(03-31-2023 02:16 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Andy, I don't know what has happened to you in your life for you to be such a pessimist. Your posts are so full of doom and gloom.

All is lost

America is dead

No Republican will ever win again

I get it. Things look grim for the country. As bad as they have ever looked, it seems.

The United States is a big country, and actually pretty sturdy. We have weathered big storms before, although I'll admit nothing of this magnitude in both scope and targeting.

What is happening is that the leftists and the deep state (the criminal syndicate) are using their favorite leftist political tools - Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, and the Cloward - Piven strategy. C/P tells them to "overwhelm the system" and that is why we are seeing assaults across a wide range of issues and topics all at the same time. This is supposed to cause the entire system to crash and burn.

Should we be prepared for further assaults on us the citizens? Absolutely.

Should we throw in the towel and give up? That's up to you.

There has been research that shows that it only takes 3% of the population and/or 8% of the adult population showing up in the streets to protest to cause a government to back down.

We know that the extremists causing this strife are NOT the majority in this country. Not even close. We also know that generally, conservatives or the right in general does not do street protests. Especially now, seeing what the leftists and deep state have done to those who showed up on Jan. 6th.

But there will come a time when the people have had it up to their eyeballs. If a few million show up in D.C. or even all over the country in their own states to protest, unarmed and peacefully, it may cause the extremists some alarm.

THAT is what they are afraid of - YOU, ME and our neighbors.

Americans are slow to anger and often even slower to act. But when we do decide it is time, those trying to steamroll us into submission will start to feel real fear.

8% of the adult population is all it takes. Things are bad, but all is not lost. It may take decades to return to something resembling what this country was and perhaps it won't ever return. But wetting the bed over your anger and fear does nothing for us and the country.

We must fight this takeover. Don't give up hope. Hope is not a strategy but those with no hope will not prevail.

Im not at all cynical about America. We have seen the pendulum swing on issues through out our existence. At some point the Leftist policies will show themselves to be failures as they have everywhere in the world and the pendulum will swing again.

(03-31-2023 08:50 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:40 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  While I understand it's very easy to get down at times over things...I don't believe this one iota.

QFT.

First off, I don't believe he'll ever be found guilty of a felony on this. It's all bluster.

Second off, the Georgia trial looks like his biggest chance of anything significant happening.

At the end of the day, the political pendulum will swing back wildly. The more the democrats do to disenfranchise voters, the more people who will switch sides. But they need a candidate they can believe in. DJT has so much baggage that he isn't the person.

Personally I wish the Republicans would stop pushing people who have so many skeletons in their closet that they make it easy for the Democrats. Trump probably had/has more skeletons than any candidate in presidential history. And how any moral and/or religious person can vote for a man with zero morals is beyond me... he is an adulterer and a liar at minimum, and quite likely much worse.

But then again, anyone who actually wants to be President is probably mentally deranged anyway.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

When you can point out a viable candidate without skeletons, sexual behavioral flaws who does not lie, then we'll talk. Good luck with all that though.

If your voting for POTUS, your voting for people who will and do lie to get elected. Stop lying to yourself about it.

(03-31-2023 05:06 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:50 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:40 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  While I understand it's very easy to get down at times over things...I don't believe this one iota.

QFT.

First off, I don't believe he'll ever be found guilty of a felony on this. It's all bluster.

Second off, the Georgia trial looks like his biggest chance of anything significant happening.

At the end of the day, the political pendulum will swing back wildly. The more the democrats do to disenfranchise voters, the more people who will switch sides. But they need a candidate they can believe in. DJT has so much baggage that he isn't the person.

Personally I wish the Republicans would stop pushing people who have so many skeletons in their closet that they make it easy for the Democrats. Trump probably had/has more skeletons than any candidate in presidential history. And how any moral and/or religious person can vote for a man with zero morals is beyond me... he is an adulterer and a liar at minimum, and quite likely much worse.

But then again, anyone who actually wants to be President is probably mentally deranged anyway.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

When you can point out a viable candidate without skeletons, sexual behavioral flaws who does not lie, then we'll talk. Good luck with all that though.

If your voting for POTUS, your voting form people who will and do lie to get elected. Stop lying to yourself about it.

I don't mind skeletons and the other stuff. Just have some remorse if you f'ed up. It's amazing this day in age that admitting you messed up is a sign of weakness instead of growth

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(03-31-2023 05:06 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:50 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:40 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  While I understand it's very easy to get down at times over things...I don't believe this one iota.

QFT.

First off, I don't believe he'll ever be found guilty of a felony on this. It's all bluster.

Second off, the Georgia trial looks like his biggest chance of anything significant happening.

At the end of the day, the political pendulum will swing back wildly. The more the democrats do to disenfranchise voters, the more people who will switch sides. But they need a candidate they can believe in. DJT has so much baggage that he isn't the person.

Personally I wish the Republicans would stop pushing people who have so many skeletons in their closet that they make it easy for the Democrats. Trump probably had/has more skeletons than any candidate in presidential history. And how any moral and/or religious person can vote for a man with zero morals is beyond me... he is an adulterer and a liar at minimum, and quite likely much worse.

But then again, anyone who actually wants to be President is probably mentally deranged anyway.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

When you can point out a viable candidate without skeletons, sexual behavioral flaws who does not lie, then we'll talk. Good luck with all that though.

If your voting for POTUS, your voting form people who will and do lie to get elected. Stop lying to yourself about it.

If the sinner you cast a vote for shows some level of admittance of sin then I can deal with that. This gentleman has NEVER done anything close to that. I know that will piss you off...so be it. Vote your conscience.

(03-31-2023 05:33 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 05:06 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:50 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:40 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  While I understand it's very easy to get down at times over things...I don't believe this one iota.

QFT.

First off, I don't believe he'll ever be found guilty of a felony on this. It's all bluster.

Second off, the Georgia trial looks like his biggest chance of anything significant happening.

At the end of the day, the political pendulum will swing back wildly. The more the democrats do to disenfranchise voters, the more people who will switch sides. But they need a candidate they can believe in. DJT has so much baggage that he isn't the person.

Personally I wish the Republicans would stop pushing people who have so many skeletons in their closet that they make it easy for the Democrats. Trump probably had/has more skeletons than any candidate in presidential history. And how any moral and/or religious person can vote for a man with zero morals is beyond me... he is an adulterer and a liar at minimum, and quite likely much worse.

But then again, anyone who actually wants to be President is probably mentally deranged anyway.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

When you can point out a viable candidate without skeletons, sexual behavioral flaws who does not lie, then we'll talk. Good luck with all that though.

If your voting for POTUS, your voting form people who will and do lie to get elected. Stop lying to yourself about it.

If the sinner you cast a vote for shows some level of admittance of sin then I can deal with that. This gentleman has NEVER done anything close to that. I know that will piss you off...so be it. Vote your conscience.

Why on earth would it piss me off? I didn't vote for him in 2016 and I don't support him now, I openly support DeSantis. Sounds like you just really, really wanted me to be pissed off. Sorry but I'm not.

Also sounds like you're purposely missing the point. NONE of the presidential politicians in Washington have an ounce of admittance for their sin either.

Its a wash. NONE of them do.

Stop pretending like its unique to him.

(03-31-2023 06:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 05:33 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 05:06 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:50 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:40 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  While I understand it's very easy to get down at times over things...I don't believe this one iota.

QFT.

First off, I don't believe he'll ever be found guilty of a felony on this. It's all bluster.

Second off, the Georgia trial looks like his biggest chance of anything significant happening.

At the end of the day, the political pendulum will swing back wildly. The more the democrats do to disenfranchise voters, the more people who will switch sides. But they need a candidate they can believe in. DJT has so much baggage that he isn't the person.

Personally I wish the Republicans would stop pushing people who have so many skeletons in their closet that they make it easy for the Democrats. Trump probably had/has more skeletons than any candidate in presidential history. And how any moral and/or religious person can vote for a man with zero morals is beyond me... he is an adulterer and a liar at minimum, and quite likely much worse.

But then again, anyone who actually wants to be President is probably mentally deranged anyway.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

When you can point out a viable candidate without skeletons, sexual behavioral flaws who does not lie, then we'll talk. Good luck with all that though.

If your voting for POTUS, your voting form people who will and do lie to get elected. Stop lying to yourself about it.

If the sinner you cast a vote for shows some level of admittance of sin then I can deal with that. This gentleman has NEVER done anything close to that. I know that will piss you off...so be it. Vote your conscience.

Why on earth would it piss me off? I didn't vote for him in 2016 and I don't support him now, I openly support DeSantis. Sounds like you just really, really wanted me to be pissed off. Sorry but I'm not.

Also sounds like you're purposely missing the point. NONE of the presidential politicians in Washington have an ounce of admittance for their sin either.

Its a wash. NONE of them do.

Stop pretending like its unique to him.

My apologies Sir. I was under the impression you were a Trump supporter. We are not in disagreement on this issue.

(03-31-2023 06:31 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 06:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 05:33 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 05:06 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:50 AM)mlb Wrote:  QFT.

First off, I don't believe he'll ever be found guilty of a felony on this. It's all bluster.

Second off, the Georgia trial looks like his biggest chance of anything significant happening.

At the end of the day, the political pendulum will swing back wildly. The more the democrats do to disenfranchise voters, the more people who will switch sides. But they need a candidate they can believe in. DJT has so much baggage that he isn't the person.

Personally I wish the Republicans would stop pushing people who have so many skeletons in their closet that they make it easy for the Democrats. Trump probably had/has more skeletons than any candidate in presidential history. And how any moral and/or religious person can vote for a man with zero morals is beyond me... he is an adulterer and a liar at minimum, and quite likely much worse.

But then again, anyone who actually wants to be President is probably mentally deranged anyway.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

When you can point out a viable candidate without skeletons, sexual behavioral flaws who does not lie, then we'll talk. Good luck with all that though.

If your voting for POTUS, your voting form people who will and do lie to get elected. Stop lying to yourself about it.

If the sinner you cast a vote for shows some level of admittance of sin then I can deal with that. This gentleman has NEVER done anything close to that. I know that will piss you off...so be it. Vote your conscience.

Why on earth would it piss me off? I didn't vote for him in 2016 and I don't support him now, I openly support DeSantis. Sounds like you just really, really wanted me to be pissed off. Sorry but I'm not.

Also sounds like you're purposely missing the point. NONE of the presidential politicians in Washington have an ounce of admittance for their sin either.

Its a wash. NONE of them do.

Stop pretending like its unique to him.

My apologies Sir. I was under the impression you were a Trump supporter. We are not in disagreement on this issue.

Even if I was a Trump voter I wouldn't be a hypocrite at all for voting for him. Neither is any other Christian.

Its 1000% understandable why many Christians vote for him, and if he gets the nomination over DeSantis I likely will vote for him over Biden.

The only people that have a chance to win on either side are dishonest, sinful politicians with skeletons. The idea that we have a viable option outside of that is a load of BS people toss out to attack genuine Christians.

(03-31-2023 12:28 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 12:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 11:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  Fo, I can only hope I’m wrong…

Hell...I don't know what is going to happen. My guess? Trump will win the nomination and lose again. He probably will lose voters over Jan 6, this stuff now and what is coming in other investigations. Those lost votes[/i] will seal his defeat again given the Democrats machine to win urban voters.

My guess? Trump fizzles before the primaries start.

He is riding a crest of emotion right now - - as he should: the indictment is an absolute abomination.

But it is an abomination more for our nation than it is for Donald Trump. He is most likely enjoying this. And he is taking us all for dupes. He gets to behave like a sleazy p.o.s., one that repeatedly exposes himself to leftist attacks, and then insist that the right all join forces to treat him as if he is some sort of champion.

Trump gets the front-page attention he so desperately craves for the next several weeks. But I don't believe that it will not last out the spring.

And I believe (and pray) that when it really matters it will be a candidate that actually cares about the best interests of our nation who gets the GOP nod. There are plenty of good options who fit that role. Trump is not one of them. He, hopefully, will just be a sorry political memory by the start of the real 2024 season.

and..... look at the staggering amount of moolah that is flying to his campaign presently. Much of it used by him as a lifestyle piggy bank, and another crapload to all the attorneys.

I feel sorry for the chumps that think they are donating to a campaign but are really only funding the metric ton of legal fees he has going out.....

(03-31-2023 07:30 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 12:28 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 12:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 11:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  Fo, I can only hope I’m wrong…

Hell...I don't know what is going to happen. My guess? Trump will win the nomination and lose again. He probably will lose voters over Jan 6, this stuff now and what is coming in other investigations. Those lost votes[/i] will seal his defeat again given the Democrats machine to win urban voters.

My guess? Trump fizzles before the primaries start.

He is riding a crest of emotion right now - - as he should: the indictment is an absolute abomination.

But it is an abomination more for our nation than it is for Donald Trump. He is most likely enjoying this. And he is taking us all for dupes. He gets to behave like a sleazy p.o.s., one that repeatedly exposes himself to leftist attacks, and then insist that the right all join forces to treat him as if he is some sort of champion.

Trump gets the front-page attention he so desperately craves for the next several weeks. But I don't believe that it will not last out the spring.

And I believe (and pray) that when it really matters it will be a candidate that actually cares about the best interests of our nation who gets the GOP nod. There are plenty of good options who fit that role. Trump is not one of them. He, hopefully, will just be a sorry political memory by the start of the real 2024 season.

and..... look at the staggering amount of moolah that is flying to his campaign presently. Much of it used by him as a lifestyle piggy bank, and another crapload to all the attorneys.

I feel sorry for the chumps that think they are donating to a campaign but are really only funding the metric ton of legal fees he has going out.....

I'm confused, are we talking about the Clintons, Bidens or Donald Trump?

You can pin those same attacks on any powerful entity in Washington, its rather absurd to pretend its a Trump thing.

In fact thee are mountains more evidence of corruption in the Clinton and Biden families inside Washington than Trump. 2 of those families are life long insiders married to permanent Washington and its corruption, the other is hated and despised by permanent Washington.

(03-31-2023 09:03 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I'm old enough to remember Trump saying 'lock her up' & the Dems said there's a precedent not to & it makes him a dictator.

Absolutely worst mistake Trump made. Should have allowed her to be investigated, charged, tried and jailed.

And all this bullchit from you America haters on the left. That scumbag Comey laid out the entire case and said nobody would prosecute. It’s time for republicans to start prosecuting.

(03-31-2023 07:30 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 12:28 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 12:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 11:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  Fo, I can only hope I’m wrong…

Hell...I don't know what is going to happen. My guess? Trump will win the nomination and lose again. He probably will lose voters over Jan 6, this stuff now and what is coming in other investigations. Those lost votes[/i] will seal his defeat again given the Democrats machine to win urban voters.

My guess? Trump fizzles before the primaries start.

He is riding a crest of emotion right now - - as he should: the indictment is an absolute abomination.

But it is an abomination more for our nation than it is for Donald Trump. He is most likely enjoying this. And he is taking us all for dupes. He gets to behave like a sleazy p.o.s., one that repeatedly exposes himself to leftist attacks, and then insist that the right all join forces to treat him as if he is some sort of champion.

Trump gets the front-page attention he so desperately craves for the next several weeks. But I don't believe that it will not last out the spring.

And I believe (and pray) that when it really matters it will be a candidate that actually cares about the best interests of our nation who gets the GOP nod. There are plenty of good options who fit that role. Trump is not one of them. He, hopefully, will just be a sorry political memory by the start of the real 2024 season.

and..... look at the staggering amount of moolah that is flying to his campaign presently. Much of it used by him as a lifestyle piggy bank, and another crapload to all the attorneys.

I feel sorry for the chumps that think they are donating to a campaign but are really only funding the metric ton of legal fees he has going out.....

And tell us why he has a “metric ton of legal fees”? Because of lawyers, like yourself, who just want something, anything done to him for political reasons. GFY to all of you.

(03-31-2023 08:18 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 07:30 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 12:28 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 12:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 11:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  Fo, I can only hope I’m wrong…

Hell...I don't know what is going to happen. My guess? Trump will win the nomination and lose again. He probably will lose voters over Jan 6, this stuff now and what is coming in other investigations. Those lost votes[/i] will seal his defeat again given the Democrats machine to win urban voters.

My guess? Trump fizzles before the primaries start.

He is riding a crest of emotion right now - - as he should: the indictment is an absolute abomination.

But it is an abomination more for our nation than it is for Donald Trump. He is most likely enjoying this. And he is taking us all for dupes. He gets to behave like a sleazy p.o.s., one that repeatedly exposes himself to leftist attacks, and then insist that the right all join forces to treat him as if he is some sort of champion.

Trump gets the front-page attention he so desperately craves for the next several weeks. But I don't believe that it will not last out the spring.

And I believe (and pray) that when it really matters it will be a candidate that actually cares about the best interests of our nation who gets the GOP nod. There are plenty of good options who fit that role. Trump is not one of them. He, hopefully, will just be a sorry political memory by the start of the real 2024 season.

and..... look at the staggering amount of moolah that is flying to his campaign presently. Much of it used by him as a lifestyle piggy bank, and another crapload to all the attorneys.

I feel sorry for the chumps that think they are donating to a campaign but are really only funding the metric ton of legal fees he has going out.....

And tell us why he has a “metric ton of legal fees”? Because of lawyers, like yourself, who just want something, anything done to him for political reasons. GFY to all of you.

Lolz. Triggered a tad there?

(03-31-2023 09:48 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:18 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 07:30 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 12:28 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 12:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Hell...I don't know what is going to happen. My guess? Trump will win the nomination and lose again. He probably will lose voters over Jan 6, this stuff now and what is coming in other investigations. Those lost votes[/i] will seal his defeat again given the Democrats machine to win urban voters.

My guess? Trump fizzles before the primaries start.

He is riding a crest of emotion right now - - as he should: the indictment is an absolute abomination.

But it is an abomination more for our nation than it is for Donald Trump. He is most likely enjoying this. And he is taking us all for dupes. He gets to behave like a sleazy p.o.s., one that repeatedly exposes himself to leftist attacks, and then insist that the right all join forces to treat him as if he is some sort of champion.

Trump gets the front-page attention he so desperately craves for the next several weeks. But I don't believe that it will not last out the spring.

And I believe (and pray) that when it really matters it will be a candidate that actually cares about the best interests of our nation who gets the GOP nod. There are plenty of good options who fit that role. Trump is not one of them. He, hopefully, will just be a sorry political memory by the start of the real 2024 season.

and..... look at the staggering amount of moolah that is flying to his campaign presently. Much of it used by him as a lifestyle piggy bank, and another crapload to all the attorneys.

I feel sorry for the chumps that think they are donating to a campaign but are really only funding the metric ton of legal fees he has going out.....

And tell us why he has a “metric ton of legal fees”? Because of lawyers, like yourself, who just want something, anything done to him for political reasons. GFY to all of you.

Lolz. Triggered a tad there?

my short take on his (and too many others to count) 'frustration' is how law has evolved in 2.5 centuries - by design, mind ya - and how it's being manipulated to an unacceptable 'tipping point' that favors moving to a totalitarian/socialist/NWO system vs. the original intent of the founders' design for a constitutional democratic republic...

if = 1, then I'm 1000000000000% in that camp ... even as a simple 'layman', it would surprise me if you saw it differently from the position of the 'ordained'..

taking it out on "lawyers" is essentially the residual impact of such ... that's just bbs smack talk, tanq-0-rang ... "cya in court, honey." ...

Stink ---

My take is that the 2nd sentence is too broad.

Because of lawyers, like yourself, a whole smorgasbord of folks who dont like him who just want something, anything done to him for political reasons.

My take on the NY issue follows my general take overall.

I *would* like to see Trump get tagged. I believe he is a con man, a grifter, a person so infatuated with himself and the quest of power that he would do extreme things for it, and/or to hold onto it.

While I might want him to get tagged, I dont think tagging him simply to 'tag him' doesnt do anyone any good, nor does it do our society here much good.

If he does get tagged, it really shouldnt be for a felony ginned up from a misdemeanor based on a hush money issue paid to a porn star.

Typically, folk who dont do wrong things dont end up with armies of attorneys. Folk who tend to run in the 'edge of the legal' waters tend to end up with the armies of attorneys. People who tend to run at that edge also tend to attract all sorts of legal issues --- some deserved and some not. The closer you are to the edge there, the more 'not deserved' stuff gets sent that way.

My point is that somehow all the people donating to Trump and his campaign are the ones paying for the (probably) 5-10 million monthly that Trump shells out given the numbers of issues and numbers of attorneys per issue.

If they think that is a great thing to donate to/ for -- hey, they are free to do with their money as they see fit. Free country and all that jazz.

Im doing a pro bono issue for a guy that kind of needs a bit of help. Kind of a normal joe that I have zero issue extending some effort for. Owns a small house, diligent about stuff -- and during our time together I have found out he has donated to Trump a *lot*. And he could actually use the dough himself.

My question is -- why is Trump, a self proclaimed billionaire, who rides in a 757 that he owns, and that has 24 kt. gold seat belt hardware, and 24 kt. gold sinks -- why in the *fk* is he not using his money to pay the attorneys, and why is it expected that this guy, among many others like him, are paying for that?

(03-31-2023 09:00 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:50 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:40 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  While I understand it's very easy to get down at times over things...I don't believe this one iota.

QFT.

First off, I don't believe he'll ever be found guilty of a felony on this. It's all bluster.

Second off, the Georgia trial looks like his biggest chance of anything significant happening.

At the end of the day, the political pendulum will swing back wildly. The more the democrats do to disenfranchise voters, the more people who will switch sides. But they need a candidate they can believe in. DJT has so much baggage that he isn't the person.

Personally I wish the Republicans would stop pushing people who have so many skeletons in their closet that they make it easy for the Democrats. Trump probably had/has more skeletons than any candidate in presidential history. And how any moral and/or religious person can vote for a man with zero morals is beyond me... he is an adulterer and a liar at minimum, and quite likely much worse.

But then again, anyone who actually wants to be President is probably mentally deranged anyway.

He fights for us. King David committed adultery & murdered a bunch of people as well in response to it; the Bible is full of figures that made mistakes & describes their mistakes as sinful, but God still uses them anyways. It's that simple.

You are presenting a false dichotomy by implying that no other Republican would fight for us. DeSantis would fight for us. Probably most other potential Republican candidates would, too. So, if given a choice of a high chance at electing a Republican, any Republican, instead of a low chance of electing Donald Trump in the General election, you're actually giving Biden a much greater chance of reelection if you push for Trump, while not necessarily increasing your odds of having a President who will "fight for us".

(03-31-2023 09:09 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:00 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  He fights for us. King David committed adultery & murdered a bunch of people as well in response to it; the Bible is full of figures that made mistakes & describes their mistakes as sinful, but God still uses them anyways. It's that simple.

I personally cannot vote for a man of such low character.

I would, and I could, but I'd need a really strong reason. And the Republican Party has plenty of viable alternatives to Trump. If he gets the nomination and we end up with 4 more years of Biden or some other Democrat, than it's time for Republicans to look in the mirror and decide to try to actually win some elections.

However, I don't think he'll get the Republican nomination. I've predicted for some time now that Trump will lose the Republican nomination b/c he won't agree to back another Republican if he loses the primary, and that will turn off a lot of voters. He'll then come up with some excuse to run as an independent in the general election (perhaps he'll claim voter fraud again without evidence, perhaps something else), splitting the Republican vote and handing the Democrats another 4 years.

The Republican Party has more to gain from a mortally wounded (politically) Trump than the Democrats do. The Democrats don't need a coherent policy when they can just point at all the dumb stuff Trump gets up to, he turns off so many voters that it's hard for the Dems to lose. But if Trump is unable to run at all b/c he's in jail, the Republicans will both be able to claim the moral high ground (political persecution!) and also be able to nominate somebody with a good chance at winning a typical election. A good candidate who would do well in a neutral environment could very well lead to a Republican landslide in 2024 if they have the favorable winds at their back that I expect them to have. 55-60 Senate seats, 350 in the House, more state Trifectas...they could absolutely crush the Democrats.

(03-31-2023 09:09 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:00 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  He fights for us. King David committed adultery & murdered a bunch of people as well in response to it; the Bible is full of figures that made mistakes & describes their mistakes as sinful, but God still uses them anyways. It's that simple.

I personally cannot vote for a man of such low character.

I can, as the lesser of evils, when his opponent is a man of even lower character.

Like the Big Guy who gets 10%.

But in Texas, the election is unlikely to be close enough to matter, so I can freely express my displeasure with both by doing what I usually do and voting Libertarian.

(04-01-2023 12:21 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:09 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:00 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  He fights for us. King David committed adultery & murdered a bunch of people as well in response to it; the Bible is full of figures that made mistakes & describes their mistakes as sinful, but God still uses them anyways. It's that simple.

I personally cannot vote for a man of such low character.

I would, and I could, but I'd need a really strong reason. And the Republican Party has plenty of viable alternatives to Trump. If he gets the nomination and we end up with 4 more years of Biden or some other Democrat, than it's time for Republicans to look in the mirror and decide to try to actually win some elections.

However, I don't think he'll get the Republican nomination. I've predicted for some time now that Trump will lose the Republican nomination b/c he won't agree to back another Republican if he loses the primary, and that will turn off a lot of voters. He'll then come up with some excuse to run as an independent in the general election (perhaps he'll claim voter fraud again without evidence, perhaps something else), splitting the Republican vote and handing the Democrats another 4 years.

The Republican Party has more to gain from a mortally wounded (politically) Trump than the Democrats do. The Democrats don't need a coherent policy when they can just point at all the dumb stuff Trump gets up to, he turns off so many voters that it's hard for the Dems to lose. But if Trump is unable to run at all b/c he's in jail, the Republicans will both be able to claim the moral high ground (political persecution!) and also be able to nominate somebody with a good chance at winning a typical election. A good candidate who would do well in a neutral environment could very well lead to a Republican landslide in 2024 if they have the favorable winds at their back that I expect them to have. 55-60 Senate seats, 350 in the House, more state Trifectas...they could absolutely crush the Democrats.

Well said imo.

Bump

Also the Marxists think it was never legit to begin w/

(03-31-2023 09:00 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:50 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:40 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  While I understand it's very easy to get down at times over things...I don't believe this one iota.

QFT.

First off, I don't believe he'll ever be found guilty of a felony on this. It's all bluster.

Second off, the Georgia trial looks like his biggest chance of anything significant happening.

At the end of the day, the political pendulum will swing back wildly. The more the democrats do to disenfranchise voters, the more people who will switch sides. But they need a candidate they can believe in. DJT has so much baggage that he isn't the person.

Personally I wish the Republicans would stop pushing people who have so many skeletons in their closet that they make it easy for the Democrats. Trump probably had/has more skeletons than any candidate in presidential history. And how any moral and/or religious person can vote for a man with zero morals is beyond me... he is an adulterer and a liar at minimum, and quite likely much worse.

But then again, anyone who actually wants to be President is probably mentally deranged anyway.

He fights for us. King David committed adultery & murdered a bunch of people as well in response to it; the Bible is full of figures that made mistakes & describes their mistakes as sinful, but God still uses them anyways. It's that simple.

Well said.

I've done plenty of sinful, immoral things at times in my past. I try to live my life to a higher standard now and hope that none of my past actions caused too much pain for anyone. Who I was then is not the person I am now.