’t careful, their pride is going to land them in the MWC with Wash St and Ore St

(06-02-2023 12:08 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 11:41 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Utah is worth more to a Conference without BYU, and a Conference without BYU is worth more to Utah.

I’m sure this maxim sounded good in your head, but it’s nonsensical when applied to the B12

For a conference like the ACC that automatically garners an in-footprint carriage fee, duplicating schools in markets isn’t a good financial idea. It shouldn’t however require repetitive explanation that the B12 TV deal is not now and never has been market-driven or monetized based on market coverage. Anybody who says that the B12 is disincentivized to double up on markets has no understanding of how any of this works.

In a non-market driven conference, there is an opportunity to pair up the most remote school in the conference with a nearby neighbor thus reducing travel costs.

There is an opportunity to add what would be as the 13th member the #1 research school in the conference, the current top-ranked preseason football school in the conference, and the #2 Director’s Cup school in the conference (a few points behind #1 BYU). And also provide the only marquis sports rivalry in the conference.

The BigXII would absolutely be better served by having both. Utah may be a small fish in the CFB world, but BYU-Utah would be the top billing across the breadth of sports in the B12 by a wide margin.

What is the Big XII tv deal based on jrj???

(06-02-2023 10:09 AM)esayem Wrote:  Colorado success under Prime is all speculative, and personally I think he’ll do well. But nobody can pretend losing Colorado will hurt their overall conference performance because they’ve had the worst overall record since they joined.

If he does well just how long do you think he will stay there? He likes the spotlight. You think Boulder is anywhere close to the spotlight?

(06-02-2023 10:45 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 09:52 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Like everyone else, they are waiting for Kliavkoff to present the media deal options.

Utah and most of the 4C are in wait and see mode. Colorado is the most open minded to realignment but still wont jump will they see the Pac media deal options.

Do you really think that all the PAC schools are patiently waiting to see what the various media offers are? Surely they have already seen them and are just hoping Kliavkoff can somehow creatively improve them. I think he's on the clock, and we'll either see some movement or a commitment to stay together before July.

If they have seen them, and they are horrible as a you believe, why haven't schools jumped to the B12 already?

(06-05-2023 07:42 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 10:09 AM)esayem Wrote:  Colorado success under Prime is all speculative, and personally I think he’ll do well. But nobody can pretend losing Colorado will hurt their overall conference performance because they’ve had the worst overall record since they joined.

If he does well just how long do you think he will stay there? He likes the spotlight. You think Boulder is anywhere close to the spotlight?

Colorado hired someone with a big name, but no coaching chops in FBS to even run a team in a P5 conference. He will just fizzles to an 0-12 seasons before getting canned.

(06-05-2023 07:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 07:42 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 10:09 AM)esayem Wrote:  Colorado success under Prime is all speculative, and personally I think he’ll do well. But nobody can pretend losing Colorado will hurt their overall conference performance because they’ve had the worst overall record since they joined.

If he does well just how long do you think he will stay there? He likes the spotlight. You think Boulder is anywhere close to the spotlight?

Colorado hired someone with a big name, but no coaching chops in FBS to even run a team in a P5 conference. He will just fizzles to an 0-12 seasons before getting canned.

Recruiting is half the battle and his name will draw recruits and transfers. Colorado will at least have a winning season w/in his first two years if he is even modestly subpar or better as a coach. Players win and lose games, and even a substantially bad or good coach is unlikely to swing a win total more than one or two games over a season w/ their decision making.

(06-05-2023 07:19 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 12:08 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 11:41 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Utah is worth more to a Conference without BYU, and a Conference without BYU is worth more to Utah.

I’m sure this maxim sounded good in your head, but it’s nonsensical when applied to the B12

For a conference like the ACC that automatically garners an in-footprint carriage fee, duplicating schools in markets isn’t a good financial idea. It shouldn’t however require repetitive explanation that the B12 TV deal is not now and never has been market-driven or monetized based on market coverage. Anybody who says that the B12 is disincentivized to double up on markets has no understanding of how any of this works.

In a non-market driven conference, there is an opportunity to pair up the most remote school in the conference with a nearby neighbor thus reducing travel costs.

There is an opportunity to add what would be as the 13th member the #1 research school in the conference, the current top-ranked preseason football school in the conference, and the #2 Director’s Cup school in the conference (a few points behind #1 BYU). And also provide the only marquis sports rivalry in the conference.

The BigXII would absolutely be better served by having both. Utah may be a small fish in the CFB world, but BYU-Utah would be the top billing across the breadth of sports in the B12 by a wide margin.

What is the Big XII tv deal based on jrj???

Eyeballs to sell to advertisers.

ESPN and FOX aren’t relying on B12 content to ensure carriage in specific media markets or with cable satellite providers. ESPN and FoX don’t get an “in footprint” rate for carrying B12 content. This is in contrast to the SECN, ACCN, B10N, and P12N which are market/footprint driven.

ESPN and Fox’s have already locked up every market and cable/satellite provider nationally. Those stations are on basic cable in Kansas with our without B12 content. ESPN’s and FOX’s premium programming content (not B12 games) ensures their carriage rate demands are met nationally. There is no dependence on B12 content for boosting carriage rates locally or nationally.

All the rest of the content (including B12 content) is filler that has to bring eyeballs to sell to advertisers.

Market redundancy is a complete non-factor for the B12 which sets it apart from the other conferences that are still monetizing markets through their conference networks.