(05-30-2023 12:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If Disney packs up their theme park, their hotels and all that and the lost of tax dollars by the city? UCF would wind up being stuck for the bill as the city of Orlando would be destroyed thanks for the war between Disney and the Governor. I am not going into the politics of that issue, but UCF is caught in a rock and a hard place right now.

Disney isn't going anywhere.

(05-30-2023 12:45 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 12:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If Disney packs up their theme park, their hotels and all that and the lost of tax dollars by the city? UCF would wind up being stuck for the bill as the city of Orlando would be destroyed thanks for the war between Disney and the Governor. I am not going into the politics of that issue, but UCF is caught in a rock and a hard place right now.

I'm also not going to get into politics but would just like to point out that theme parks don't fit in suitcases.

You never met my ex-wife.

(05-30-2023 12:57 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 12:35 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 02:24 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 02:16 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 02:12 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Orange County tourism tax money is collected from hotel stays. So if you spend the night in Orange County for a UCF game or for the theme parks, visitors pay the tax.

They have funded Venues like Amway Center (Orlando Magic) and World Camping Stadium (Citrus Bowl).

I’m pretty sure we requested this funded in the early 2000s when we were look to build the OCS and got denied. So I wouldn’t get my hopes up.

UCF funded the OCS privately last time and I’d expect that same for the upgrades. But out of due diligence if the money is there you might as well ask.

Orange Count TBT has other requests they are considering too:
- New Baseball Stadium for MLB expansion team $975 M
- Citrus Bowl upgrades $800 M
- Amway Center upgrades $256 M
- UCF Stadium upgrades $176 M

It's 1.4 miles from the Citrus Bowl to UCF. Seems like a colossal waste of money to have 2 large stadiums in such close proximity.

18 miles from UCF Stadium (Main Campus) to Citrus Bowl but yea not that far away. (That's about the same distance as University of Miami to Hard Rock Stadium)

I’m not sure why we don’t destroy the Citrus Bowl. It’s largely vacant most of the year. $800 M for a stadium that hosts 2 Bowl games a year.

Don't forget about Monster Jam...

Full disclosure...I've actually been there for a Monster Jam. The Citrus Bowl is somewhat dumpy and not exactly in an inspiring part of town. UCF's stadium is small but nice...the problem is it's just way too far from the theme parks and touristy parts of Orlando to become a major national venue anytime soon. So they're in a bit of a pickle.

Used to live in Orlando and have been to several events there. OBT is a horrible place to put a stadium in 2023 and the condition prior to the lower deck rebuild was a factor in UCF building the Bounce House. Agree that being in West Bithlo isn't exactly gonna get folks from outside of town and/or the Disney/Universal folks to come up the Greenway to the main campus.

(05-03-2023 04:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-03-2023 04:43 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(05-03-2023 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Why 2 from North Carolina? Because I don't think UNC would go anywhere without either Duke or N.C. State.

Schools are no longer inseparable. It was once thought that Texas & Texas A&M were always a tandem, or Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Who would have thought Missouri would leave its rivalries with Kansas? If UCLA had said no to the Big Ten, would USC have passed as well?

I promise you this will not apply to North Carolina because of how their Board of Regents/Governors or whatever term they go by there is set up. I think Duke could easily move singularly or together as a private. UNC will need to have N.C. State accounted for in ways that Oklahoma didn't have to have Oklahoma State.

If I'm wrong remind me of it should the moves happen and I'll rep you. North Carolina's preference will be to stay and keep the ACC together. They'll only jump if it becomes apparent that option is no longer possible. Then the University System of North Carolina will have profound concerns as to the disposition of N.C. State. And with all of the other State sponsored Universities under their purview money will be the main reason.

(05-31-2023 01:15 PM)whittx Wrote:  Used to live in Orlando and have been to several events there. OBT is a horrible place to put a stadium in 2023 and the condition prior to the lower deck rebuild was a factor in UCF building the Bounce House. Agree that being in West Bithlo isn't exactly gonna get folks from outside of town and/or the Disney/Universal folks to come up the Greenway to the main campus.

I also once lived in Orlando. This is also my experience. The stadium formerly known as the Citrus Bowl definitely needed some help. I haven't been in the renovated version, but it looks good on TV. Or, at least good enough for two bowl games.

I think it's great that UCF has an on-campus stadium. The main UCF campus is a long way from the Citrus Bowl. I've been in it once, but it was about 10 years ago. It was very basic and generic. I don't blame UCF for trying to pay for upgrades any way they can.

BTW...love the west Bithlo reference. Christmas is nearby, also.

(05-30-2023 01:29 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 01:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 12:52 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 12:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If Disney packs up their theme park, their hotels and all that and the lost of tax dollars by the city? UCF would wind up being stuck for the bill as the city of Orlando would be destroyed thanks for the war between Disney and the Governor. I am not going into the politics of that issue, but UCF is caught in a rock and a hard place right now.

Do you honestly believe they will walk away from billions of dollars of infrastructure? Not a chance. They may choose to invest new money elsewhere, but they aren't walking away from any of the Orlando parks.

The city and state already lost a lot of money and jobs that Disney canceled the plans. You don't ever know what Disney would do.

That money hasn't been spent elsewhere... yet. Ultimately I'm sure Disney wants to spend the money in Florida, and probably will once all of this settles down and both sides come to an understanding.

It is a bunch of grandstanding from both sides.

Edit: And again, they aren't closing their parks in Florida. Would just cause the shareholders to throw all the governing board out and replace them with a new board.

Disney canceling the campus likely has a lot to do with the company bleeding cash from streaming platform that is sinking the company. Shut down Disney+ and collect license fees from platforms and get back in the black. Pretty simple

(05-31-2023 10:33 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(05-31-2023 01:15 PM)whittx Wrote:  Used to live in Orlando and have been to several events there. OBT is a horrible place to put a stadium in 2023 and the condition prior to the lower deck rebuild was a factor in UCF building the Bounce House. Agree that being in West Bithlo isn't exactly gonna get folks from outside of town and/or the Disney/Universal folks to come up the Greenway to the main campus.

I also once lived in Orlando. This is also my experience. The stadium formerly known as the Citrus Bowl definitely needed some help. I haven't been in the renovated version, but it looks good on TV. Or, at least good enough for two bowl games.

I think it's great that UCF has an on-campus stadium. The main UCF campus is a long way from the Citrus Bowl. I've been in it once, but it was about 10 years ago. It was very basic and generic. I don't blame UCF for trying to pay for upgrades any way they can.

BTW...love the west Bithlo reference. Christmas is nearby, also.

I've been to Christmas FL. It has to be about the furthest thing from the idea of Christmas (from a secular, festive point of view) that I could ever think of. Peak tourist season there seems to be folks mailing Christmas cards out in early December though.

(05-30-2023 12:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If Disney packs up their theme park, their hotels and all that and the lost of tax dollars by the city? UCF would wind up being stuck for the bill as the city of Orlando would be destroyed thanks for the war between Disney and the Governor. I am not going into the politics of that issue, but UCF is caught in a rock and a hard place right now.

By far the most idiotic statement to day by you. The only thing missing is you saying Boise State is where they are moving the theme parks........ yeesh

(06-01-2023 09:56 AM)otown Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 12:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If Disney packs up their theme park, their hotels and all that and the lost of tax dollars by the city? UCF would wind up being stuck for the bill as the city of Orlando would be destroyed thanks for the war between Disney and the Governor. I am not going into the politics of that issue, but UCF is caught in a rock and a hard place right now.

By far the most idiotic statement to date by you. The only thing missing is you saying Boise State is where they are moving the theme parks........ yeesh

It's certainly in the running...but the competition for that distinction is extraordinary.

(06-01-2023 09:56 AM)otown Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 12:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If Disney packs up their theme park, their hotels and all that and the lost of tax dollars by the city? UCF would wind up being stuck for the bill as the city of Orlando would be destroyed thanks for the war between Disney and the Governor. I am not going into the politics of that issue, but UCF is caught in a rock and a hard place right now.

By far the most idiotic statement to day by you. The only thing missing is you saying Boise State is where they are moving the theme parks........ yeesh

As someone who works with Disney on a daily basis, you’d be surprised how many people say this (and it’s just as idiotic from them too). They aren’t closing parks/resorts. The reduced investment will come peripherally as in the campus they just scrapped. It never made sense and the political excuse helped expedite that decision.

(05-30-2023 01:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 12:52 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 12:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If Disney packs up their theme park, their hotels and all that and the lost of tax dollars by the city? UCF would wind up being stuck for the bill as the city of Orlando would be destroyed thanks for the war between Disney and the Governor. I am not going into the politics of that issue, but UCF is caught in a rock and a hard place right now.

Do you honestly believe they will walk away from billions of dollars of infrastructure? Not a chance. They may choose to invest new money elsewhere, but they aren't walking away from any of the Orlando parks.

The city and state already lost a lot of money and jobs that Disney canceled the plans. You don't ever know what Disney would do.

The most recent Disney park (built in Shanghai in 2016) cost $5.5 billion to build. And that was with partial Chinese ownership (which lowered construction costs by cutting through red tape).

Disney World has 4 parks that are each comparable in size to Shanghai Disney. That's a minimum of $25 billion in 2016 dollars. Add in the 25% inflation since 2016, and that's $31 billion.

There's also 22 Disney-owned resorts with over 30,000 rooms. Disney's newest resort cost $300 million in 2019, and it is one of the smallest Disney resorts (at only 300 rooms). So figure $1,000 per room; that's another $30 billion.

That's $60+ billion just in parks and hotel rooms, without any accompanying infrastructure.

Disney's entire stock value is $162 billion.


There's also a large shopping mall, the ESPN wide world of sports complex, 2 water parks, and all the infrastructure to support it (roads, Monorail, Skyliner, boat transport, utility construction, police, fire, etc). And they'd never be able to recreate it because they'd have to find 25,000 contiguous acres within a short commute of a Southern city large enough to supply 77,000 workers.

And then what would they do with the old parks? Leave them to rot? Or sell them to another operator? Neither option is attractive.

It simply ain't happening.

UCF Presents today for their $176 M bid from the Tourism Development Task Force

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4th Season Ticket Sellout since 2019. Really outgrown this 45k stadium

I would get rid of the Citrus Bowl for it doesn’t make a lot of sense IMO to the two FB stadiums within 20 miles of each other, while using that ground to see if it’s a feasible site for a baseball stadium. Now I really don’t know if Orlando can garner the votes for expansion amongst MLB having a team to the West in Tampa and a few hours South in Miami, but if you don’t build it they will definitely not come. I think Orlando has a better opportunity getting a team to move there than they do getting an expansion team, but who would up and move???

Give UCF the funds and save your self some unwanted burdens of renovating a stadium that doesn’t get used enough to justify the expense. It’s not like you have UCF money to build the stadium in the first place, but now you have an opportunity to make amends this second time around showing Oranage County, Orlando and the state of Florida are behind all efforts to improve your cause. Just makes much better sense IMO who in the end saves money.

(05-30-2023 01:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 12:52 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 12:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If Disney packs up their theme park, their hotels and all that and the lost of tax dollars by the city? UCF would wind up being stuck for the bill as the city of Orlando would be destroyed thanks for the war between Disney and the Governor. I am not going into the politics of that issue, but UCF is caught in a rock and a hard place right now.

Do you honestly believe they will walk away from billions of dollars of infrastructure? Not a chance. They may choose to invest new money elsewhere, but they aren't walking away from any of the Orlando parks.

The city and state already lost a lot of money and jobs that Disney canceled the plans. You don't ever know what Disney would do.

1.Those cuts were announced prior to Disney becoming outspoken on a law that protects very young children, and mistakenly kept referring to it as the "dont say gay" law, which the law doesnt even address. Disney is very short on cash, and is about to get smacked when they have to purchase the remaining Hulu shares. Thats their issue.

2. DIsney has about as much chance of packing up and leaving Florida as Ohio State has of leaving the B1G for the SunBelt.

(06-19-2023 01:28 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would get rid of the Citrus Bowl for it doesn’t make a lot of sense IMO to the two FB stadiums within 20 miles of each other, while using that ground to see if it’s a feasible site for a baseball stadium. Now I really don’t know if Orlando can garner the votes for expansion amongst MLB having a team to the West in Tampa and a few hours South in Miami, but if you don’t build it they will definitely not come. I think Orlando has a better opportunity getting a team to move there than they do getting an expansion team, but who would up and move???

Give UCF the funds and save your self some unwanted burdens of renovating a stadium that doesn’t get used enough to justify the expense. It’s not like you have UCF money to build the stadium in the first place, but now you have an opportunity to make amends this second time around showing Oranage County, Orlando and the state of Florida are behind all efforts to improve your cause. Just makes much better sense IMO who in the end saves money.

The ideal plan would be to tear down the Citrus Bowl and tear down the Bounce House on campus. Build a new 60,000 seat retractable dome stadium at UCF that will host both Bowl Games and potentially even a CFP game.

But politics won't let that happen. The idiots at Florida Citrus Sports have enough political influence that we'll end up spending half a billion dollars on renovating a stadium that hosts a handful of football games yearly and a few monster truck rallies. It's beyond asinine.

And Orlando doesn't need an MLB team. Orlando doesn't have the corporate money to support an MLB team, and there's absolutely nowhere in the Orlando area that you can build the stadium and have it be convenient to your likely season ticket base (Winter Park + Seminole County) and also to be convenient for tourists -- which is a lot of the current plan for attendance in Vegas and for the current Orlando proposal.

Maybe one day Florida will wise up and invest is mass transit. There should be monorail lines running all around Orlando to ease traffic, and then you could easily get people to the ballpark.

I think this is the ending most people expected.

Orange County continuing to throw money at Florida Citrus Sports (aka the Citrus Bowl)

lol so UCF is saying that they create $91m of economic impact, and they'd like a piece of that. Most asking for a piece via a tax would ask for 1% or so. They are asking for roughly 2x the total impact?

(06-27-2023 04:33 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  lol so UCF is saying that they create $91m of economic impact, and they'd like a piece of that. Most asking for a piece via a tax would ask for 1% or so. They are asking for roughly 2x the total impact?

Based on the score cards, they are going to give the Citrus Bowl $800 M for hosting 2 bowl games a year.

On the record:
“Ensure new construction is NFL ready”

Stupid money pit

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/orange...d-projects

Task Force Recommended these organization receive funding:
- Orange County Convention Center
- Florida Citrus Sports
- Amway Center
- Dr. Phillips Center for the Performing Arts
- UCF Sports

That's 1 hurdle passed....

Next Step:

Quote:These are just recommendations, as the Orange County Commission will have a final say on who gets the money and how much they will receive.

Only 2 of the 7 Commissioners have direct ties to UCF.

(06-19-2023 10:48 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  4th Season Ticket Sellout since 2019. Really outgrown this 45k stadium

Even the bounce house looks good at night!