(04-12-2023 08:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  In my personal record book...

Credible:
Brett McMurphy
Max Olson
Pete Thamel
Heather Dinich
Dennis Dodd
Nicole Auerbach
Andrew Marchland
John Ourand
Ross Dellenger

Bias:
Jason Scheer
Jon Wilner
John Canzano
Stewart Mandel

Entertaining:
Sic'em 365
Josh Pate
Heartland College Sports
Bob Thompson

Trash:
Tony Altimore
Monty Show
Greg Flugaur
Greg Swaim
mver

I like your rankings. I would make one change. I wouldn't call any of them credible. I would list the first group as Honest, but only as credible as their sources. Nobody is more credible than their sources. But there are those who honestly report what those in authority have told them. Sometimes authority figures lie, or spin, for their own reasons. This nation would be much better off if its people didn't believe everything they were told by authority figures and questioned everything with a healthy skepticism.

(04-24-2023 01:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 08:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  In my personal record book...

Credible:
Brett McMurphy
Max Olson
Pete Thamel
Heather Dinich
Dennis Dodd
Nicole Auerbach
Andrew Marchland
John Ourand
Ross Dellenger

Bias:
Jason Scheer
Jon Wilner
John Canzano
Stewart Mandel

Entertaining:
Sic'em 365
Josh Pate
Heartland College Sports
Bob Thompson

Trash:
Tony Altimore
Monty Show
Greg Flugaur
Greg Swaim
mver

I like your rankings. I would make one change. I wouldn't call any of them credible. I would list the first group as Honest, but only as credible as their sources. Nobody is more credible than their sources. But there are those who honestly report what those in authority have told them. Sometimes authority figures lie, or spin, for their own reasons. This nation would be much better off if its people didn't believe everything they were told by authority figures and questioned everything with a healthy skepticism.

Things also change and reader honesty and comprehension is important

Statements such as school x is taking to y and leaning towards leaving/staying isn’t necessarily false if final outcome is not consistent

Just saw this pop up again and wanted to ask if anyone had any opinions on Jim Williams, the guy who tweeted out the current "Apple TV wants all the PAC but also recognizes they need to partner with linear" at this point.

I see he's a media consultant, but don't know much more on him. What he's saying doesn't seem outlandish, so he might be worth a follow.

(04-24-2023 02:16 PM)e-parade Wrote:  Just saw this pop up again and wanted to ask if anyone had any opinions on Jim Williams, the guy who tweeted out the current "Apple TV wants all the PAC but also recognizes they need to partner with linear" at this point.

I see he's a media consultant, but don't know much more on him. What he's saying doesn't seem outlandish, so he might be worth a follow.

I was just about to post his name as someone that seems to fit the "credible" category, lol. From what I've seen mentioned he also occasionally (could be more than that) writes for Forbes.

(04-24-2023 01:57 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 01:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 08:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  In my personal record book...

Credible:
Brett McMurphy
Max Olson
Pete Thamel
Heather Dinich
Dennis Dodd
Nicole Auerbach
Andrew Marchland
John Ourand
Ross Dellenger

Bias:
Jason Scheer
Jon Wilner
John Canzano
Stewart Mandel

Entertaining:
Sic'em 365
Josh Pate
Heartland College Sports
Bob Thompson

Trash:
Tony Altimore
Monty Show
Greg Flugaur
Greg Swaim
mver

I like your rankings. I would make one change. I wouldn't call any of them credible. I would list the first group as Honest, but only as credible as their sources. Nobody is more credible than their sources. But there are those who honestly report what those in authority have told them. Sometimes authority figures lie, or spin, for their own reasons. This nation would be much better off if its people didn't believe everything they were told by authority figures and questioned everything with a healthy skepticism.

Things also change and reader honesty and comprehension is important

Statements such as school x is taking to y and leaning towards leaving/staying isn’t necessarily false if final outcome is not consistent

I don't disagree with this. But even the so-called honest reporters have biases. Most play to their audience, as do commissioners, presidents, etc. Reporting what you are told honestly is about the best they can do. Somebody suggested the SBJ as reputable. Usually, but they play to an audience as well and not all they report is accurate.

I would word what you suggest differently. While not all reported information is accurate, the reader should be more honest about their expectations of accuracy and their interpretations of nuance. The reader frequently hears only what they wish to hear. The reporter tells what they are told, accurate or not, and sometimes plays to their audience to sell copy.

There is nothing pristine and clean about any of it.

I don't have a trash category, but here is my list:

Top Notch:

Brett McMurphy
Matt Brown
Pete Thamel
Heather Dinich
Nicole Auerbach
Andrew Marchland
John Ourand
Ross Dellenger

Knowledgeable:

Bob Thompson
Dennis Dodd
Sheer
Wilzano
Mandel

Fun to watch but for entertainment purposes only:

sic-em 365
Monty


Anyone not listed may or may not have anything to contribute, but in general is probably less reliable than dozens of quality posters here.

(04-12-2023 09:50 AM)cc22 Wrote:  I think the post credible guy might be Ross Dellenger. I also think the above list is pretty accurate though I find Wilner credible. I do think part of the problem with Mandel lately is he’s had some bad sources that may have been filtering bad info to him.

Mandel should just cut off all of his Pac contacts, they're worse than worthless to him lately. Kliavkoff is using him, and he's probably embarrassed that it keeps happening.

(04-12-2023 11:45 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  I think Mandel is hit or miss. He’s prone to accepting some common narratives as truth because they’re widely circulated when in fact they’re decidedly not true.

His sourced stuff is good (but biased in the way most sourced material is). But his extrapolations are pretty bad.

From a local perspective Michelle Bodkin is only going to put out very well-sourced info, but it will reflect what the sources want to have known (the sourced reporter bias).

Basically, there are a lot of people who have reliable sources, but all of those sources share and withhold selectively. There are a lot of well sourced people who make very poor extrapolations on their info. There are a few people who are poorly sourced but provide thoughtful analysis of the info that’s available.

So I’d almost put things along two axes of sources vs analysis. I’d agree with Yosef on those that fit in the best quadrant of being both sourced and providing strong analysis. Monty is in the worst quadrant of being unsourced and providing garbage extrapolations.

I've liked the articles of hers that Utah residents have linked, she seems credible to me.

(04-12-2023 12:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 08:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  In my personal record book...

Credible:
Brett McMurphy
Max Olson
Pete Thamel
Heather Dinich
Dennis Dodd
Nicole Auerbach
Andrew Marchland
John Ourand
Ross Dellenger

Bias:
Jason Scheer
Jon Wilner
John Canzano
Stewart Mandel

Entertaining:
Sic'em 365
Josh Pate
Heartland College Sports
Bob Thompson

Trash:
Tony Altimore
Monty Show
Greg Flugaur
Greg Swaim
mver

b]Credible:
[/b]
Jon Wilner
John Canzano

Trash:

Brett McMurphy
Max Olson
Pete Thamel
Heather Dinich
Dennis Dodd
Nicole Auerbach
Andrew Marchland
John Ourand
Ross Dellenger
Jason Scheer
Stewart Mandel
Sic'em 365
Josh Pate
Heartland College Sports
Bob Thompson
Tony Altimore
Monty Show
Greg Flugaur
Greg Swaim
mver


Anybody who are not reporting the doom and gloom of the PAC 12 are credible sources. Everybody else are nothing but trash.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. Keep it up buddy!

(04-12-2023 01:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 01:35 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 11:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  I think Mandel is credible. In my view Dodd got some anti P12 bias and Bob Thompson is pro P12.

Whether Dodd has anti-Pac 12 bias or not, he is very biased against the Big 12 and always has been. Its why when he says something positive about the Big 12, I take it seriously.

Dennis Dodd is biased against the B12?

Maybe long time ago. For this round of realignment, he constantly talks about how unstable the P12 is and how aggressively the B12 pursue the P12 schools.

Two years ago, Dodd was also talked about how unstable the Big 12 was, and how the AAC, PAC 12 and MWC were to poach teams from there. Everybody were including Thamal and all of them. Even Wilner and Carzano was reporting the same thing then, but now, they are trying to stave off attacks from other news media about their conference that they write about.

There was blood in the water around the big 12 2 years ago. They were all talking to everybody, desperate for a landing spot. Is it any surprise that national media caught that scent? Sure, things worked out for the big 12 MUCH better than expected, but who saw that 2 years ago? I don't know a single person who did. I have a years-long text thread with a Baylor guy, UT guy, BYU guy, and a couple of us Aggies, when BYU got added to the big 12 I congratulated the BYU guy on that thread. All I got back was crickets, except the Baylor guy was still just angry about things and kind of popped off. It's funny looking back on that now because of how much has gone right for the big 12.

If the Pac rights the ship and gets a deal comparable to the big 12's (and UW/UO end up staying long term), then these same talking heads will be singing Kliavkoff's praises soon. And, he will have earned that praise, just as he's earned the derision that's currently being dumped on him and his Conference from all directions.

Top notch:
Marchand
Ourand
M Brown
Dellinger
Auerbach
DavidSt

Fairly credible:
McMurphy
Thamel
Olson
Dinich

Real journalist, some bias or sketchy sources:
Wilner
Dodd
Mandel
Feinbaum

Credible analysis, not a journalist:
Thompson

Clown w/ a press pass:
Canzano

(04-24-2023 05:38 PM)gwelymernans Wrote:  Top notch:
Marchand
Ourand
M Brown
Dellinger
Auerbach
DavidSt

Fairly credible:
McMurphy
Thamel
Olson
Dinich

Real journalist, some bias or sketchy sources:
Wilner
Dodd
Mandel
Feinbaum

Credible analysis, not a journalist:
Thompson

Clown w/ a press pass:
Canzano

This is the best list. Not a single name I can dispute.

There are a group of Youtubers that have Lock On PAC 12, Lock On Big 12, Lock On Big 10, Lock ON ACC, Lock On SEC, Lock On AAC, etc. Plus there are Lock On each teams in the NFL and top FCS schools.

As it is, the guy for the Lock On Big 10 along with the guy for Lock On PAC 12 did a collab together, and what the Big 10 right now is that they have no appatite to expand anymore with the PAC 12 teams, and that thier number one target is Notre Dame. This sounds like the best reporting out there since these people would hear things on their local tv media and other media news sources what the Presidents of the schools want. And with that news tidbit? It would mean Washington and Oregon is staying, the conference is stablizing, and the media deal could be worth more than the Big 12 since Oregon, Utah, Washington and Stanford are the top brands right now which is more than the Big 12 schools right now.

As for right now, ESPN are starting to layoff at ESPN as their VP got the pinkslip, and he have been there since the 80s as an intern. He is the second longest there behind Chris Bergman. That means Pete Thamel might get the pinkslip since everybody is not safe at ESPN. Which would means Pete will have to find another job if he does get the pinkslip.

If you really want to know what’s going on, speak with Ginny in Accounts Payable.

(04-24-2023 08:10 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 05:38 PM)gwelymernans Wrote:  Top notch:
Marchand
Ourand
M Brown
Dellinger
Auerbach
DavidSt

Fairly credible:
McMurphy
Thamel
Olson
Dinich

Real journalist, some bias or sketchy sources:
Wilner
Dodd
Mandel
Finebaum

Credible analysis, not a journalist:
Thompson

Clown w/ a press pass:
Canzano

This is the best list. Not a single name I can dispute.

...back in the 'pre-internet' days when Finebaum had a column in the Birmingham Post-Herald, he ALWAYS had the 'scoop' on things, mainly 'in-state' stuff (i.e., UA and AU)... of course, probably a LOT easier to 'hold' info back then than it is now...

(04-12-2023 08:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  In my personal record book...

Credible:
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Bias:
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Entertaining:
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Just a heads up:
Bias is a noun.
Biased is the adjective.