(05-16-2023 07:28 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(05-16-2023 07:22 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 10:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  So you need 10 votes. Notre Dame gets them to 8. You need two out of Duke, GT, UofL, and Pitt.

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The Big/SEC won't be adding 10 schools, so Dissolving conference isn't likely. Others said you need 8, if that is the case, you might find one more. ND isn't a full member, so not sure what voting rights they have.

The thing is (not a lawyer), if there is any REMOTE language in there, or even a concrete number... of 2/3rds, or 10 citing irreparable damages from the ACC, or even some vague terminology of financial stress or wrong doing, they can take it the court and they'll win. Obviously someone more qualified can comment on it.

Some settlement will be reached. UL and Pitt would be more likely to settle if Yormark gives them a lifeline. Schools like Cuse and BC were mistakes and the ACC is finally paying the price.

About the bolded, as someone whose school was helped (in 2004) and harmed (in 2011) by Big East defections to the ACC, I find it ironic that all of the later additions, the additions beyond VT and Miami, are now the ones that apparently are keen to uphold the GOR, keeping the high-value schools in the conference. It's like "You brought us here, so you ain't leaving!", LOL.

I always thought the ACC, by which I mean the core power-brokers, might end up choking on its 2011 Big East acquisitions, and it seems like this might be happening to some of them.

Not shedding tears, LOL.

(05-16-2023 07:28 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  ....
Schools like Cuse and BC were mistakes and the ACC is finally paying the price.

^ Rutgers fan

(05-16-2023 07:22 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 10:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  So you need 10 votes. Notre Dame gets them to 8. You need two out of Duke, GT, UofL, and Pitt.

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The Big/SEC won't be adding 10 schools, so Dissolving conference isn't likely. Others said you need 8, if that is the case, you might find one more. ND isn't a full member, so not sure what voting rights they have.

Notre Dame has a full vote, same as everybody else.

(05-16-2023 07:38 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(05-16-2023 07:28 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  ....
Schools like Cuse and BC were mistakes and the ACC is finally paying the price.

^ Rutgers fan

I understand that, but these schools ****ed us over bigly, and they are now dragging down the perceived value the core ACC members have of themselves. And we have to acknowledge that CFB in the northeast will never be popular again because of demographics. Kids don't want to play in professional sports towns.

(05-16-2023 07:22 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The Big/SEC won't be adding 10 schools, so Dissolving conference isn't likely. Others said you need 8, if that is the case, you might find one more. ND isn't a full member, so not sure what voting rights they have.

Here's the thing... we know UNC would be added tomorrow by either P2. We know FSU likely has a lifeline, either the SEC will take them for themselves or to prevent the B1G from getting them. Clemson is only valuable now because of the Dabo effect, and they have to get an invite now.

It becomes murkier with VaTech, NCSU, GaTech, and Duke. I don't think the P2 has any real interest in them right now. That likely won't change in the foreseeable future.

So what has to happen is these ten schools need to get a written guarantee to dissolve the current GoR and stay together until 2030/31. 7 years, with X $'s in the contract, with some unequal distribution to compensate UNC and FSU in the interim. Assuming we even get to this step, this is the most likely outcome. And the ND series has to be preserved in order to pay for this, which shouldn't be a problem.

(05-16-2023 07:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  About the bolded, as someone whose school was helped (in 2004) and harmed (in 2011) by Big East defections to the ACC, I find it ironic that all of the later additions, the additions beyond VT and Miami, are now the ones that apparently are keen to uphold the GOR, keeping the high-value schools in the conference. It's like "You brought us here, so you ain't leaving!", LOL.

I always thought the ACC, by which I mean the core power-brokers, might end up choking on its 2011 Big East acquisitions, and it seems like this might be happening to some of them.

Not shedding tears, LOL.

Yeah man, still a long way to go. One last thing before I get off of this (and I don't want to stir the pot more):

Could ESPN/Fox pay these programs MORE to join the BE or Big 12 in the interim, as independents/full members respectively? Where would the money come from? Can the core ACC 8, 10 or whatever, come up with the revenue to settle that until 2036?

That's what has to happen here. There needs to be a revenue stream that makes independence viable for programs that may prefer the Big East. Certainly, the Big 12 is already covered in some respects with the pro-rata clause. It's possible Yormark takes both UConn AND Cuse should the latter become available.

Unfortunately, BC has no one to blame but themselves. They never accrued the resources or had any modicum of sustained success after two decades in the ACC.

Smells like they had a healthy discussion about unequal payment structures.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Ironclad 7 folded and gave them the money to keep the conference alive.

(05-15-2023 08:27 PM)BeepBeepJeep Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 06:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  But they aren't happy.

Brandon Marcello
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The ACC’s athletic directors just left their first meeting since
@Brett_McMurphy
’s report on the Seven. Heads were down as they sped past the media contingent without talking. Their meeting went 66 minutes longer than scheduled.

(05-15-2023 08:13 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 07:15 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 06:27 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  I believe what M7 really want to accomplish now is uneven revenue sharing. And possibly expansion.

It's hard to see a dissolution and subsequent expansion all materializing if the PAC lands a short term GoR in the next few months. Expansion beyond those M7 makes little sense. Every other school that's included beyond that bloc is exponentially more dilutive overall.

I think this will all fall flat on its face unless ESPN gets really creative. Where ESPN is losing value is with schools like Vandy making 70-80 million and schools like BC making 40 million. You have to remove these market inefficiencies, otherwise the market will remove them by itself over time. Some steps they can take:

1. Move Creighton to the Big 12 with Zaga.
2. Move Cuse' to the BE.

3a. Revisit a BE football conference in the Friday night window/streaming deal: Adding Duke, Cuse, WF, BC changes the calculus very much. Is it possible to bring in Army, Navy, USF, Rice, Tulane, and Temple as football only? That would give academies more incentive to join. If ESPN doesn't want to blow up the American, consider schools like Buffalo and UMass to get to the minimum 8.

3b. Create Sub Conferences or Conference Tiers in the SEC for football and Olympic sports. You play in the top tier amongst your best sports, among 16 or so schools. But then you play in a bottom tier in BBall, baseball and football in the sports where you don't play as well. Structure the payouts to promote fair competition without rigging the game. If there is one conference that can make this work, it's the SEC. This way, Tobacco road can play BBall against one another almost every year, while the football could avoid the likes of Bama and others. Schools would be brought in for their specific strengths.

4. Don't overpay for the PAC content. Single 4th window game only. ESPN is likely already planning this.

5. Secure the Friday window. Don't make it viable for the PAC to put their Tier 1 in there as a standalone. This frees up the Big 12 and the aforementioned hypothetical realignment scenarios above.

Vandy is just as much a part of the SEC as A&M is. More, really they have a whole lot of decades on us. If you want to free up value then look at the B1G first, the SEC is just fine with our current and future contracts.

ESPN isn't paying Vanderbilt or BC or Purdue. The broadcasters are paying for ratings, and the conference has to deliver those ratings. Per School distribution of funds is a conference problem.

FOX doesn't care if it's Michigan or Rutgers that's driving the ratings, they care that they can get a 4M viewer game every Saturday at Noon EST, and they pay for that. That Michigan vs OSU draws 17M viewers and Rutgers vs Maryland draws 17 (seventeen) yet all 4 schools get the same $75M isn't their problem or concern.

Besides, someone has to be the Washington Generals.

This long-time Vanderbilt fan is pondering a way to use "anchor down" and "Washington Generals" in a limerick.