If the same standards applied to every former president, this wouldn't even be a story.

(06-01-2023 09:19 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Two out of three Americans now believe Trump committed criminal acts. Pretty amazing when the likely Republican nominee is viewed as a criminal by 2/3s of the population. I guess that hardcore 33% that are pro Trump no matter what, no matter what he says no matter what he does, no matter how despicable of a person he continues to be, make up the rest.

https://navigatorresearch.org/two-in-thr...d-a-crime/

Looks like the media did its job. Well, for those that actually believe all the media noise.

So the current DOJ, appointed by Joe Biden, who had classified documents laying around in a garage, is going to indict a former POTUS and rival for 2024 over the same moronic decision?

I don't care if he denied a subpoena. That doesn't prove Trump's intent to hide documents. It's more of a "constitutional crisis" than actual lawbreaking.

You cannot preach about ethics and following the law when your guy is a hypocritical POS who did the same thing.

And in other news ........

Biden proves yet again that he doesn't have any "big beautiful brain waves" - or small ones either.

(06-01-2023 10:05 AM)appst89 Wrote:  If the same standards applied to every former president, this wouldn't even be a story.

And that’s the bottom line.

These whack job lib hacks obviously hate Trump so their microscope on him is the size of a city block and will do ANYTHING - legal or not - to besmirch him

(06-01-2023 09:19 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Two out of three Americans now believe Trump committed criminal acts. Pretty amazing when the likely Republican nominee is viewed as a criminal by 2/3s of the population. I guess that hardcore 33% that are pro Trump no matter what, no matter what he says no matter what he does, no matter how despicable of a person he continues to be, make up the rest.

https://navigatorresearch.org/two-in-thr...d-a-crime/

and yet he STILL out-polls Biden

(06-01-2023 09:59 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 09:42 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 08:23 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Trump is heard on tape admitting he took classified documents which remain classified .... so he can't share that information he says. Admits he can no longer declassify because he's not president. The recording picks up the sounds of rustling papers. Possibly classified documents he waving around. This isn't going well for the stable genius LOL

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65775163

Wow. Common sense is a lost asset. Yes, now that he is no longer president, he also can no longer sign acts of congress into law. Does this mean acts of law that were signed when he was president are no longer law? No folks, I’m afraid it doesn’t work that way. Democrats seem to struggle with basic common sense.

That analogy is wafer thin...and isn't even remotely common sense.

Trump admitted that as an ex-president—-he can no longer declassify documents. What’s wafer thin is to pretend that admission of the obvious extends to his time as president. Jeez......talk about making my case for a lack of common sense among Democrats.

That's not what anyone was talking about. I assume Tiger only mentioned that to show that trump knew the doc was still classified when one of his claims originally seemed to be that he declassified everything as president just by thinking it and not following the set procedures. And this should be evident by the thread title.

(06-01-2023 10:11 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  So the current DOJ, appointed by Joe Biden, who had classified documents laying around in a garage, is going to indict a former POTUS and rival for 2024 over the same moronic decision?

I don't care if he denied a subpoena. That doesn't prove Trump's intent to hide documents. It's more of a "constitutional crisis" than actual lawbreaking.

You cannot preach about ethics and following the law when your guy is a hypocritical POS who did the same thing.

I seem to recall a few years ago a President was asking questions about someone who was a potential political opponent was considered a bad thing, but political hit jobs like this aren't..

(06-01-2023 10:05 AM)appst89 Wrote:  If the same standards applied to every former president, this wouldn't even be a story.

If trump had returned ALL the documents the moment they were found/made known...like Biden and Pence...this wouldn't even be a story.

He. Didn't.

And we don't even know really whether there was any intent whatsoever by Biden and Pence to knowingly take these documents. That doesn't appear to be the case with trump.

(06-01-2023 10:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:05 AM)appst89 Wrote:  If the same standards applied to every former president, this wouldn't even be a story.

If trump had returned ALL the documents the moment they were found/made known...like Biden and Pence...this wouldn't even be a story.

He. Didn't.

And we don't even know really whether there was any intent whatsoever by Biden and Pence to knowingly take these documents. That doesn't appear to be the case with trump.

If the same standards applied to every former president, this wouldn't even be a story.

Biden and Pence were not president at the time.

(06-01-2023 11:18 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:05 AM)appst89 Wrote:  If the same standards applied to every former president, this wouldn't even be a story.

If trump had returned ALL the documents the moment they were found/made known...like Biden and Pence...this wouldn't even be a story.

He. Didn't.

And we don't even know really whether there was any intent whatsoever by Biden and Pence to knowingly take these documents. That doesn't appear to be the case with trump.

If the same standards applied to every former president, this wouldn't even be a story.

Biden and Pence were not president at the time.

Tom keeps conveniently overlooking that

I doubt this is true since we’ve ‘been there done that’ with Russia collusion leaks that we found later to be fabrications but only done to create narratives, but even if it’s true it’s amazing that only Republicans and conservatives have their conversations often taped but rarely do you see Dems having their conversations recorded.

(06-01-2023 10:11 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  So the current DOJ, appointed by Joe Biden, who had classified documents laying around in a garage, is going to indict a former POTUS and rival for 2024 over the same moronic decision?

I don't care if he denied a subpoena. That doesn't prove Trump's intent to hide documents. It's more of a "constitutional crisis" than actual lawbreaking.

You cannot preach about ethics and following the law when your guy is a hypocritical POS who did the same thing.

Well, to be fair, they have to prove that he had that intent. If a grand jury thinks there is evidence he may have, then he gets indicted and goes to court. Happens every day in this country.

(06-01-2023 11:20 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:18 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:05 AM)appst89 Wrote:  If the same standards applied to every former president, this wouldn't even be a story.

If trump had returned ALL the documents the moment they were found/made known...like Biden and Pence...this wouldn't even be a story.

He. Didn't.

And we don't even know really whether there was any intent whatsoever by Biden and Pence to knowingly take these documents. That doesn't appear to be the case with trump.

If the same standards applied to every former president, this wouldn't even be a story.

Biden and Pence were not president at the time.

Tom keeps conveniently overlooking that

and that's only the tip of the ice berg.

I don't know much about Pence's files... but Biden's files were left unsecured for 5+ years before their 'discovery'... Any value to them in terms of espionage would have long since passed... but more... any value would have already have been extracted.

People act like this is a Monet that these guys have... They have details that nobody is supposed to have access to.... and it is almost always 'time sensitive'... meaning that if Biden HAD any ill intent with those papers, they had already served their purpose. Similarly, if Trump had... a photocopy or electronic version would have been just as valuable.

The paper itself has no value... it is the information that has value... and the only person I'm aware of who seems to have been undeniably trading on political power or influence or information.... getting money from agents of foreign governments with no clear 'product' in exchange was Hunter... who demonstrably had access to those files.

When I worked with classified on a daily basis, intent didn't matter at the guardhouse door, just possession.

Of the names tossed about here only one was Chief Executive with declassification power when the documents were taken. That matters.

(06-01-2023 11:18 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:05 AM)appst89 Wrote:  If the same standards applied to every former president, this wouldn't even be a story.

If trump had returned ALL the documents the moment they were found/made known...like Biden and Pence...this wouldn't even be a story.

He. Didn't.

And we don't even know really whether there was any intent whatsoever by Biden and Pence to knowingly take these documents. That doesn't appear to be the case with trump.

If the same standards applied to every former president, this wouldn't even be a story.

Biden and Pence were not president at the time.

Okay...so back to Obama...and Bush...and Clinton...and... NONE of them did anything even remotely comparable to trump.

Trying to make this false equivalency is just lazy.

(06-01-2023 11:28 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  I doubt this is true since we’ve ‘been there done that’ with Russia collusion leaks that we found later to be fabrications but only done to create narratives, but even if it’s true it’s amazing that only Republicans and conservatives have their conversations often taped but rarely do you see Dems having their conversations recorded.

From what I read, this was taped at the insistence of trump. Maybe I misread...but pretty sure that was why.

(06-01-2023 11:34 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  When I worked with classified on a daily basis, intent didn't matter at the guardhouse door, just possession.

Of the names tossed about here only one was Chief Executive with declassification power when the documents were taken. That matters.

But trump took and held the documents AFTER he had that power. And there's not evidence of any actual declassification of any of them to my knowledge. If there was, trump would likely have shown it a long time ago.

(06-01-2023 11:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:18 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:05 AM)appst89 Wrote:  If the same standards applied to every former president, this wouldn't even be a story.

If trump had returned ALL the documents the moment they were found/made known...like Biden and Pence...this wouldn't even be a story.

He. Didn't.

And we don't even know really whether there was any intent whatsoever by Biden and Pence to knowingly take these documents. That doesn't appear to be the case with trump.

If the same standards applied to every former president, this wouldn't even be a story.

Biden and Pence were not president at the time.

Okay...so back to Obama...and Bush...and Clinton...and... NONE of them did anything even remotely comparable to trump.

Trying to make this false equivalency is just lazy.

How do you know? You are making a statement of absolute fact and there is no way can know that. You don't know what they did or didn't do because they weren't subjected to the same level of scrutiny.

Trying to treat it differently is just dishonest. But that's to be expected from you.

(06-01-2023 11:34 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  When I worked with classified on a daily basis, intent didn't matter at the guardhouse door, just possession.

Of the names tossed about here only one was Chief Executive with declassification power when the documents were taken. That matters.

Not as much as the Party Affiliation does, obviously.