(04-12-2023 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 11:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  I think Mandel is credible. In my view Dodd got some anti P12 bias and Bob Thompson is pro P12.

Whether Dodd has anti-Pac 12 bias or not, he is very biased against the Big 12 and always has been. Its why when he says something positive about the Big 12, I take it seriously.

Dodd also was a miss a lot on his reporting about schools leaving the Big 12 after Texas and Oklahoma left. That is why I take these people with a grain of salt these days because all these writers that came out saying Big 12 is dead, and be defunct are now the same ones saying the exact same things about the PAC 12.

(04-12-2023 12:50 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 09:50 AM)cc22 Wrote:  I think the post credible guy might be Ross Dellenger. I also think the above list is pretty accurate though I find Wilner credible. I do think part of the problem with Mandel lately is he’s had some bad sources that may have been filtering bad info to him.

Everybody is getting bad sources which makes them all trash for not making sure 100% sure if it is true or not. The two PAC 12 writers have been more spot on than anybody else. The local paper for Ohio State said their president do not want to expand anymore on the west coast while idiots that are what you all claimed as credible have been reporting that Oregon and Washington to the Big 10 soon. Since these writers do want to see if a school will panic and get scare to make that jump to trigger a school to move for them to write about. That is not how you create a story. That is how you become a story on what you are writting to trigger a news stroy. That is just bad jounalism by all of them.

Canzano hasn't been right about anything.

(04-12-2023 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 11:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  I think Mandel is credible. In my view Dodd got some anti P12 bias and Bob Thompson is pro P12.

Whether Dodd has anti-Pac 12 bias or not, he is very biased against the Big 12 and always has been. Its why when he says something positive about the Big 12, I take it seriously.

Dennis Dodd is biased against the B12?

Maybe long time ago. For this round of realignment, he constantly talks about how unstable the P12 is and how aggressively the B12 pursue the P12 schools.

(04-12-2023 08:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Trash:
Tony Altimore

I was watching Locked on Big 12 the other day and David Smoak was a guest. Smoak mentioned they're done with Altimore due to making things personal/political on social media. He didn't mention Altimore by name, but it was clear he was referring to him by the description ("we used to have a guest on who was fantastic with graphics and numbers and history, but it turned political and personal with him on twitter").

(04-12-2023 01:35 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 11:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  I think Mandel is credible. In my view Dodd got some anti P12 bias and Bob Thompson is pro P12.

Whether Dodd has anti-Pac 12 bias or not, he is very biased against the Big 12 and always has been. Its why when he says something positive about the Big 12, I take it seriously.

Dennis Dodd is biased against the B12?

Maybe long time ago. For this round of realignment, he constantly talks about how unstable the P12 is and how aggressively the B12 pursue the P12 schools.

Two years ago, Dodd was also talked about how unstable the Big 12 was, and how the AAC, PAC 12 and MWC were to poach teams from there. Everybody were including Thamal and all of them. Even Wilner and Carzano was reporting the same thing then, but now, they are trying to stave off attacks from other news media about their conference that they write about.

(04-12-2023 12:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 11:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  I think Mandel is credible. In my view Dodd got some anti P12 bias and Bob Thompson is pro P12.

If Dodd is anti-P12 then Mandel is a giant P12 homer to an even larger degree.

Mandel wrote an article saying the P12 was in danger back in summer 2021.

These guys are actual, legitimate, credible journalists with good sources. They have been working at their craft for years. They are among the best in their field.
Credible:
Brett McMurphy
Max Olson
Pete Thamel
Heather Dinich
Dennis Dodd
Nicole Auerbach
Andrew Marchland
John Ourand
Ross Dellenger
Jon Wilner
John Canzano
Stewart Mandel

These guys are part of a fraternity. They know each other. McMurphy was on Canzano's podcast this past year and said was he trying to get a chance to talk to Canzano at the Pac-12 Media Day last summer, but every time he looked up Canzano was interviewing someone. Canzano has a lot of friends and contacts on the west coast. Ourand was on the Canzano & Wilner podcast recently and said that he follows them to help figure out what might be going on in the Pac-12.

They all make predictions that don't work out and have sources that give them inaccurate information. Some sources have an agenda. Some sources don't have all the current information. Bob Thomspon brings a media perspective that can be useful.

The rest of these guys should just stay in their lane. Scheer does a good job of covering Arizona athletics, but he is not a source for anything outside Arizona athletics. Tony Altimore is a USC guy on twitter with some interesting and funny posts, but he is not a journalist. The Monty Show recently had a good interview with MWC Commissioner Gloria Nevarez, but he knows absolutely nothing about the Pac-12 media deal or conference realignment. He just seems to create his own source of information.

(04-12-2023 01:35 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 11:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  I think Mandel is credible. In my view Dodd got some anti P12 bias and Bob Thompson is pro P12.

Whether Dodd has anti-Pac 12 bias or not, he is very biased against the Big 12 and always has been. Its why when he says something positive about the Big 12, I take it seriously.

Dennis Dodd is biased against the B12?

Maybe long time ago. For this round of realignment, he constantly talks about how unstable the P12 is and how aggressively the B12 pursue the P12 schools.

Bias means you lean to one side or the other. Maybe now he is simply telling the truth and some people don't like it. His hostility towards the Big 12 has been going on for years. That doesn't suddenly disappear into a pro Big 12 bias.

(04-12-2023 02:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 01:35 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 11:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  I think Mandel is credible. In my view Dodd got some anti P12 bias and Bob Thompson is pro P12.

Whether Dodd has anti-Pac 12 bias or not, he is very biased against the Big 12 and always has been. Its why when he says something positive about the Big 12, I take it seriously.

Dennis Dodd is biased against the B12?

Maybe long time ago. For this round of realignment, he constantly talks about how unstable the P12 is and how aggressively the B12 pursue the P12 schools.

Bias means you lean to one side or the other. Maybe now he is simply telling the truth and some people don't like it. His hostility towards the Big 12 has been going on for years. That doesn't suddenly disappear into a pro Big 12 bias.

Did I say he has a pro B12 bias? I said he got anti P12 bias. And I am talking about his stance as of now not years ago. These days he reports every single thing about the demise of the P12 from sources including ex coaches and 3rd party analyst.

(04-12-2023 02:29 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 02:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 01:35 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 11:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  I think Mandel is credible. In my view Dodd got some anti P12 bias and Bob Thompson is pro P12.

Whether Dodd has anti-Pac 12 bias or not, he is very biased against the Big 12 and always has been. Its why when he says something positive about the Big 12, I take it seriously.

Dennis Dodd is biased against the B12?

Maybe long time ago. For this round of realignment, he constantly talks about how unstable the P12 is and how aggressively the B12 pursue the P12 schools.

Bias means you lean to one side or the other. Maybe now he is simply telling the truth and some people don't like it. His hostility towards the Big 12 has been going on for years. That doesn't suddenly disappear into a pro Big 12 bias.

Did I say he has a pro B12 bias? I said he got anti P12 bias. And I am talking about his stance as of now not years ago. These days he reports every single thing about the demise of the P12 from sources including ex coaches and 3rd party analyst.

That doesn't necessarily make it an anti Pac bias. Sometimes the truth is negative towards a particular side. Brett McMurphy has consistently reported that the Big 10 is very interested in Washington and Oregon at some point. Does that make him biased against the Pac?

Wilner has started saying a lot of things that don't look good for the Pac and he is pro Pac.

(04-12-2023 10:32 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 08:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  In my personal record book...

Credible:
Brett McMurphy
Max Olson
Pete Thamel
Heather Dinich
Dennis Dodd
Nicole Auerbach
Andrew Marchland
John Ourand
Ross Dellenger

Bias:
Jason Scheer
Jon Wilner
John Canzano
Stewart Mandel

Entertaining:
Sic'em 365
Josh Pate
Heartland College Sports
Bob Thompson

Trash:
Tony Altimore
Monty Show
Greg Flugaur
Greg Swaim
mver

This list is 95 percent on target! I would add Chris Vannini of The Athletic and Matt Brown of Extra Points to the "Credible" list.

(04-12-2023 09:55 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 08:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  In my personal record book...

Credible:
Brett McMurphy
Max Olson
Pete Thamel
Heather Dinich
Dennis Dodd
Nicole Auerbach
Andrew Marchland
John Ourand
Ross Dellenger

Bias:
Jason Scheer
Jon Wilner
John Canzano
Stewart Mandel

Entertaining:
Sic'em 365
Josh Pate
Heartland College Sports
Bob Thompson

Trash:
Tony Altimore
Monty Show
Greg Flugaur
Greg Swaim
mver

I'd swap Flugaur into bias at worst and credible more likely. I'd also drop Canzano into the trash category. Guy has whiffed repeatedly on basics like is Fox involved. Scheer has bias but has been accurate but to be fair he's not predicted a ton per-se.

(04-12-2023 09:55 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 08:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  In my personal record book...

Credible:
Brett McMurphy
Max Olson
Pete Thamel
Heather Dinich
Dennis Dodd
Nicole Auerbach
Andrew Marchland
John Ourand
Ross Dellenger

Bias:
Jason Scheer
Jon Wilner
John Canzano
Stewart Mandel

Entertaining:
Sic'em 365
Josh Pate
Heartland College Sports
Bob Thompson

Trash:
Tony Altimore
Monty Show
Greg Flugaur
Greg Swaim
mver

I'd swap Flugaur into bias at worst and credible more likely. I'd also drop Canzano into the trash category. Guy has whiffed repeatedly on basics like is Fox involved. Scheer has bias but has been accurate but to be fair he's not predicted a ton per-se.

Agrred. I view Jon Wilner and John Canzano as trash, and have for quite sometime now. I view Matt Brown as very credible as well.

If anyone really should go into the biased sectiom, it should be my add, Paul Finebaum!! He used to be trash, but being in the SEC Network has helped him refine his work and credibility, IMO.
Now Pat Forde is trash!!!

(04-12-2023 02:29 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 02:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 01:35 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 11:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  I think Mandel is credible. In my view Dodd got some anti P12 bias and Bob Thompson is pro P12.

Whether Dodd has anti-Pac 12 bias or not, he is very biased against the Big 12 and always has been. Its why when he says something positive about the Big 12, I take it seriously.

Dennis Dodd is biased against the B12?

Maybe long time ago. For this round of realignment, he constantly talks about how unstable the P12 is and how aggressively the B12 pursue the P12 schools.

Bias means you lean to one side or the other. Maybe now he is simply telling the truth and some people don't like it. His hostility towards the Big 12 has been going on for years. That doesn't suddenly disappear into a pro Big 12 bias.

Did I say he has a pro B12 bias? I said he got anti P12 bias. And I am talking about his stance as of now not years ago. These days he reports every single thing about the demise of the P12 from sources including ex coaches and 3rd party analyst.

His sources told him the exact same thing about the Big 12 two years ago. Too many people on here wants to bend down and kiss the feet of these journolists who get things wrong like they are gods and won't admit they make mistakes.

(04-12-2023 02:59 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 10:32 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 08:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  In my personal record book...

Credible:
Brett McMurphy
Max Olson
Pete Thamel
Heather Dinich
Dennis Dodd
Nicole Auerbach
Andrew Marchland
John Ourand
Ross Dellenger

Bias:
Jason Scheer
Jon Wilner
John Canzano
Stewart Mandel

Entertaining:
Sic'em 365
Josh Pate
Heartland College Sports
Bob Thompson

Trash:
Tony Altimore
Monty Show
Greg Flugaur
Greg Swaim
mver

This list is 95 percent on target! I would add Chris Vannini of The Athletic and Matt Brown of Extra Points to the "Credible" list.

(04-12-2023 09:55 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 08:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  In my personal record book...

Credible:
Brett McMurphy
Max Olson
Pete Thamel
Heather Dinich
Dennis Dodd
Nicole Auerbach
Andrew Marchland
John Ourand
Ross Dellenger

Bias:
Jason Scheer
Jon Wilner
John Canzano
Stewart Mandel

Entertaining:
Sic'em 365
Josh Pate
Heartland College Sports
Bob Thompson

Trash:
Tony Altimore
Monty Show
Greg Flugaur
Greg Swaim
mver

I'd swap Flugaur into bias at worst and credible more likely. I'd also drop Canzano into the trash category. Guy has whiffed repeatedly on basics like is Fox involved. Scheer has bias but has been accurate but to be fair he's not predicted a ton per-se.

(04-12-2023 09:55 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 08:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  In my personal record book...

Credible:
Brett McMurphy
Max Olson
Pete Thamel
Heather Dinich
Dennis Dodd
Nicole Auerbach
Andrew Marchland
John Ourand
Ross Dellenger

Bias:
Jason Scheer
Jon Wilner
John Canzano
Stewart Mandel

Entertaining:
Sic'em 365
Josh Pate
Heartland College Sports
Bob Thompson

Trash:
Tony Altimore
Monty Show
Greg Flugaur
Greg Swaim
mver

I'd swap Flugaur into bias at worst and credible more likely. I'd also drop Canzano into the trash category. Guy has whiffed repeatedly on basics like is Fox involved. Scheer has bias but has been accurate but to be fair he's not predicted a ton per-se.

Agrred. I view Jon Wilner and John Canzano as trash, and have for quite sometime now. I view Matt Brown as very credible as well.

If anyone really should go into the biased sectiom, it should be my add, Paul Finebaum!! He used to be trash, but being in the SEC Network has helped him refine his work and credibility, IMO.
Now Pat Forde is trash!!!

Mat Brown do admit on here when he make mistakes and some things surprises him that was oppisite from what he is hearing. When a reporter like Matt admit to things that he was wrong about makes him more of a good journalists who reports things.

(04-12-2023 02:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 02:29 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 02:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 01:35 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  Whether Dodd has anti-Pac 12 bias or not, he is very biased against the Big 12 and always has been. Its why when he says something positive about the Big 12, I take it seriously.

Dennis Dodd is biased against the B12?

Maybe long time ago. For this round of realignment, he constantly talks about how unstable the P12 is and how aggressively the B12 pursue the P12 schools.

Bias means you lean to one side or the other. Maybe now he is simply telling the truth and some people don't like it. His hostility towards the Big 12 has been going on for years. That doesn't suddenly disappear into a pro Big 12 bias.

Did I say he has a pro B12 bias? I said he got anti P12 bias. And I am talking about his stance as of now not years ago. These days he reports every single thing about the demise of the P12 from sources including ex coaches and 3rd party analyst.

That doesn't necessarily make it an anti Pac bias. Sometimes the truth is negative towards a particular side. Brett McMurphy has consistently reported that the Big 10 is very interested in Washington and Oregon at some point. Does that make him biased against the Pac?

Wilner has started saying a lot of things that don't look good for the Pac and he is pro Pac.

You know how the media treated the ex president. Most of the media reportings are factually correct but their coverings were pretty one-sided.

Dodd’s reporting is not necessarily false. But he reports way too many negative articles (some of them are unnecessary and frivolous) to be considered objective or unbiased in my opinion.

This is a good example:

Former Pac-12 coaches concerned about league's future amid ongoing issues: 'They're teetering on the brink'

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...the-brink/

Who cares about what ex coaches think about the future of Pac 12?

Treasure. Dodd Trash Clownzano

(04-12-2023 10:32 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  This list is 95 percent on target! I would add Chris Vannini of The Athletic and Matt Brown of Extra Points to the "Credible" list.

Agreed, both of those are two of my faves

...Flug is a bit better than most of the 'YouTubers' - he really just rounds up the info from folks like M/O, Dodd, etc. and gives his 'take'... about all you can expect for the realm we are talking about... And he DID hit the USC to B1G deal last year (may have been a blind squirrel/nut thing, but...), so it's obvious he has SOME decent sources... He was also 'hinting' at the FloridaSt. deal (potentially challenging the ACCGOR) around the end of last year... so yeah he's at least 'passable' or whatever...

MY question is, where does our old buddy FINEBAUM fall into all of this? Actually, now that he has the 'national show', he really isn't a 'breaking story/scoop' guy... ...but back in the day when Bama was running thru HCs every 3 seasons or so (i.e., 'era' betweeen Stallings and Saban), he ALWAYS was the first to 'scoop' a firing/hiring in T-Town on his radio show (and newspaper column...no, REALLY...) ...of course media has 'expanded' a bit since then, so...

(04-12-2023 05:31 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...Flug is a bit better than most of the 'YouTubers' - he really just rounds up the info from folks like M/O, Dodd, etc. and gives his 'take'... about all you can expect for the realm we are talking about... And he DID hit the USC to B1G deal last year (may have been a blind squirrel/nut thing, but...), so it's obvious he has SOME decent sources... He was also 'hinting' at the FloridaSt. deal (potentially challenging the ACCGOR) around the end of last year... so yeah he's at least 'passable' or whatever...

MY question is, where does our old buddy FINEBAUM fall into all of this? Actually, now that he has the 'national show', he really isn't a 'breaking story/scoop' guy... ...but back in the day when Bama was running thru HCs every 3 seasons or so (i.e., 'era' betweeen Stallings and Saban), he ALWAYS was the first to 'scoop' a firing/hiring in T-Town on his radio show (and newspaper column...no, REALLY...) ...of course media has 'expanded' a bit since then, so...

I also ride with Flugar, he can't always share exactly what he knows/gets verbatim but I like the leanings that he does share!

I also like Nicole Auerbach, and got her as favorite for my Athletic subscription!

(04-12-2023 09:50 AM)cc22 Wrote:  I think the post credible guy might be Ross Dellenger. I also think the above list is pretty accurate though I find Wilner credible. I do think part of the problem with Mandel lately is he’s had some bad sources that may have been filtering bad info to him.

Kliavkoff is trying to negotiate through the media, and he’s burning all his bridges. He’s made a lot of legit journalists look stupid lately.

Altimore vs Scheer on Twitter